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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,675 Views)
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For obvious reasons, let's knock the allegations on the head please.

Thanks.
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In view of Idyllwilds post.

Mine was just after that and criticised the false and unfounded allegation made previously.
Edited by Hoops For Me All The Way, 19 Apr 2016, 01:24 PM.
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Hearing Lawwell has been offered the Sunderland CEO job, not heard if he is going to accept it though however I imagine he will.
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Hearing Lawwell has been offered the Sunderland CEO job, not heard if he is going to accept it though however I imagine he will.
I posted on here a good while back that he did not give a flying fig about Celtic. He probably did at one time but that was a long time ago. It really eats away at me to see how wealthy he is becoming as our club fades away. He will walk away one day and I believe he will never set foot in Celtic Park again. I'm long gone from Glasgow so I plead to everyone protest in every way you can. You are the people who can bring change. But do not focus on the manager. Your ire should be directed at the red and blue tories at the top.
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We have a charitable tradition which is stil continued and going strong in the current set up, all this stuff about unionists and tories is a load of complete guff.
Say what you want about unioninsm. I didn't allude to that, though I do find it to be a particularly stupid belief to hold, but that's besides the point.

Charities don't make up for the ideology that members of the board buy into. The charities are there to fight against the consequences of such a selfish ideology. In fact, the ideology of the board makes charities necessary.

Every club has a charity, but they don't all have Celtic's roots. Celtic just act like we're different and use the history to punt us DVDs, but our actions speak louder than words and our actions are hurting the people we were supposed to protect. Saying the Celtic charity makes up for having tories that cause poverty is like pushing someone out in the cold and saying it's fine because you gave them a hat.

We were founded to fight poverty but do more to cause it now.
The club does more to cause poverty than it does to fight it?

Utter rubbish. A board member voting for austerity in his private life has nothing to do with what the club - as a seperate entity - does.

I'm no fan of guys like Bankier but this is just emotive guff.
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Say what you want about unioninsm. I didn't allude to that, though I do find it to be a particularly stupid belief to hold, but that's besides the point.

Charities don't make up for the ideology that members of the board buy into. The charities are there to fight against the consequences of such a selfish ideology. In fact, the ideology of the board makes charities necessary.

Every club has a charity, but they don't all have Celtic's roots. Celtic just act like we're different and use the history to punt us DVDs, but our actions speak louder than words and our actions are hurting the people we were supposed to protect. Saying the Celtic charity makes up for having tories that cause poverty is like pushing someone out in the cold and saying it's fine because you gave them a hat.

We were founded to fight poverty but do more to cause it now.
The club does more to cause poverty than it does to fight it?

Utter rubbish. A board member voting for austerity in his private life has nothing to do with what the club - as a seperate entity - does.

I'm no fan of guys like Bankier but this is just emotive guff.
What about the fact there is a board member helping to push through Government policy on austerity in his public life and using Celtic's name whilst he's doing it?
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The club does more to cause poverty than it does to fight it?

Utter rubbish. A board member voting for austerity in his private life has nothing to do with what the club - as a seperate entity - does.

I'm no fan of guys like Bankier but this is just emotive guff.
What about the fact there is a board member helping to push through Government policy on austerity in his public life and using Celtic's name whilst he's doing it?
I'm sorry, was he wearing a Celtic top when he voted in the House of Lords or something?

The guy's a Tory stooge but that has nothing to do with the assertion that the club (i.e. the legal entity) hurts the poor more than it helps them.
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18 Apr 2016, 05:12 PM

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I see that the Edinburgh schools are still out!

See all this "unionist" crap - shove it where the sun don't shine :thumbsup:

Perhaps your maths is as poor as your English but the people of Scotland in a free and fair referendum voted 55 to 45%

Willie Maley thought very highly of Queen Victoria - should he be erased from our history too?

CFC is about football - anything else is simply your opinion.

The board has many failings - their politics isn't one of them

CFC open to all or only open to all who share your narrow beliefs?
If you know yer history and all that.

Celtic is definitely more than about football. Maybe not to you, and I don't say that to demean you or say you're not fan, but Celtic means a lot, lot more than just football to many people and you can't tell them otherwise.

The ideology of the board is what's putting/put the city, and Celtic park's immediate surroundings into sickening levels of poverty. They don't care, but Brother Walfrid did. We need higher standards.
"The ideology of the board is what's putting/put the city, and Celtic park's immediate surroundings into sickening levels of poverty."

Bollocks. Celtic Park's immediate surroundings have been a kazy since the 80s and still would be had it not been for the club's investment.

The idea that the board of a minor AIM listed company is any way a contributor to systemic poverty in Glasgow or anywhere else is just laughable.
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If you know yer history and all that.

Celtic is definitely more than about football. Maybe not to you, and I don't say that to demean you or say you're not fan, but Celtic means a lot, lot more than just football to many people and you can't tell them otherwise.

The ideology of the board is what's putting/put the city, and Celtic park's immediate surroundings into sickening levels of poverty. They don't care, but Brother Walfrid did. We need higher standards.
"The ideology of the board is what's putting/put the city, and Celtic park's immediate surroundings into sickening levels of poverty."

Bollocks. Celtic Park's immediate surroundings have been a kazy since the 80s and still would be had it not been for the club's investment.

The idea that the board of a minor AIM listed company is any way a contributor to systemic poverty in Glasgow or anywhere else is just laughable.
So despite having Tory lords, who vote in legislation that devastates the poor, on the board, Celtic FC has nothing to do with it? As long as we have these people running our club and kicking up a fuss about paying their employees a wage they can live off of then the club is part of the problem.
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While Lawwell did a lot of good for this club the penny pinching has finally caught up with him and us...Yes we want to stay stable and had to be sensible since the crash in 2007 but the last few years have been a joke some of our signings have been dam right outrageous .

Peter if your reading maybe you could give us some sort of answers as to why this happened including the signing of Ronnie Delia???

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"The ideology of the board is what's putting/put the city, and Celtic park's immediate surroundings into sickening levels of poverty."

Bollocks. Celtic Park's immediate surroundings have been a kazy since the 80s and still would be had it not been for the club's investment.

The idea that the board of a minor AIM listed company is any way a contributor to systemic poverty in Glasgow or anywhere else is just laughable.
So despite having Tory lords, who vote in legislation that devastates the poor, on the board, Celtic FC has nothing to do with it? As long as we have these people running our club and kicking up a fuss about paying their employees a wage they can live off of then the club is part of the problem.
There is one Tory lord on the board out of seven directors. He is a non-exec so it's not like he's there day-to-day. He will sit on a few board meetings per year and he chairs the audit committee (probably because he has an accounting background). Before he was a Tory lord, he was chief exec of BT and FD of Dixons. He's on the board because he has a pretty stellar record in business, not because he votes for austerity (indeed, the Tories weren't even in power when he was appointed to the board).

What he votes on in the House of Lords has nothing to do with Celtic. The idea that Celtic as an institution contributes to systemic poverty in Glasgow is nonsense, even taking account of the unfortunate stance on the living wage.
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What about the fact there is a board member helping to push through Government policy on austerity in his public life and using Celtic's name whilst he's doing it?
I'm sorry, was he wearing a Celtic top when he voted in the House of Lords or something?

The guy's a Tory stooge but that has nothing to do with the assertion that the club (i.e. the legal entity) hurts the poor more than it helps them.
What's his title in the House?
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I'm sorry, was he wearing a Celtic top when he voted in the House of Lords or something?

The guy's a Tory stooge but that has nothing to do with the assertion that the club (i.e. the legal entity) hurts the poor more than it helps them.
What's his title in the House?
:lol: It's not like he had to get the club's permission to call himself Lord Livingston of Parkhead. His family has links to the area, which is probably why he picked it.
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So despite having Tory lords, who vote in legislation that devastates the poor, on the board, Celtic FC has nothing to do with it? As long as we have these people running our club and kicking up a fuss about paying their employees a wage they can live off of then the club is part of the problem.
There is one Tory lord on the board out of seven directors. He is a non-exec so it's not like he's there day-to-day. He will sit on a few board meetings per year and he chairs the audit committee (probably because he has an accounting background). Before he was a Tory lord, he was chief exec of BT and FD of Dixons. He's on the board because he has a pretty stellar record in business, not because he votes for austerity (indeed, the Tories weren't even in power when he was appointed to the board).

What he votes on in the House of Lords has nothing to do with Celtic. The idea that Celtic as an institution contributes to systemic poverty in Glasgow is nonsense, even taking account of the unfortunate stance on the living wage.
These guys are Celtic - they make our decisions and yet what they believe and what they vote for and do in the political world is the bane of any person on a low income, which is completely and utterly at odds with what the club, and most of its support, is supposed to be about. They represent Celtic and what they do politically is deplorable. So long as we're allowing them anywhere Celtic park we're at the very least showing an indifference to the club's principles.
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There is one Tory lord on the board out of seven directors. He is a non-exec so it's not like he's there day-to-day. He will sit on a few board meetings per year and he chairs the audit committee (probably because he has an accounting background). Before he was a Tory lord, he was chief exec of BT and FD of Dixons. He's on the board because he has a pretty stellar record in business, not because he votes for austerity (indeed, the Tories weren't even in power when he was appointed to the board).

What he votes on in the House of Lords has nothing to do with Celtic. The idea that Celtic as an institution contributes to systemic poverty in Glasgow is nonsense, even taking account of the unfortunate stance on the living wage.
These guys are Celtic - they make our decisions and yet what they believe and what they vote for and do in the political world is the bane of any person on a low income, which is completely and utterly at odds with what the club, and most of its support, is supposed to be about. They represent Celtic and what they do politically is deplorable. So long as we're allowing them anywhere Celtic park we're at the very least showing an indifference to the club's principles.
"These guys"... You're talking about one director on a board of seven who does not make day-to-day decisions. Iain Livingstone is no more Celtic than any other non-exec director (except Dermot Desmond who is more Celtic than all of the other directors and shareholders put together).

It's not to do with what "we" "allow". It's to do with who Dermot Desmond decides to appoint.

But my quibble is with your central point that the club has somehow contributed to systemic poverty in Glasgow. The club has not, even if one director did vote for austerity in a largely irrelevant vote in the House of Lords. That point is just pure sweaty baws. Celtic as an organisation does a damn sight more for the East End than any other private enterprise I can think of.
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What's his title in the House?
:lol: It's not like he had to get the club's permission to call himself Lord Livingston of Parkhead. His family has links to the area, which is probably why he picked it.
I'm not saying he required the club's permission. But I'm pretty sure such a successful and celebrated gentleman like himself knew exactly what he has doing. And the club used it as a PR opportunity, probably underlining how far a disconnect there is from the boardroom to a significant proportion of the fans.

If he has links to the Parkhead area and cares about it maybe he shouldn't be a Tory pumpkin?
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Hearing Lawwell has been offered the Sunderland CEO job, not heard if he is going to accept it though however I imagine he will.
I posted on here a good while back that he did not give a flying fig about Celtic. He probably did at one time but that was a long time ago.

Absolute rubbish!

You may passionately disagree with some / most / all of his stewardship of The Club (entirely your prerogative) but he passionately loves Celtic as much as anyone on this board ....
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Hearing Lawwell has been offered the Sunderland CEO job, not heard if he is going to accept it though however I imagine he will.
I posted on here a good while back that he did not give a flying fig about Celtic. He probably did at one time but that was a long time ago.

Absolute rubbish!

You may passionately disagree with some / most / all of his stewardship of The Club (entirely your prerogative) but he passionately loves Celtic as much as anyone on this board ....
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Hearing Lawwell has been offered the Sunderland CEO job, not heard if he is going to accept it though however I imagine he will.
I posted on here a good while back that he did not give a flying fig about Celtic. He probably did at one time but that was a long time ago.

Absolute rubbish!

You may passionately disagree with some / most / all of his stewardship of The Club (entirely your prerogative) but he passionately loves Celtic as much as anyone on this board ....
Strange way of demonstrating it recently.
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Hearing Lawwell has been offered the Sunderland CEO job, not heard if he is going to accept it though however I imagine he will.
I posted on here a good while back that he did not give a flying fig about Celtic. He probably did at one time but that was a long time ago.

Absolute rubbish!

You may passionately disagree with some / most / all of his stewardship of The Club (entirely your prerogative) but he passionately loves Celtic as much as anyone on this board ....
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