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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,680 Views)
El_Beachio
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Who the next manager is will give us a good indication on wether the board give a eff about the footballing side of the club and more importantly the fans. They can't take a punt here, and that includes drafting in ex players thinking the fans will settle for a club name.

Having said that, anyone other than Moyes I'll be disappointed. He's the ideal choice for me.
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Wanyerma
18 Apr 2016, 03:27 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 01:45 PM
Big_dave_greenock_1888
18 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
To think he was called the 'sharp suited man' by some at one point. Cringeworthy
To be fair he was doing a great job back then.
He wasn't. The non-signing of Fletcher for a few hundred grand was the writing on the wall.
and haggling over 500 grand for James McCarthy
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18 Apr 2016, 02:14 PM

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I suggest you read Strachan's biography :thumbsup:
There's an extract from it on here.
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As for the background to Desmond electing to plump for me as Martin’s replacement, all I know is that it was partly due to the recommendation of Eddie Jordan


Desmond did speak to Strachan on the back of Jordan's recommendation. So I presume WGS interviewed well :thumbsup:
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Corky Buczek
18 Apr 2016, 02:02 PM
Big Drew
18 Apr 2016, 01:45 PM
Big_dave_greenock_1888
18 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
To think he was called the 'sharp suited man' by some at one point. Cringeworthy
To be fair he was doing a great job back then.
Was he ?

We got a manager Strachan on the back of a recommendation by Eddie Jordan. Yes he signed JVoH and Gravesen (and I am NOT criticising him for the latter - we were all overjoyed at that signing) But the shirt and sponsorship deal that were much trumpeted were more hype than actually that brilliant.

It started to go wrong in the summer of 2008 when a disastrous transfer window ended up in us not strengthening when we could have buried Rangers a lot sooner than them falling apart. Then came January 2009 and Stephen Fletcher.

He cocked up the appointment of Owen Coyle and we ended up with Mowbray. After that mess came Lenny. After a very difficult 18 months, things got turned around but we then had to endure countless transfer window misery as "Moneyball Lawwell" thought that he could sign a couple of Wanyama's every window.

We walked away from Markus Henriksen over a couple of hundred grand (they wanted £1.75M for 20 yr old Norwegian international) and he is likely to leave AZ67 for £5M to Italy this summer - would be more if he wasn't going into the last year of his contract. Such negotiations are just symptomatic of his reign. look at money we have pi$$ed away on strikers.

Yes he did. He came in and got us some direction again. Stood up for us when we were under a lot of pressure from the SFA and SPL. Aye he made some mistakes, he wasnt perfect but after the idiots before him he was a breath of fresh air.
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QualityStreet1970
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henrikmc2
18 Apr 2016, 01:17 PM
dazabhoy67
18 Apr 2016, 12:55 PM
henrikmc2
18 Apr 2016, 12:50 PM
Sad truth is we have a bigger wage budget than PSV....Let that sink in, we have literally spunked money against a brick wall. The main problem is we have players on long term contract and decent wages that we wont be able to shift easily. Is someone gonna buy Scepovic, Ciftci, CKR, GMS, Boyata, Janko amongst others? For any new manager coming in, he will need to work with what he has, short term anyway. We all want a clear out, but unfortunately its not Champ Manager.... We need an overhaul of the scouting system..
PSV are Dutch last time I checked.

Holland has some of the best footballers in the world and their youth systems are renowned for producing talent, year on year, generation after generation.

To compare us to them is like comparing chalk and cheese. :thumbsup:
I disagree, they are a big club like us playing in a smaller league, if you look at the players they have signed, its easily players that we could have targeted. Yes, they have a very good youth system, but if your telling me that we cant even compete with a PSV Eindhoven who spend less on wages than us I would argue. Example, the signed Luuk De Jong for a minimal £2-£3 million pound fee after his moves to Germany and loan move at Newcastle didn't work out.. As well as targeting young players then have been smart is buying experience....Something we have failed badly at
It's absurd to discuss the two clubs' youth systems without first acknowledging that--for any number of underlying reasons--the talent pool in Holland is inherently superior to the one we have in Scotland. That's the brutal reality of the situation. Stephen Fletcher is one of the few Scottish players out there who would have improved the Celtic team if we'd signed him. We have more or less had our choice of the best young Scottish talent for some time now, and the current squad features the biggest Scottish contingent we've had for what, 15? Painful as it is to admit it, they're just not up to the task of competing in Europe. Depressing but true.

Somebody mentioned Porto. Portugal is comparable to Holland when it comes to native talent; and they also have access to Brazilian players.
Edited by QualityStreet1970, 18 Apr 2016, 03:45 PM.
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18 Apr 2016, 03:27 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 01:45 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
To think he was called the 'sharp suited man' by some at one point. Cringeworthy
To be fair he was doing a great job back then.
He wasn't. The non-signing of Fletcher for a few hundred grand was the writing on the wall.
Fletcher went for nearly 4m? You mean an extra few hundred? :ponder:
He has done well in the market in general, got us top dollar for players, including a few duds. The problem is whoever is picking the players in the last few years. Lack of transparency means we don't know, Park looks a likelier suspect than Lawwell though, even though with Lawwell's continued blessing obviously.
We need to sell to the EPL, no issue there. We now have nothing to sell though, so the plan is coming unstuck.
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QualityStreet1970
18 Apr 2016, 03:44 PM
henrikmc2
18 Apr 2016, 01:17 PM
dazabhoy67
18 Apr 2016, 12:55 PM

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I disagree, they are a big club like us playing in a smaller league, if you look at the players they have signed, its easily players that we could have targeted. Yes, they have a very good youth system, but if your telling me that we cant even compete with a PSV Eindhoven who spend less on wages than us I would argue. Example, the signed Luuk De Jong for a minimal £2-£3 million pound fee after his moves to Germany and loan move at Newcastle didn't work out.. As well as targeting young players then have been smart is buying experience....Something we have failed badly at
It's absurd to discuss the two clubs' youth systems without first acknowledging that--for any number of underlying reasons--the talent pool in Holland is inherently superior to the one we have in Scotland. That's the brutal reality of the situation. Stephen Fletcher is one of the few Scottish players out there who would have improved the Celtic team if we'd signed him. We have more or less had our choice of the best young Scottish talent for some time now, and the current squad features the biggest Scottish contingent we've had for what, 15? Painful as it is to admit it, they're just not up to the task of competing in Europe. Depressing but true.

Somebody mentioned Porto. Portugal is comparable to Holland when it comes to native talent; and they also have access to Brazilian players.
Another complete straw man. Porto have 'access' to Brasilians in the sense they share a common language and the weather in Portugal is probably nicer than Scotland. The work permit issue is a total squirrel. We could get a work permit for almost anyone we signed.
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lenobhoy
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Corky Buczek
18 Apr 2016, 02:02 PM
Big Drew
18 Apr 2016, 01:45 PM
Big_dave_greenock_1888
18 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
To think he was called the 'sharp suited man' by some at one point. Cringeworthy
To be fair he was doing a great job back then.
Was he ?

We got a manager Strachan on the back of a recommendation by Eddie Jordan. Yes he signed JVoH and Gravesen (and I am NOT criticising him for the latter - we were all overjoyed at that signing) But the shirt and sponsorship deal that were much trumpeted were more hype than actually that brilliant.

It started to go wrong in the summer of 2008 when a disastrous transfer window ended up in us not strengthening when we could have buried Rangers a lot sooner than them falling apart. Then came January 2009 and Stephen Fletcher.

He cocked up the appointment of Owen Coyle and we ended up with Mowbray. After that mess came Lenny. After a very difficult 18 months, things got turned around but we then had to endure countless transfer window misery as "Moneyball Lawwell" thought that he could sign a couple of Wanyama's every window.

We walked away from Markus Henriksen over a couple of hundred grand (they wanted £1.75M for 20 yr old Norwegian international) and he is likely to leave AZ67 for £5M to Italy this summer - would be more if he wasn't going into the last year of his contract. Such negotiations are just symptomatic of his reign. look at money we have pi$$ed away on strikers.

Strachan wasn't a manager but a coach and we've not had a manager since MON left. Since then Lawwell & Park have been the main men bringing in footballers some of whom have never seen first team acation. Think of the players foisted upon Strachan, Mowbray, Lennon and now Delia and ye have to wonder if any manager would have brought them in.
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wigwam
18 Apr 2016, 03:47 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 03:27 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 01:45 PM

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He wasn't. The non-signing of Fletcher for a few hundred grand was the writing on the wall.
Fletcher went for nearly 4m? You mean an extra few hundred? :ponder:
He has done well in the market in general, got us top dollar for players, including a few duds. The problem is whoever is picking the players in the last few years. Lack of transparency means we don't know, Park looks a likelier suspect than Lawwell though, even though with Lawwell's continued blessing obviously.
We need to sell to the EPL, no issue there. We now have nothing to sell though, so the plan is coming unstuck.
We could have got him in January that year if we'd pushed the boat out a little. Hibs needed a decent sum for him is all, to save face with their fans. He left that summer for the EPL for 3m+
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So they've said nicht.

They should have said something, pretty much anything. Hell they could have come out and said that getting humped out of the cup against a lower league club was totally unacceptable, that they were addressing it and it would have been something but instead of that nothing. That's kind of treating the support with contempt.

I always thought they should give him or any manager an extended chance, some of them need a couple of seasons to get a team built and playing the way they want. There were signs of hope at the tail end of last season but this ones been an unremitting failure from start to finish. We started with any bright signs from last year extinguished and it's managed to continue on a gradual downward trajectory from that lowish point.

After Europe they should have been looking at other options, they really should have been lining up something then and at this point they should have been ready to do something, pretty much anything. The fact that they haven't kind of takes out the 'well run club' bit of the discussion because we're now at a point where continuing with the management team they have is going to have an adverse effect beyond the loss of another cup and the revenue from that in lower ticket and merchandise sales.

The decent players we have (and they're there) aint playing as they should and that's largely down to the management, the dross we've signed is down to the management, scouts and executive. The lot of them and the fact that they apparently don't have a clue what they're going to do about it is down to the board.

People hand over a significant amount of their earnings to the club to provide a product that in some manner meets their expectations. At the moment it's so far below that it's laughable and looking back as far as the early 70's this is as bad as I can actually remember it being. Some of you probably disagree but for me there was always one bright spark in there, a glimmer of hope that something would happen, this is just unremittingly dour.

..... as they sit silent.
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18 Apr 2016, 04:25 PM
So they've said nicht.

They should have said something, pretty much anything. Hell they could have come out and said that getting humped out of the cup against a lower league club was totally unacceptable, that they were addressing it and it would have been something but instead of that nothing. That's kind of treating the support with contempt.

I always thought they should give him or any manager an extended chance, some of them need a couple of seasons to get a team built and playing the way they want. There were signs of hope at the tail end of last season but this ones been an unremitting failure from start to finish. We started with any bright signs from last year extinguished and it's managed to continue on a gradual downward trajectory from that lowish point.

After Europe they should have been looking at other options, they really should have been lining up something then and at this point they should have been ready to do something, pretty much anything. The fact that they haven't kind of takes out the 'well run club' bit of the discussion because we're now at a point where continuing with the management team they have is going to have an adverse effect beyond the loss of another cup and the revenue from that in lower ticket and merchandise sales.

The decent players we have (and they're there) aint playing as they should and that's largely down to the management, the dross we've signed is down to the management, scouts and executive. The lot of them and the fact that they apparently don't have a clue what they're going to do about it is down to the board.

People hand over a significant amount of their earnings to the club to provide a product that in some manner meets their expectations. At the moment it's so far below that it's laughable and looking back as far as the early 70's this is as bad as I can actually remember it being. Some of you probably disagree but for me there was always one bright spark in there, a glimmer of hope that something would happen, this is just unremittingly dour.

..... as they sit silent.
It's as low a period I can remember since the early 90's and I say that fully aware we will win the league again.

The sheer contempt the board seem to have for the fans now is quite appalling.

As you say, the fact no statement has been made with regards to what happened yesterday is shocking.

I've never felt so detached from the people running the club,and that even includes the Kelly/Whyte era.

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Well its 24 hours on and the anger is still the same. Then to not even come out and say anything is bordering on disgusting. They are hiding, hoping it will calm down after a few days. Well the board of directors are in for a rude awakening if they even are considering this. They are now gambling on keeping the manager in place till the end of the season in the hope we creep over the line. The lack of communication is a major problem at Celtic at its time to come out and speak.
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We're in a massive ditch without a ladder. That is the fault of the shower of bastards who are running our club.
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aldo
18 Apr 2016, 03:11 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 03:01 PM
aldo
18 Apr 2016, 02:20 PM
Lawwell might have signed the documents but it was Martin O'Neill reigniting the club's international profile by taking us to Seville that secured the Nike deal. Sponsors want to get involved with clubs that win things and win things a lot; they're not interested in teaming up with clubs that are 'well run' as businesses but rubbish at football.
So you think being badly run but being good at football is more important?
You are one of the few posters on here who could derive that bizarrely obscure, wildy inappropriate assertion from my post. Well done.
So, no then.
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I actually don't think we're in too bad of a state. Despite their obvious failings we've got a collection of players with individual talent. The current diddy in charge clearly can't get the best out of them, but the next guy might. We've seen most of this squad play better than they are right now. Deila's a bit of a Jonah, if someone inspiring replaces him then who knows.
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The Board are left trying to sell season tickets at a time when they cannot publicly admit they can't afford to recruit a manager of any standing.

The latter impacts the former. So you'll never hear anyone from the club proclaim in an official capacity that they can't afford to recruit a manager like Moyes in the current climate, as it is effectively an admission that we, and by extension Scottish football, is a bit tinpot and irrelevant. So why would you buy a £600 season book?

Nevertheless, these are likely the facts. Instead of say anything therefore, they'll announce season book renewal details, hope the team go on to win the League in the two or three weeks, and then announce Deila will be gone ahead of the last league game.

Fanfare will then accompany the new arrival days later, despite the fact he will almost certainly not be of the calibre most appear to be expecting or hoping for. They'll struggle to eke out 40k season ticket renewals, and we'll make as few waves in the transfer market as we have in recruiting the new manager.

I would be amazed if this is not what May to August looks like for Celtic FC.

Scottish football, ourselves included, represents the slow lane for the foreseeable future.
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Give us a manager, a budget and a squad to carry us on to 10 in a row and CL qualification.

Otherwise we'd be as well shutting up shop.
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18 Apr 2016, 04:42 PM
I actually don't think we're in too bad of a state. Despite their obvious failings we've got a collection of players with individual talent. The current diddy in charge clearly can't get the best out of them, but the next guy might. We've seen most of this squad play better than they are right now. Deila's a bit of a Jonah, if someone inspiring replaces him then who knows.
I disagree.

I've not seen a majority of a team in such a big derby game so spineless, so lacking in bottle and so easily beaten.

Majority of guys haven't got the heart and should be punted, along with the manager and most of the board.
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kewlcelt
18 Apr 2016, 04:45 PM
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18 Apr 2016, 04:42 PM
I actually don't think we're in too bad of a state. Despite their obvious failings we've got a collection of players with individual talent. The current diddy in charge clearly can't get the best out of them, but the next guy might. We've seen most of this squad play better than they are right now. Deila's a bit of a Jonah, if someone inspiring replaces him then who knows.
I disagree.

I've not seen a majority of a team in such a big derby game so spineless, so lacking in bottle and so easily beaten.

Majority of guys haven't got the heart and should be punted, along with the manager and most of the board.
You are lucky you never saw us at Ibrox under Dalglish then.
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18 Apr 2016, 04:47 PM
kewlcelt
18 Apr 2016, 04:45 PM
Smiley
18 Apr 2016, 04:42 PM
I actually don't think we're in too bad of a state. Despite their obvious failings we've got a collection of players with individual talent. The current diddy in charge clearly can't get the best out of them, but the next guy might. We've seen most of this squad play better than they are right now. Deila's a bit of a Jonah, if someone inspiring replaces him then who knows.
I disagree.

I've not seen a majority of a team in such a big derby game so spineless, so lacking in bottle and so easily beaten.

Majority of guys haven't got the heart and should be punted, along with the manager and most of the board.
You are lucky you never saw us at Ibrox under Dalglish then.
I did, and this is worse because we shouldn't be in this position.

It's uncharted territory having a four year free run at the league, and we've effed it up royally.

We've turned the best position of potential strength any club has ever been handed and pissed it up the wall.

Guys running our club should be ashamed of themselves. Truly ashamed.

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