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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,992 Views)
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thenakattack
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31 Jul 2014, 05:42 PM
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned.
That's what I don't get: by definition, any PLC, regardless of sector, will intrinsically behave in the way that's highlighted; and the sizeable parts of the support that "don't care about such things" are, ironically enough, contributing to a state of affairs that logically ends up leading to (surprise!) poor quality on the pitch. In other words, if you don't hold the PLC accountable for the aforementioned, don't expect it to be held accountable for the bits you care about. Period. Quite a leap there, where does it stop? Lawwell carrying a bit of timber should we make him diet?
This is a football club the football is all that should matter.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:48 PM
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Is Celtic just not attractive enough to 'big name players'? Champions league yes, but look at all the other shampoo we have to deal with on a week by week basis.
definitely not. thats the only real sympathy i have with the board. i dont think its as simple as saying theres 4m go get a quality striker. it must be torture trying to attract any kind of decent players here right now No efffin surprise.
The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans)
10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not.
I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who??
There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket.
Fair play to them. It won't be me.
Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support.
The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge.
I said before, when that happens, we will spend.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:53 PM
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned. The majority of fans that you know are at best ignorant and live very sheltered lives then if none of that bothers them.
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31 Jul 2014, 06:13 PM
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned. The majority of fans I know do.
And I would also suggest that suggesting folk are only annoyed about issues like these because we aren't doing to good right now is very patronising.
Do you really think that folk are like 'well I am annoyed that we don't pay the living wage but we did win on Saturda so it's ok' or 'the GB are being effed over but at least we're top by 20 points'?
If you do think that, you're wrong.
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31 Jul 2014, 06:21 PM
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Is Celtic just not attractive enough to 'big name players'? Champions league yes, but look at all the other shampoo we have to deal with on a week by week basis.
definitely not. thats the only real sympathy i have with the board. i dont think its as simple as saying theres 4m go get a quality striker. it must be torture trying to attract any kind of decent players here right now
No efffin surprise. The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans) 10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not. I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who?? There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket. Fair play to them. It won't be me. Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support. The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge. I said before, when that happens, we will spend. Yes of course it's the fault of the diehard for continuing to support the team!
What is the alternative? Don't support the team and watch us get progressively worse. Unless we move to the EPL we won't ever see another signing from a top team in england at the kind of price sutton was.
Appreciate a bit of a catch 22 regarding those who buy season tickets however the signing of Pukki is simply a poor quality signing and wasn't cheap. Griffiths i can actually (personality/character aside) see was worth a punt but if you want to look closer at the reason where we are just now then i don't think the solution is for the current 40-45k of fans to turn the back on the club. I can kind of see where you are coming from about making the board take notice but sounds more like you are trying to excuse your own glory hunting than actually supporting the team.
The guys i know and sit beside don't give a feck about the huns in whatever form they want to present themselves.
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31 Jul 2014, 06:23 PM
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Is Celtic just not attractive enough to 'big name players'? Champions league yes, but look at all the other shampoo we have to deal with on a week by week basis.
definitely not. thats the only real sympathy i have with the board. i dont think its as simple as saying theres 4m go get a quality striker. it must be torture trying to attract any kind of decent players here right now
No efffin surprise. The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans) 10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not. I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who?? There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket. Fair play to them. It won't be me. Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support. The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge. I said before, when that happens, we will spend. I genuinely don't think our board thinks beyond the OF as our major reason for existing. That's where the cash is for Celtic in a world where the CL is uncertain. Wee bit of bigotry and the money flows.
We had a great chance with their demise to think outside of a stifling box. We needed different people running the club to do it. From next year it'll be as you were.
Mother of all missed opportunities.
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31 Jul 2014, 06:27 PM
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I can kind of see where you are coming from about making the board take notice but sounds more like you are trying to excuse your own glory hunting than actually supporting the team. Shots fired.
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dr mueller
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31 Jul 2014, 06:30 PM
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That's what I don't get: by definition, any PLC, regardless of sector, will intrinsically behave in the way that's highlighted; and the sizeable parts of the support that "don't care about such things" are, ironically enough, contributing to a state of affairs that logically ends up leading to (surprise!) poor quality on the pitch. In other words, if you don't hold the PLC accountable for the aforementioned, don't expect it to be held accountable for the bits you care about. Period.
Quite a leap there, where does it stop? Lawwell carrying a bit of timber should we make him diet? This is a football club the football is all that should matter. But see, that's not how it works.
You can't expect the football to just be football, and a lot of folk on here might have to grudgingly accept that if you don't want to be treated like a consumer, you can't act like one.
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dr mueller
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31 Jul 2014, 06:31 PM
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned.
The majority of fans I know do. And I would also suggest that suggesting folk are only annoyed about issues like these because we aren't doing to good right now is very patronising. Do you really think that folk are like 'well I am annoyed that we don't pay the living wage but we did win on Saturda so it's ok' or 'the GB are being effed over but at least we're top by 20 points'? If you do think that, you're wrong. unfortunately I'd say it's pretty much 50-50 in that regard.
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31 Jul 2014, 06:34 PM
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No efffin surprise. The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans) 10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not. I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who?? There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket. Fair play to them. It won't be me. Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support. The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge. I said before, when that happens, we will spend.
I genuinely don't think our board thinks beyond the OF as our major reason for existing. That's where the cash is for Celtic in a world where the CL is uncertain. Wee bit of bigotry and the money flows. We had a great chance with their demise to think outside of a stifling box. We needed different people running the club to do it. From next year it'll be as you were. Mother of all missed opportunities. Half agree.
The board don't behave that way out of principle, but because as a business they've calculated that the old reliable model is the only realistic way of approaching things within the constraints of the depressingly limited Scottish market
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31 Jul 2014, 06:44 PM
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned.
The majority of fans that you know are at best ignorant and live very sheltered lives then if none of that bothers them. Or maybe they are football fans and dont like to kid on they are some sort of social warrior on internet forums
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31 Jul 2014, 06:48 PM
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned.
The majority of fans I know do. And I would also suggest that suggesting folk are only annoyed about issues like these because we aren't doing to good right now is very patronising. Do you really think that folk are like 'well I am annoyed that we don't pay the living wage but we did win on Saturda so it's ok' or 'the GB are being effed over but at least we're top by 20 points'? If you do think that, you're wrong. It would be mentioned far less if we were good, once the conversation is open folk like to toss it in. Its like when folk used to mention scott browns wages at every turn when their issue was his performances. Never mentioned now.
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31 Jul 2014, 06:56 PM
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Are they really offering free tickets for renewals of season tickets after they have taken money out of peoples accounts?
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31 Jul 2014, 07:04 PM
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The majority of fans I know do. And I would also suggest that suggesting folk are only annoyed about issues like these because we aren't doing to good right now is very patronising. Do you really think that folk are like 'well I am annoyed that we don't pay the living wage but we did win on Saturda so it's ok' or 'the GB are being effed over but at least we're top by 20 points'? If you do think that, you're wrong.
It would be mentioned far less if we were good, once the conversation is open folk like to toss it in. Its like when folk used to mention scott browns wages at every turn when their issue was his performances. Never mentioned now. A terrible example.
Brown's performances are obviously 100% relevant to any discussion about his wages, it's his performances that determine whether he deserves his wages or not.
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Or maybe they are football fans and dont like to kid on they are some sort of social warrior on internet forums
And I'd like to take issue with this comment as well, it shows you for the numpty you are.
Are you suggesting that football fans shouldn't be concerned about any other social issues - people living in poverty for example?
I assume that you're not stupid enough to be suggesting that.
Based on that assumption, it's only logical to suggest that some Celtic fans are concerned about folk living in poverty.
Now if the Celtic board, decision makers at an organisation that Celtic fans feel a very close affinity with, decide not to help out some folk who are classed as living in povery(I'm talking about voting against paying the living wage here), when they easily could help these folk out, some of these Celtic fans who care about those living in poverty are likely to be aggrieved/annoyed/disappointed/frustrated at the people taking this decision.
Or maybe we're just annoyed because we got beat 4-1 last night...
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31 Jul 2014, 07:04 PM
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The majority of fans I know do. And I would also suggest that suggesting folk are only annoyed about issues like these because we aren't doing to good right now is very patronising. Do you really think that folk are like 'well I am annoyed that we don't pay the living wage but we did win on Saturda so it's ok' or 'the GB are being effed over but at least we're top by 20 points'? If you do think that, you're wrong.
It would be mentioned far less if we were good, once the conversation is open folk like to toss it in. Its like when folk used to mention scott browns wages at every turn when their issue was his performances. Never mentioned now. correct, but that doesn't make it right.
And regarding the "internet social warrior" comment, keep thinking that, keep being taken for a ride.
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31 Jul 2014, 07:21 PM
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No efffin surprise. The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans) 10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not. I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who?? There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket. Fair play to them. It won't be me. Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support. The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge. I said before, when that happens, we will spend.
Yes of course it's the fault of the diehard for continuing to support the team! What is the alternative? Don't support the team and watch us get progressively worse. Unless we move to the EPL we won't ever see another signing from a top team in england at the kind of price sutton was. Appreciate a bit of a catch 22 regarding those who buy season tickets however the signing of Pukki is simply a poor quality signing and wasn't cheap. Griffiths i can actually (personality/character aside) see was worth a punt but if you want to look closer at the reason where we are just now then i don't think the solution is for the current 40-45k of fans to turn the back on the club. I can kind of see where you are coming from about making the board take notice but sounds more like you are trying to excuse your own glory hunting than actually supporting the team. The guys i know and sit beside don't give a feck about the huns in whatever form they want to present themselves. Nowt to do with my 'glory hunting'
I wouldn't spend my hard earned on watching what's on offer.
Others will, and I applaud them.. 'through thick and thin' and all that.
Dunno bout you, or your family/mates but here's an honest rundown of those who have/are season book holders in my close family.
Auld man/is has been since dot. Sis. Was/now only holds books for purpose of getting her two boys to see the matches. Bro-in-law. Was for years, cancelled last year Uncle. as above Two cousins. As above Bro. (Has a book but stays in Donegal so cant make a fair chunk of games) Me? There's always spares or mates not using, so why I would fork out for a SB at £££'s per year is a bit daft.
Have you managed to miss that attendances are down?
They can count SB holders for attendances of they like but attendances have gradually tapered away over the past few years.
The upper stand closure should be a sign that not all is well.
Did that ever happen under Strachan or O'Neil?
Anyway, my argument is so simple I'm surprised it's passed you by.
Quality on pitch = interest from the fans. Pish on the pitch = stay away fans.
You will always have a hardcore of fans but of the family members I mentioned above, some of them had been regulars for over 20 years. I would have considered them amongst your hardcore.
More often than not, they will pick and choose games, or go to away/European matches.
Would they buys books if the quality was on offer? Who know's but the fact that for the first time in decades they haven't renewed, says it all to me.
Lawwell is ripping the pish out of the fans. It's that simple.
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31 Jul 2014, 07:36 PM
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Lawwell is ripping the pish out of the fans. It's that simple.
Only it aint really him, is it? He's our irish-gibralterean benefactors right-hand man
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Neil Jung
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31 Jul 2014, 07:38 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Does Dermot Desmond even like football?
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31 Jul 2014, 07:43 PM
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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Its the lack of strategy in terms of building a side and the lack of continuity that pisses me' Star players are allowed to leave with no replacement in sight, Every year we are grubbing about the basement in july looking for players when we face our biggest games. Lenny after the karagandy game said he had qualified with no help from the board, Last year our reputation was shredded in the champions league due to downsizing I could understand if we had no money but were well off. What's wrong with these people is it all about money.
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Mubo Loravcik
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31 Jul 2014, 07:44 PM
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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- Neil Jung
- 31 Jul 2014, 07:38 PM
Does Dermot Desmond even like football? Golf, hurling and fencing.
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