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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,993 Views)
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31 Jul 2014, 04:28 PM
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You can't blame Lennon for not criticising his boss when he was still in the job. How many of us would go on record in the media slagging off our employers? I still think he's made a mistake leaving though because for all the negatives surrounding investment, etc, I don't think his stock is high enough to get another job anywhere near as good as being Celtic manager.
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31 Jul 2014, 04:37 PM
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Heres how we as a club run currently
De Facto owner - Dermot Desmond PLC Board - Desmonds puppets Club need new manager - Owner goes for his target, if owner doesnt get his target they turn to CEO
CEO - Peter Lawwell Answers to - The De Facto owner Club need new manager - Does the owners bidding, if thats a no no go for the cheap option
De Facto Director Of Football - Peter Lawwell Answers to - The CEO (Peter Lawwell) Perogative - To provide the head coach with cheap options via chief scout (John Park). Gives head coach list of options to pick from (usually cheaper the better) and work their way down a list of those who are handy/cheap enough to come to the club. This includes coaching staff (See J Collins)
Head Coach - Ronny Deila Answers to - The CEO, De Factor Director Of Football & De Facto owner Perogative - Be a patsy that wont knock the CEO/DOF nose out of place by working on a shoestring and the PLC board/owners dream i.e. cheap option, Thankful for the opportunity etc etc
The end
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31 Jul 2014, 04:38 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:24 PM
Not seen it posted, so apologies if it has been. But this blog is making some rather worrying accusations: @footballisfixed 7h We will release a blog post on the Legia Warszawa v Celtic match this evening at http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/ No further communication until then. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h And why on earth are people high up at Celtic betting AGAINST their team? Profiting from abysmal performances takes the piss out of fans. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h Why is there nobody in Celtic hierarchy to assess key match inputs like refs? Why was no work done on Van Boekel? Millions lost... ...again Mate you would need a brain transplant if you believe anyone high up at us would bet against us What a lot of shampooe to post.
That would imply the team and management where in on it too. Utter tripe
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31 Jul 2014, 04:47 PM
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- One sharp cookie
- 31 Jul 2014, 04:28 PM
You can't blame Lennon for not criticising his boss when he was still in the job. How many of us would go on record in the media slagging off our employers? Football management isn't a regular job, so you can't really compare Lennon's situation with an ordnary 9-5 guy.
Lennon, the summer window after we qualified for the last 16, held all the aces. That was the moment he should have come and called the board out and demanded more funds. It would have put the board in a horrible position. Sack Lennon, the guy who's just guided us through to the last 16 and face a monumental backlash from the fans, or actually give the guy the necessary funds to go again next year. Lennon didn't do it and chose to bite his tongue.
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31 Jul 2014, 04:56 PM
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- thenakattack
- 31 Jul 2014, 11:36 AM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 11:21 AM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 11:11 AM
If Lawwell goes any idea who we would get? someone cheaper obviously but will the strategy change?
Lawwell has a free hand, provided he stays within his remit. The board set the limits of that remit. Someone new might save the club half a million a year, but would simply be old wine in a new bottle. He is however, vastly overcompensated. The board are financial results obsessed to the detriment of the performances on the park. The approach doesn't have to the polar opposite and blow money chasing moonbeams, a balanced risk approach is practised in many many organisations. If the incumbents on our board can't manage that they should not be there, if they are not permitted to do so, the power behind the board needs to be hunted. The malaise in our club is rooted in the board room.
Agree, i just have this image of Lawwell going and everyone rejoicing only for his replacement to be given the exact same remit and role. precisely.
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31 Jul 2014, 04:56 PM
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- Dannybhoy95
- 31 Jul 2014, 04:47 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:28 PM
You can't blame Lennon for not criticising his boss when he was still in the job. How many of us would go on record in the media slagging off our employers?
Football management isn't a regular job, so you can't really compare Lennon's situation with an ordnary 9-5 guy. Lennon, the summer window after we qualified for the last 16, held all the aces. That was the moment he should have come and called the board out and demanded more funds. It would have put the board in a horrible position. Sack Lennon, the guy who's just guided us through to the last 16 and face a monumental backlash from the fans, or actually give the guy the necessary funds to go again next year. Lennon didn't do it and chose to bite his tongue. Plenty of boards have sacked popular managers because they didn't get along. There's usually a backlash from fans, which soon disappears if the next guy starts to do well.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:06 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:38 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:24 PM
Not seen it posted, so apologies if it has been. But this blog is making some rather worrying accusations: @footballisfixed 7h We will release a blog post on the Legia Warszawa v Celtic match this evening at http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/ No further communication until then. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h And why on earth are people high up at Celtic betting AGAINST their team? Profiting from abysmal performances takes the piss out of fans. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h Why is there nobody in Celtic hierarchy to assess key match inputs like refs? Why was no work done on Van Boekel? Millions lost... ...again
Mate you would need a brain transplant if you believe anyone high up at us would bet against us  What a lot of shampooe to post. That would imply the team and management where in on it too. Utter tripe DSTM, seen it being discussed by Twitter Tims (Twims?) and thought it might be of interest.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:08 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 03:10 PM
I am 26, I've had a season ticket since I was 7, these are the least enjoyable times I've had as a Celtic fan. They'll get worse. Next week is still to come.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:10 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:56 PM
Plenty of boards have sacked popular managers because they didn't get along. There's usually a backlash from fans, which soon disappears if the next guy starts to do well. Not only was Lennon hugely popular, he was pretty successful, too. Only truly mental clubs sack popular, successful managers.
We're not at that stage, not yet, anyway.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:11 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:24 PM
Not seen it posted, so apologies if it has been. But this blog is making some rather worrying accusations: @footballisfixed 7h We will release a blog post on the Legia Warszawa v Celtic match this evening at http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/ No further communication until then. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h And why on earth are people high up at Celtic betting AGAINST their team? Profiting from abysmal performances takes the piss out of fans. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h Why is there nobody in Celtic hierarchy to assess key match inputs like refs? Why was no work done on Van Boekel? Millions lost... ...again
Mate you would need a brain transplant if you believe anyone high up at us would bet against us  What a lot of shampooe to post. That would imply the team and management where in on it too. Utter tripe Not saying it's happening in our case, but you'd have to be pretty naive to think it's not taking place elsewhere on a wider scale than you think. And no, the "floor staff" doesn't have to be in on it.
This may be an "appalling vista" to some, but the day European football became super commercial commodity worsened the phenomenon of investors and top brass having negligible interest in the product on the pitch, unless cornered into it by dramatically declining revenue.
The powers that be at our Club share as much in the plight, concerns and passions of the support as your average Abrakebabra branch manager does about the day's discarded chips inventory.
It's the same everywhere, but that frustrating state of affairs is lessened for fan bases attached to richer clubs or leagues.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:12 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 03:10 PM
I am 26, I've had a season ticket since I was 7, these are the least enjoyable times I've had as a Celtic fan. Sounds very much like me, and yep, I'm the exact same. Not enjoying it at all, fed up being treated like a consumer but getting next to nothing in return. Anyone who believes this is the most enjoyable period in 30 years needs committed.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:18 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 05:11 PM
- zombieslayer35
- 31 Jul 2014, 04:38 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:24 PM
Not seen it posted, so apologies if it has been. But this blog is making some rather worrying accusations: @footballisfixed 7h We will release a blog post on the Legia Warszawa v Celtic match this evening at http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/ No further communication until then. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h And why on earth are people high up at Celtic betting AGAINST their team? Profiting from abysmal performances takes the piss out of fans. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h Why is there nobody in Celtic hierarchy to assess key match inputs like refs? Why was no work done on Van Boekel? Millions lost... ...again
Mate you would need a brain transplant if you believe anyone high up at us would bet against us  What a lot of shampooe to post. That would imply the team and management where in on it too. Utter tripe
Not saying it's happening in our case, but you'd have to be pretty naive to think it's not taking place elsewhere on a wider scale than you think. And no, the "floor staff" doesn't have to be in on it. This may be an "appalling vista" to some, but the day European football became super commercial commodity worsened the phenomenon of investors and top brass having negligible interest in the product on the pitch, unless cornered into it by dramatically declining revenue. The powers that be at our Club share as much in the plight, concerns and passions of the support as your average Abrakebabra branch manager does about the day's discarded chips inventory. It's the same everywhere, but that frustrating state of affairs is lessened for fan bases attached to richer clubs or leagues. Of course it goes on. Never said it didn't but I have no doubts it doesn't go on amongst those higher up with us. No chance
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31 Jul 2014, 05:23 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:38 PM
Not saying it's happening in our case, but you'd have to be pretty naive to think it's not taking place elsewhere on a wider scale than you think. And no, the "floor staff" doesn't have to be in on it. This may be an "appalling vista" to some, but the day European football became super commercial commodity worsened the phenomenon of investors and top brass having negligible interest in the product on the pitch, unless cornered into it by dramatically declining revenue. The powers that be at our Club share as much in the plight, concerns and passions of the support as your average Abrakebabra branch manager does about the day's discarded chips inventory. It's the same everywhere, but that frustrating state of affairs is lessened for fan bases attached to richer clubs or leagues.
Of course it goes on. Never said it didn't but I have no doubts it doesn't go on amongst those higher up with us. No chance Don't think so either, but why "no chance" ?
Are we somehow shielded from this kind of thing ?
I would guess not, but what exactly in the past ten years has convinced you that the Club are exempt from the wider criminal failings that permeate the abuses of a deregulated market economy ?
I've already said that, IMO, the only available hope for the support in the short to mid term, with regards to competitiveness beyond Scotland, lies in the realm of wider regulation. Chances of it occuring ? Not great indeed.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:25 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 05:11 PM
Of course it goes on. Never said it didn't but I have no doubts it doesn't go on amongst those higher up with us. No chance
Don't think so either, but why "no chance" ? Are we somehow shielded from this kind of thing ? I would guess not, but what exactly in the past ten years has convinced you that the Club are exempt from the wider criminal failings that permeate the abuses of a deregulated market economy ? I am just certain they wouldn't. They can be accused of many things but betting against us? Do me a favour.
To carry that off the management and players would need to be in on it. We where bad last night but because we are a poor team. Not because we lay down.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:26 PM
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Don't think so either, but why "no chance" ? Are we somehow shielded from this kind of thing ? I would guess not, but what exactly in the past ten years has convinced you that the Club are exempt from the wider criminal failings that permeate the abuses of a deregulated market economy ?
I am just certain they wouldn't. They can be accused of many things but betting against us? Do me a favour. To carry that off the management and players would need to be in on it. We where bad last night but because we are a poor team. Not because we lay down. Again, I'm not making that accusation. Was merely using that as an example for a broader point
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31 Jul 2014, 05:27 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 04:24 PM
Not seen it posted, so apologies if it has been. But this blog is making some rather worrying accusations: @footballisfixed 7h We will release a blog post on the Legia Warszawa v Celtic match this evening at http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/ No further communication until then. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h And why on earth are people high up at Celtic betting AGAINST their team? Profiting from abysmal performances takes the piss out of fans. FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h Why is there nobody in Celtic hierarchy to assess key match inputs like refs? Why was no work done on Van Boekel? Millions lost... ...again Unbelievable garbage. Unless the folk responsible for thsi blog are gonna name and names and back it up with hard evidence, they should just STFU.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:27 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 05:23 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 05:11 PM
Of course it goes on. Never said it didn't but I have no doubts it doesn't go on amongst those higher up with us. No chance
Don't think so either, but why "no chance" ? Are we somehow shielded from this kind of thing ? I would guess not, but what exactly in the past ten years has convinced you that the Club are exempt from the wider criminal failings that permeate the abuses of a deregulated market economy ? You must consider the socioeconomic and geopolitical ramifications of the infilitration of zionist dogma, which culminated in the global economic meltdown of 2008; for which the proletariat are still paying the heaviest of burdens. What we must consider in relation to Celtic is that those within the structural hierarchy are confined by the neoliberal realities of a tainted mechanism of corruption and Fordism.
a.k.a Lawwell's a fud.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:32 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 02:40 PM
Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team. The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned.
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31 Jul 2014, 05:33 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 05:18 PM
Don't think so either, but why "no chance" ? Are we somehow shielded from this kind of thing ? I would guess not, but what exactly in the past ten years has convinced you that the Club are exempt from the wider criminal failings that permeate the abuses of a deregulated market economy ?
You must consider the socioeconomic and geopolitical ramifications of the infilitration of zionist dogma, which culminated in the global economic meltdown of 2008; for which the proletariat are still paying the heaviest of burdens. What we must consider in relation to Celtic is that those within the structural hierarchy are confined by the neoliberal realities of a tainted mechanism of corruption and Fordism. a.k.a Lawwell's a fud. pretty good.
But strawman replies won't alter the fact that Celtic PLC, whether you like it or not, don't operate in isolation from a wider structure.
It's your prerogative if you're fond of trying to find fault in the narrowest of settings.
What do you genuinely disagree with ?
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31 Jul 2014, 05:38 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 02:40 PM
Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty. I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt. I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages. I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted. And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
The majority of fans that i know dont care about any of that and if we were good it would barely be mentioned. That's what I don't get: by definition, any PLC, regardless of sector, will intrinsically behave in the way that's highlighted; and the sizeable parts of the support that "don't care about such things" are, ironically enough, contributing to a state of affairs that logically ends up leading to (surprise!) poor quality on the pitch.
In other words, if you don't hold the PLC accountable for the aforementioned, don't expect it to be held accountable for the bits you care about. Period.
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