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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,683 Views)
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kearnsy
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18 Apr 2016, 10:46 AM
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laughed on Friday celtic pools rang me to see if I would re engage with them told them why because the money isn't being invested in the team the guy didn't deny that he was getting a fair amount of flac
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hailhailceltic
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18 Apr 2016, 10:49 AM
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- M1K3Y89
- 18 Apr 2016, 10:42 AM
Just woke up.
He still here? You not heard anything? If we lost against Morton in the cup he was looking at the sack, IMO yesterday was even worse. He has to go now.
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18 Apr 2016, 10:53 AM
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- hailhailceltic
- 18 Apr 2016, 10:49 AM
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- 18 Apr 2016, 10:42 AM
Just woke up.
He still here?
You not heard anything? If we lost against Morton in the cup he was looking at the sack, IMO yesterday was even worse. He has to go now. No mate.
Just turned my phone on
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18 Apr 2016, 11:03 AM
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Sutton says the fans have deserted the club. Sorry mate, but it's the other way round.
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Lobey Dosser
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18 Apr 2016, 11:09 AM
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- 18 Apr 2016, 09:20 AM
Any more word on Desmonds son or his daughter or his pet hound or whoever it is this week, taking over the reins from him? Allegedly, they are gonna have a very hands (or paws) on approach Hilarious.
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18 Apr 2016, 11:16 AM
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The worst thing the board has managed to do is get me to the point where I'm not even that bothered.
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18 Apr 2016, 11:16 AM
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Just effing put us out our misery Pete and sack the bastard. And then sack yourself. How he has been allowed to repeatedly place mug's bets on players with our money I will never know. We will be paying for them for a long time just like after Allan MacDonald's time at the helm. But we can manage that providing we have hope. At the moment I have none left.
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18 Apr 2016, 11:43 AM
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- 18 Apr 2016, 10:40 AM
I would encourage my fellow supporter to think very long and hard about investing their hard earned into the club at the moment - be it souvenir key fobs, whatever.
Can we be agreed that we are just customers to 'the custodians'? If you are happy to give your money to 'the custodians', that you trust them to look after it and do what is right, then fair does.
I'll always love Celtic but I'm not going to have a straw inserted into my back and be drained dry of lifeforce.
These things go in cycles usually, dont they Pete - remind me where we are on that graph? My thoughts exactly
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18 Apr 2016, 11:49 AM
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- Ned Rise
- 18 Apr 2016, 10:18 AM
Don't think there's any doubt that the club has been mismanaged by the board, letting slip an incredible opportunity through reckless gambling.
Yesterday's result has been a long time coming. It might be shocking, but it's not really surprising. We have consistently failed against teams that we should beat. The surprising thing is the amount of unwavering confidence going into yesterday's match. I said at the time of the draw that Deila should be gone way before this match even took place. Such is the way of football fans though, thinking with my heart and not my head also led me to the contradictory belief that Celtic would win by a couple of goals. A fool and his money are easy parted.
Football being the game it is, any team can win on any given day against supposedly better opposition. Celtic have been the underdogs for much of our history, yet we have overcome the odds to achieve great success. The question then is why it shouldn't be possible for Rangers in a one-off game or Aberdeen in the next five to do a similar thing. We owe the manager nothing. We didn't owe him 'a double' before he sailed off into the neverending Norwegian sunset, with a 'can't believe I got away with it' smile on his face and healthy pay off. Similarly, we don't owe him a farewell title party. It's this kind of complacency that in part led to yesterday's result.
That's aside from watching a team which has no discernible style, or shape to their play. I don't see a team at work and haven't for a long time. The notion that we're a high-tempo, fast-passing, high-pressing team can be destroyed by people like myself who have limited tactical awareness: We do not play at a high tempo; Our passing and movement is laboured and erratic into the bargain; We do not press teams any more noticeably than any other team in the league. Aside from the results, the fundamentals have been utterly lacking, not just in the games that have cost us trophies, qualification and tens of millions of pounds, but in the rest of the time, where the attendances have been falling through the floor.
Deila was an experiment that went wrong. It was evident that he didn't have what it took from the word go. This time last year, I did think that my initial assessment was incorrect, but it was again clear after Malmo that he should have been booted out. We would have been spared the inept attempts in the Europa League, the close-run league race, and yesterday's dismal defeat.
It's unforgivable that this has been allowed to rumble on for two years. It's worse to think that this is part of a policy of managing lowered expectations that has gone on for far longer. Celtic hasn't operated as a club that has wanted to build a football team for years now. It's all about the money and while it's obviously a difficult place to operate, continually gambling on cheap duds and your luck will run out sometime. If we're supposed to be built on the Ajax template, it evidently doesn't work for us. Maybe that's why we're now signing the likes of CKR and Calton Cole, because we've just thrown in the towel on the 'model'.
The board needs a shake up in the summer. Lawwell has got fat as the club has got thin. Right now though, Deila has to go before he causes one last catastrophe, which would a far more humiliating experience than yesterday's result. If we end up going into the Aberdeen match as a must-win game, then we will lose that match. We can't take the chance. Put it another way, Hibs would probably have beaten us yesterday too, and wouldn't have needed the penalties.
As for Sevco, yes, they'll be rubbing it in, and they're entitled to. But while yesterday was a dark day and should signal major changes at the club, that happens from time to time at every club. They, however, have suffered four years of utter humiliation on a scale incomparable to what Celtic went through yesterday. They were liquidated, had the Mob using their zombie shell as a money laundering operation, reneged on all of their bills, relied on dodgy penalties to draw with the might of Albion Rovers at Ibrox, developed 'rivalries' with teams full of butchers and traffic wardens, and won trophies so tinpot that most professional clubs in the league aren't allowed to compete in them. Let them laugh, because anyone can win a game of football against the odds, but we can't all get into a frenzy about a chance to put Alloa Athletic in their place.
That is right up my street Ned, good post.
Only thing to add is a complete overall of the expensive "scouting" team that we have in place - while I accept that currently consists of Lawwell, Park & Lawwells preferred agent of choice - it clearly isn't working. The moneyball ethos must be scrapped it has taken us to lows on the playing field (in terms of quality) not seen since the dark days of Macari.
Over the past 4 -5 years Lawwell has systematically stripped the playing squad of quality to ensure his gross bonus - that in itself is a massive scandal. He needs to be hunted from the place asap.
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Quiet Assasin
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18 Apr 2016, 11:56 AM
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- Winds of Change CSC
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- Ned Rise
- 18 Apr 2016, 10:18 AM
Don't think there's any doubt that the club has been mismanaged by the board, letting slip an incredible opportunity through reckless gambling.
Yesterday's result has been a long time coming. It might be shocking, but it's not really surprising. We have consistently failed against teams that we should beat. The surprising thing is the amount of unwavering confidence going into yesterday's match. I said at the time of the draw that Deila should be gone way before this match even took place. Such is the way of football fans though, thinking with my heart and not my head also led me to the contradictory belief that Celtic would win by a couple of goals. A fool and his money are easy parted.
Football being the game it is, any team can win on any given day against supposedly better opposition. Celtic have been the underdogs for much of our history, yet we have overcome the odds to achieve great success. The question then is why it shouldn't be possible for Rangers in a one-off game or Aberdeen in the next five to do a similar thing. We owe the manager nothing. We didn't owe him 'a double' before he sailed off into the neverending Norwegian sunset, with a 'can't believe I got away with it' smile on his face and healthy pay off. Similarly, we don't owe him a farewell title party. It's this kind of complacency that in part led to yesterday's result.
That's aside from watching a team which has no discernible style, or shape to their play. I don't see a team at work and haven't for a long time. The notion that we're a high-tempo, fast-passing, high-pressing team can be destroyed by people like myself who have limited tactical awareness: We do not play at a high tempo; Our passing and movement is laboured and erratic into the bargain; We do not press teams any more noticeably than any other team in the league. Aside from the results, the fundamentals have been utterly lacking, not just in the games that have cost us trophies, qualification and tens of millions of pounds, but in the rest of the time, where the attendances have been falling through the floor.
Deila was an experiment that went wrong. It was evident that he didn't have what it took from the word go. This time last year, I did think that my initial assessment was incorrect, but it was again clear after Malmo that he should have been booted out. We would have been spared the inept attempts in the Europa League, the close-run league race, and yesterday's dismal defeat.
It's unforgivable that this has been allowed to rumble on for two years. It's worse to think that this is part of a policy of managing lowered expectations that has gone on for far longer. Celtic hasn't operated as a club that has wanted to build a football team for years now. It's all about the money and while it's obviously a difficult place to operate, continually gambling on cheap duds and your luck will run out sometime. If we're supposed to be built on the Ajax template, it evidently doesn't work for us. Maybe that's why we're now signing the likes of CKR and Calton Cole, because we've just thrown in the towel on the 'model'.
The board needs a shake up in the summer. Lawwell has got fat as the club has got thin. Right now though, Deila has to go before he causes one last catastrophe, which would a far more humiliating experience than yesterday's result. If we end up going into the Aberdeen match as a must-win game, then we will lose that match. We can't take the chance. Put it another way, Hibs would probably have beaten us yesterday too, and wouldn't have needed the penalties.
As for Sevco, yes, they'll be rubbing it in, and they're entitled to. But while yesterday was a dark day and should signal major changes at the club, that happens from time to time at every club. They, however, have suffered four years of utter humiliation on a scale incomparable to what Celtic went through yesterday. They were liquidated, had the Mob using their zombie shell as a money laundering operation, reneged on all of their bills, relied on dodgy penalties to draw with the might of Albion Rovers at Ibrox, developed 'rivalries' with teams full of butchers and traffic wardens, and won trophies so tinpot that most professional clubs in the league aren't allowed to compete in them. Let them laugh, because anyone can win a game of football against the odds, but we can't all get into a frenzy about a chance to put Alloa Athletic in their place. That is right up my street Ned, good post. Only thing to add is a complete overall of the expensive "scouting" team that we have in place - while I accept that currently consists of Lawwell, Park & Lawwells preferred agent of choice - it clearly isn't working. The moneyball ethos must be scrapped it has taken us to lows on the playing field (in terms of quality) not seen since the dark days of Macari. Over the past 4 -5 years Lawwell has systematically stripped the playing squad of quality to ensure his gross bonus - that in itself is a massive scandal. He needs to be hunted from the place asap. His bonus is safe regardless of what happens on the pitch. We could lose the league and he'll still trouser it. He'd maybe defer it again to save a bit of face but he's still get it.
Peter Lawwell is obviously not signing bad players on purpose. If you look at the players on paper then they probably mostly make sense. Even the likes of Kazim-Richards... A Turkey international who has played for numerous big clubs for free? Aye. That'll do. Way back there have been punts which are fine on paper. Edson Brawfheid...Dutch international left back who plays for Bayern Munich? Aye. Makes sense.
The problem is that football isn't played on paper. When will this clown learn that he isn't doing it right and actually let someone who knows what they are doing take over. The shameful list of 'strikers' we have gone through should be enough to force a root and branch clear out.
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18 Apr 2016, 12:05 PM
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The problem is that football isn't played on paper. When will this clown learn that he isn't doing it right and actually let someone who knows what they are doing take over. The shameful list of 'strikers' we have gone through should be enough to force a root and branch clear out.
Christ, I had a look at a list the other day that someone had put together on twitter regarding this very point - shocking to the point of being embarrassing who the hell thought any of these duds would do a job here?? & the money we have wasted on them including fees & wages beggars belief.
If anyone needs reminding just how wrong PL's scouting ability is all they need do is look at that bloody list
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18 Apr 2016, 12:09 PM
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- stibhan
- 18 Apr 2016, 11:03 AM
Sutton says the fans have deserted the club. Sorry mate, but it's the other way round. We never left Celtic, they sold its soul and left us
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Neil McCallum
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18 Apr 2016, 12:09 PM
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When will Lawwell admit that he is no good at buying players? Never. His ego is gigantic. It will take action from Desmond, and that looks unlikely.
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18 Apr 2016, 12:13 PM
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The problem is that football isn't played on paper. When will this clown learn that he isn't doing it right and actually let someone who knows what they are doing take over. The shameful list of 'strikers' we have gone through should be enough to force a root and branch clear out.
Christ, I had a look at a list the other day that someone had put together on twitter regarding this very point - shocking to the point of being embarrassing who the hell thought any of these duds would do a job here?? & the money we have wasted on them including fees & wages beggars belief. If anyone needs reminding just how wrong PL's scouting ability is all they need do is look at that bloody list I wish someone would explain to me what is it that Park and/or Lawwell saw in Richards ans Cole that no other club did-apart from being freebies
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PauloM
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18 Apr 2016, 12:23 PM
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- tonyjaa-csc
- 18 Apr 2016, 09:20 AM
Any more word on Desmonds son or his daughter or his pet hound or whoever it is this week, taking over the reins from him? Allegedly, they are gonna have a very hands (or paws) on approach His son's married to Andrea Corr
I'd never leave the house, let alone move to Glasgow to be more involved with this circus.
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18 Apr 2016, 12:24 PM
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The silence is effing deafening. Shambles of a club from top to bottom and shows no sign of changing.
We need something to hold onto just now. At least come out and say he is here until the end of the season but he has decided to leave at the end of the season and we are now looking at replacements. Throw us a effing bone.
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18 Apr 2016, 12:37 PM
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Any more word on Desmonds son or his daughter or his pet hound or whoever it is this week, taking over the reins from him? Allegedly, they are gonna have a very hands (or paws) on approach
His son's married to Andrea Corr I'd never leave the house, let alone move to Glasgow to be more involved with this circus. The other son
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18 Apr 2016, 12:39 PM
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- 18 Apr 2016, 12:09 PM
When will Lawwell admit that he is no good at buying players? Never. His ego is gigantic. It will take action from Desmond, and that looks unlikely. We are a passing interest and an occasional distraction for DD. Guys a portfolio queen.
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Ned Rise
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18 Apr 2016, 12:42 PM
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- 18 Apr 2016, 12:24 PM
The silence is effing deafening. Shambles of a club from top to bottom and shows no sign of changing.
We need something to hold onto just now. At least come out and say he is here until the end of the season but he has decided to leave at the end of the season and we are now looking at replacements. Throw us a effing bone. Never happened. Main story on the website is Celtic ladies getting beat by Stirling University. It's all academic, as they say.
There was also an advert for t-shirts for £29. Think they might also have chucked in the player modelling them for that price. Got to get start the clear out somehow.
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18 Apr 2016, 12:45 PM
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Any more word on Desmonds son or his daughter or his pet hound or whoever it is this week, taking over the reins from him? Allegedly, they are gonna have a very hands (or paws) on approach
His son's married to Andrea Corr I'd never leave the house, let alone move to Glasgow to be more involved with this circus.
The other son Derry Desmond is the one taking over, Brett is married to one of the Corr's, Ross is involved in bringing the Five Guys Burgers and Fries franchise to Ireland.
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