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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,696 Views)
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Some were wondering why had we signed all these midfielders. I suspect PL had earmarked Bitton and Johannsen as his bankers to punt in the summer and now their stock has fallen, Rogic has been added to the list.


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Neil McCallum
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe Vastly Overpaid Peter Lawwell if we were run as a football club (and not as some loss-leader within some bastard squillionaires portfolio of companies) SPLOB should be on £250k or
He is a symptom not the cause.

If players have a good season or 2 and know they can get double the wages in EPL then they are going whether we like it or not.
Then a monkey could do his job.
If that is the case then as long as he can screw £1m a year more out of the EPL with his transfer dealings than a monkey then in monetary terms he is a good investment in the eyes of the board.

I know it doesn't suit the get PL out argument but his selling of players over the last few years has been good.

Going down this line of argument misses the point of the actual problems he may be causing / ordered to cause.

In just monetary terms it is easy to justify his wage. The opportunity cost is the bigger argument, what is the real cost of his interference in football matters?

Talking about his wage as the main concern muddies the waters. Pl is value for money in this one dimensional world.

Edited by Adam Smith 11, 14 Apr 2016, 06:51 PM.
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14 Apr 2016, 03:50 PM
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14 Apr 2016, 03:42 PM
Has any manager or ex manager ever came out and stated plainly that Lawwell imposed players on him or interfered in the running of the team in any way? Just asking, because I suspect that a lot of assumptions are being made here, and wonder if they are based on actual fact.
That's why I've been asking for examples of his intervention. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, just that it's accepted as fact and repeated, without any concrete evidence.
Kenny Miller said that Lawwell told him he was 6th choice or something like that. Bobo confirmed that he was behind his situation as well.

Managers won't want sacked, then sign deals when they leave to get any cash due. It'd hurt future prospects too if you revealed everything about your previous club as well, cos who's to say you won't do it again?
Too much sense for the doubters :thumbsup:

Imagine safeguarding your employment and future employment - Wonder if all the doubters go firing off about their bosses to all and sundry in the public domain. :ph43r:

Anyways what about the Irish Wonderbhoys foisted upon the Managers by the Barbados Golfer instead of PL - Mair pish with no concrete evidence no doubt. ;)
Edited by CaltonBhoy1967, 14 Apr 2016, 06:57 PM.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Lawwell was the highest paid CEO in European football (in ratio to club turnover).

The money he is on is mental.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Lawwell was the highest paid CEO in European football (in ratio to club turnover).

The money he is on is mental.
2% or so of turnover.

A club turning over £2m would need to be paying there MD/CEO less than £40k.
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kellybhoy
14 Apr 2016, 03:42 PM
Has any manager or ex manager ever came out and stated plainly that Lawwell imposed players on him or interfered in the running of the team in any way? Just asking, because I suspect that a lot of assumptions are being made here, and wonder if they are based on actual fact.
That's why I've been asking for examples of his intervention. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, just that it's accepted as fact and repeated, without any concrete evidence.
It started out as a couple of rumours, and it grew arms and legs. At this point Lawwell's interference with signings is more or less taken for granted--even though there has never really been any evidence to back it up. (Although it's quite possible that some kind of evidence has been posted/published, and I've missed it.)

Just to be clear, I want him and Desmond gone--for all the obvious, tangible reasons.
So you're saying Giorgios Samaras was commenting on Internet rumours when he gave his reason for not staying?

Or Kenny Miller?

Or Joe Ledley?
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14 Apr 2016, 06:56 PM
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14 Apr 2016, 03:50 PM

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Kenny Miller said that Lawwell told him he was 6th choice or something like that. Bobo confirmed that he was behind his situation as well.

Managers won't want sacked, then sign deals when they leave to get any cash due. It'd hurt future prospects too if you revealed everything about your previous club as well, cos who's to say you won't do it again?
Too much sense for the doubters :thumbsup:

Imagine safeguarding your employment and future employment - Wonder if all the doubters go firing off about their bosses to all and sundry in the public domain. :ph43r:

Anyways what about the Irish Wonderbhoys foisted upon the Managers by the Barbados Golfer instead of PL - Mair pish with no concrete evidence no doubt. ;)
Maryl Durphy :hmmm:
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14 Apr 2016, 03:42 PM
Has any manager or ex manager ever came out and stated plainly that Lawwell imposed players on him or interfered in the running of the team in any way? Just asking, because I suspect that a lot of assumptions are being made here, and wonder if they are based on actual fact.
Yes because that's what happens in real life. You undermine your boss at a press conference...
I did include ex-managers. Anyway, accepting the point of your sarcasm, is it all based on assumption, or inside knowledge, or just clever deduction?
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kellybhoy
14 Apr 2016, 03:42 PM
Has any manager or ex manager ever came out and stated plainly that Lawwell imposed players on him or interfered in the running of the team in any way? Just asking, because I suspect that a lot of assumptions are being made here, and wonder if they are based on actual fact.
Yes because that's what happens in real life. You undermine your boss at a press conference...
I did include ex-managers. Anyway, accepting the point of your sarcasm, is it all based on assumption, or inside knowledge, or just clever deduction?
Read the multitude of posts answering your questions.

They haven't all guessed or made it up.
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remy mcswain
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14 Apr 2016, 03:52 PM

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I did include ex-managers. Anyway, accepting the point of your sarcasm, is it all based on assumption, or inside knowledge, or just clever deduction?
Read the multitude of posts answering your questions.

They haven't all guessed or made it up.
I've read those posts, and I seem to remember most people not caring too much about Miller leaving (although to my mind he was not 5th or 6th choice striker, maybe joint third with Sheridan behind JVOH and Scott McDonald). Same with Bobo and Samaras, most people though their time was up. But I wasn't saying Lawwell does not have a say in player movements, I was just asking for examples of when it was clear, not based on hearsay, but clear, that he was overruling the manager.
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kellybhoy
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14 Apr 2016, 08:01 PM

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Read the multitude of posts answering your questions.

They haven't all guessed or made it up.
I've read those posts, and I seem to remember most people not caring too much about Miller leaving (although to my mind he was not 5th or 6th choice striker, maybe joint third with Sheridan behind JVOH and Scott McDonald). Same with Bobo and Samaras, most people though their time was up. But I wasn't saying Lawwell does not have a say in player movements, I was just asking for examples of when it was clear, not based on hearsay, but clear, that he was overruling the manager.
Doesn't matter what people thought of Balde,Samaras,,Ledley or even Miller you asked about evidence - They all put it in the public domain what the script was and it was PL so that there in a few examples is concrete evidence of what you are asking for and is not just kds hearsay.

Do you think a Manager really would want Balde kicking his heels picking up heavy dosh every week whilst not playing?

Did the Manager want Ledley away?

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CaltonBhoy1967
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14 Apr 2016, 08:02 PM

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I've read those posts, and I seem to remember most people not caring too much about Miller leaving (although to my mind he was not 5th or 6th choice striker, maybe joint third with Sheridan behind JVOH and Scott McDonald). Same with Bobo and Samaras, most people though their time was up. But I wasn't saying Lawwell does not have a say in player movements, I was just asking for examples of when it was clear, not based on hearsay, but clear, that he was overruling the manager.
Doesn't matter what people thought of Balde,Samaras,,Ledley or even Miller you asked about evidence - They all put it in the public domain what the script was and it was PL so that there in a few examples is concrete evidence of what you are asking for and is not just kds hearsay.

Do you think a Manager really would want Balde kicking his heels picking up heavy dosh every week whilst not playing?

Did the Manager want Ledley away?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27364718

Lying bastard :nono:
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14 Apr 2016, 08:28 PM

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Doesn't matter what people thought of Balde,Samaras,,Ledley or even Miller you asked about evidence - They all put it in the public domain what the script was and it was PL so that there in a few examples is concrete evidence of what you are asking for and is not just kds hearsay.

Do you think a Manager really would want Balde kicking his heels picking up heavy dosh every week whilst not playing?

Did the Manager want Ledley away?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27364718

Lying bastard :nono:
:lol:

Tbh I was delighted PL intervened on that one. ;)
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27364718

Lying bastard :nono:
:lol:

Tbh I was delighted PL intervened on that one. ;)
Probably a case of 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day'. Manager wants player to stay, player wants to stay. Unless the player is coming the carrot with wage demands, then Lawwell's job should be to close the deal, not offload the player. If he really wanted to do the best for the business then he should not have let his contract run down and leave for hee haw.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27364718

Lying bastard :nono:
:lol:

Tbh I was delighted PL intervened on that one. ;)
Probably a case of 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day'. Manager wants player to stay, player wants to stay. Unless the player is coming the carrot with wage demands, then Lawwell's job should be to close the deal, not offload the player. If he really wanted to do the best for the business then he should not have let his contract run down and leave for hee haw.
He should have been offoaded earlier - Same with JVoh.

I have no idea if Lennon really wanted Samaras to stay - There are others on here will actually know albeit not at the "concrete evidence" levels sought on here :ph43r:

Sammy like his agent was prone to a few whoppers - Only wanting medals not dosh and then signs for West Brom, :ph43r:
Edited by CaltonBhoy1967, 14 Apr 2016, 09:33 PM.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27364718

Lying bastard :nono:
:lol:

Tbh I was delighted PL intervened on that one. ;)
Probably a case of 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day'. Manager wants player to stay, player wants to stay. Unless the player is coming the carrot with wage demands, then Lawwell's job should be to close the deal, not offload the player. If he really wanted to do the best for the business then he should not have let his contract run down and leave for hee haw.
What were his wage demands in this case?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27364718
Probably a case of 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day'. Manager wants player to stay, player wants to stay. Unless the player is coming the carrot with wage demands, then Lawwell's job should be to close the deal, not offload the player. If he really wanted to do the best for the business then he should not have let his contract run down and leave for hee haw.
What were his wage demands in this case?
Well he says he never got an offer... :ponder:
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A good few years ago Lawwell was lauded on here and worth every penny he made. He`s maybe outgrown the role, overstepped the mark, lost his way, but he did a lot of good as well (in the early years) and that should be remembered.

Time for him to move on and us to get someone that wont interfere in the footballing side so much.
I've been advocating he stepped down since 2009. His role in gifting Rangers the title (although Strachan deserved a lot of blame too) that year was a classic case of someone too arrogant to see his own mistakes.

I accept that he did have some good seasons but they have been way outnumbered by bad ones in the past few years.
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Lawwell gets the blame as he is a good business man. Therefore, as supporters, it is only right that we should want rid of him. The 'downsizing' of Celtic in recent years has been nothing short of incredulous. Yet, the titles keep rolling in.

A good business man is also 'lucky'. That's not accepted as a fact but it is, invariably, true. Step up to the plate, Aberdeen!

Many of us have stated that they would throw the league away and 'Hibs' it. The consistency in which they have, whilst almost within touching distance, could not have been scripted by Lawwell himself.

A last minute screamer against Killie, a goalkeeping blunder against Motherwell and Hearts coming back from 1-0 down against the Dons - Charles Dickens wouldn't have written anything so fanciful!

There is another man much more guilty than Lawwell. He is a man who appoints others, he rewards them for total and complete loyalty. Those in his employ accept that as fact, it is a given and the rewards are immense. Literally, on a personal scale, the personal financial rewards are immense.

He is a billionaire, so rich that he has been linked to the recent financial tax avoidance 'Panama Papers', which include associates of Vladimir Putin. He purchased London City Airport for £23.5m in 1995 then sold it in October 2006 for a reported £750 million.

Similar to The Rangers' career criminal chairman, Dave King, he knows exactly how many days he can reside within his country of birth before paying a single penny on tax. This man does not have wealth 'off the radar', he has wealth 'off any radar' we could comprehend.

A 'holiday' residence in Barbados, combined with VIP status at Augusta year in, year out make the sell of Wanyama, Forrester, Ledley et al seem like a shopping trip to your local supermarket to him. In reality, that would probably be a life time trip to the supermarket for the entire season ticket membership at Celtic Park.

He is treated with more respect than any owner of a green jacket shall ever receive.

In an incredulous twist of events, Phil Mac Giolla Bhain indulged in what could best be described as the Celtic FC version of Level 5 spin by asserting this man was either 'unaware totally' or 'unaware to a certain degree' of the magnatude Resolution 12. He laid the blame, fairly and squarely, at the feet of Lawwell.

We can all talk of our derision relating to Celtic FC, Lawwell, the Board, Ronnie Deila and Efe Ambrose.

We can talk of complicity in regard to The Rangers/ the SFA/ the SPFL and the media.

If we are to leave other clubs aside, ignore their desire of the 'Blue and Green pound', and place any blame at the feet of our own club then there is one man who has stated that 'Rangers are a club needed within Scottish football, with a proud history'.

A man to whom our club is a British tax haven toy; Bhoys & Ghirls, I give you

Dermot Desmond























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Lawwell gets the blame as he is a good business man. Therefore, as supporters, it is only right that we should want rid of him. The 'downsizing' of Celtic in recent years has been nothing short of incredulous. Yet, the titles keep rolling in.

A good business man is also 'lucky'. That's not accepted as a fact but it is, invariably, true. Step up to the plate, Aberdeen!

Many of us have stated that they would throw the league away and 'Hibs' it. The consistency in which they have, whilst almost within touching distance, could not have been scripted by Lawwell himself.

A last minute screamer against Killie, a goalkeeping blunder against Motherwell and Hearts coming back from 1-0 down against the Dons - Charles Dickens wouldn't have written anything so fanciful!

There is another man much more guilty than Lawwell. He is a man who appoints others, he rewards them for total and complete loyalty. Those in his employ accept that as fact, it is a given and the rewards are immense. Literally, on a personal scale, the personal financial rewards are immense.

He is a billionaire, so rich that he has been linked to the recent financial tax avoidance 'Panama Papers', which include associates of Vladimir Putin. He purchased London City Airport for £23.5m in 1995 then sold it in October 2006 for a reported £750 million.

Similar to The Rangers' career criminal chairman, Dave King, he knows exactly how many days he can reside within his country of birth before paying a single penny on tax. This man does not have wealth 'off the radar', he has wealth 'off any radar' we could comprehend.

A 'holiday' residence in Barbados, combined with VIP status at Augusta year in, year out make the sell of Wanyama, Forrester, Ledley et al seem like a shopping trip to your local supermarket to him. In reality, that would probably be a life time trip to the supermarket for the entire season ticket membership at Celtic Park.

He is treated with more respect than any owner of a green jacket shall ever receive.

In an incredulous twist of events, Phil Mac Giolla Bhain indulged in what could best be described as the Celtic FC version of Level 5 spin by asserting this man was either 'unaware totally' or 'unaware to a certain degree' of the magnatude Resolution 12. He laid the blame, fairly and squarely, at the feet of Lawwell.

We can all talk of our derision relating to Celtic FC, Lawwell, the Board, Ronnie Deila and Efe Ambrose.

We can talk of complicity in regard to The Rangers/ the SFA/ the SPFL and the media.

If we are to leave other clubs aside, ignore their desire of the 'Blue and Green pound', and place any blame at the feet of our own club then there is one man who has stated that 'Rangers are a club needed within Scottish football, with a proud history'.

A man to whom our club is a British tax haven toy; Bhoys & Ghirls, I give you

Dermot Desmond























I think there are questions about DD and Celtic going forward but tbh some of what you say is over the top.

Is Dermott part of the global elite who want to influence govts (£50K to the Conservatives) without contributing, tax wise ? Probably.

But with regards to Celtic he has put his money where his mouth is and I don't want us to be run as a plaything akin to Chelsea or Man City.

To compare him to Dave King is not fair in that Dermott has never made promises to us about how much we would spend etc. Put it this way for all his faults give me DD over Dave King any day.

However he has allowed Lawwell to throw away a position of strength on a project manager. I don't criticise the overall amount of money we spend, I criticise how we spend it and how we negotiate for players. Law well has been given almost free reign and has made a moses of it in the last few seasons.

DD has to decide IMHO, where we go from here. He has to stop talking about moving to the EPL because no-one else really believes its a possibility in the near future. He has to build form position's of strength instead of trying to get away with doing as little as possible, resulting panic buys and appointments that end up costing us in the long run.

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