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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,702 Views)
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paulfg42
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No was there will be 45k+ season tickets sold next season, even if we get Moyes.
I believe PL will likely believe that those who decide not t renew whether it be about Deila or R12 will be replaced by others buying due to the return of the vermin.

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It'll be the same jersey, same club name, same disgusting fans... whether they're a new company/club/whatever or not isnt the issue as far as the game goes. I know its not a popular opinion on here but its how a lot of fans see it.

you want them to die, they want Celtic to die, nothings changed then. :lol:
Lots of things change about clubs. They build new stands, they change their jerseys, they add badges, change badges, sometimes after decades, they knock down the stand they built and move to a brand new spanking out of town stadium, they change the name of the ground from some cherished historical name to an advert for a training shoe or an airline... all of these things happen, yet they remain the same club.

One thing that happens that means you're not the same club? Liquidation. You go out of business. You lose your history, the continuity that took you from the day you were formed by soon-to-be certified imbeciles and bankrupts, to the day that you went out of business, with the same kind of people in charge. All the stuff in between? A memory. Sure, it's their memory and no one can take it from them. No one wants to. We're not in the business of rewriting history (that's their job).

But the notion that they're the same club, just because their name is nearly the same and the people who follow follow them out of that crumbling temple of doom like to sing songs about the good ol' days of religious discrimination? Well, they can cling to it like an old fart, but it's left their rotten, decomposing arse and it's not coming back.
I didn`t say they are the same club. I said they are still the huns. they are still the huns, same name, same shirts, same mob, same fans, same songbook.

Yes they were liquidated and have started again. But they are the same huns.
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I think many of us are in a quandary for next season, support the club or take a stance if nothing changes at our end. Add to that the fact that the custodians will not fight for what is proper and correct re their past behaviour.

However if people think that there will be automatic renewals for two sevco games they are kidding themselves on. The games will be on TV and there will always be tickets available from mates etc.

Its a long time since I went to Celtic park for a sevco game and I did not see tickets being offered for sale outside the ground. I accept Ibrox if different however I have no interest in giving them money so that does not affect me.

Support your team yes, be taken for a dafty no. They are a poison and if the shoe was on the other foot we would be decimated and not in a position to return to the top league. Well done the Celtic board.
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Be interesting to find out how many kids sbs we will sell and how many will be upgraded for the Huns games?
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Kingslim
28 Mar 2016, 07:32 PM
paulfg42
28 Mar 2016, 07:20 PM
No was there will be 45k+ season tickets sold next season, even if we get Moyes.
I believe PL will likely believe that those who decide not t renew whether it be about Deila or R12 will be replaced by others buying due to the return of the vermin.

I agree but I think he may find he is sadly mistaken.
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28 Mar 2016, 03:29 AM
Re resolution 12. The fact that the SFA decision was not challenged at the time it was made means that the club is unlikely to pursue it now. Whether we like it or not Celtic FC does not wish to have ongoing confrontation with with another member of the SPFL. The fans may think nothing of this kind of acrimony between us and the huns, but the fact is that the SPFL survives on ongoing cooperation and goodwill amongst its members. Too much time has now passed and and any kind of action from Celtic at this point would IMO create friction for which Celtic would without doubt be blamed.
Resolution 12, again as I understand it, has nothing to do with Sevco.
It is an action against the SFA.
OK, but what is the desired outcome of this action?
I think that the desired outcome is to bring the SFA to account for their corrupt actions, so that those responsible are punished rather than rewarded, and to ensure that the game in Scoddland is never again run for the benefit of one single club.

Perhaps one of the Res 12ers could jump in here and confirm?
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Kingslim
28 Mar 2016, 07:32 PM
paulfg42
28 Mar 2016, 07:20 PM
No was there will be 45k+ season tickets sold next season, even if we get Moyes.
I believe PL will likely believe that those who decide not t renew whether it be about Deila or R12 will be replaced by others buying due to the return of the vermin.

Well as of this month, they need a replacement for my Celtic TV. I've had it since they started the service, about 10 years ago, it, but enough is enough.
I hope Peter, Dermot and The Rangers are very happy together.


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Kingslim
28 Mar 2016, 07:32 PM
paulfg42
28 Mar 2016, 07:20 PM
No was there will be 45k+ season tickets sold next season, even if we get Moyes.
I believe PL will likely believe that those who decide not t renew whether it be about Deila or R12 will be replaced by others buying due to the return of the vermin.

Well as of this month, they need a replacement for my Celtic TV. I've had it since they started the service, about 10 years ago, it, but enough is enough.
I hope Peter, Dermot and The Rangers are very happy together.


Hopefully, they wont be happy for too long.

The Rangers are a busted flush as their latest accounts demonstrate. They are an irrelevance
that hopefully still will go away without any influence of Desmond or Lawwell.

The only frustration that remains is, as other posters have pointed out, we should be so far
out of sight, if the club was being run correctly.


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Kingslim
28 Mar 2016, 07:32 PM
paulfg42
28 Mar 2016, 07:20 PM
No was there will be 45k+ season tickets sold next season, even if we get Moyes.
I believe PL will likely believe that those who decide not t renew whether it be about Deila or R12 will be replaced by others buying due to the return of the vermin.

I agree but I think he may find he is sadly mistaken.
Exactly. PL is an obnoxious and arrogant sod who will never be convinced he's wrong so there is little point even trying. Eventually he will leave or be sacked* and things may change but the damage could soon be irreversible. In the interim, the huns will become relevant simply because our standards will continue to drop to make things competitive.

* Sadly for that fat cat we are not as dumb as the huns.
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Phil Mac has asked the press office re Res 12:

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/resultion-12-questions-for-celtic-f-c/
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29 Mar 2016, 07:07 PM
During the last several years, Phil Mac has asked more questions publicly than Jeremy Paxman

Have any been answered?

However, this time a response or a failure to respond will be interesting

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I'm guessing that he's given Celtic a time deadline as he's giving them the opportunity to respond before he releases a story.
Just a guess...
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30 Mar 2016, 09:14 AM
I'm guessing that he's given Celtic a time deadline as he's giving them the opportunity to respond before he releases a story.
Just a guess...
Maybe he knows the reason why the board won't pursue the issue, or maybe he's just grandstanding.

Marmite.
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30 Mar 2016, 09:14 AM
I'm guessing that he's given Celtic a time deadline as he's giving them the opportunity to respond before he releases a story.
Just a guess...
Maybe he knows the reason why the board won't pursue the issue, or maybe he's just grandstanding.

Marmite.
I thought he mentioned last week that the huns had been assured that the board would take care of Res 12, in other words make sure nothing happened.
Maybe more details to back that up?

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Lots of things change about clubs. They build new stands, they change their jerseys, they add badges, change badges, sometimes after decades, they knock down the stand they built and move to a brand new spanking out of town stadium, they change the name of the ground from some cherished historical name to an advert for a training shoe or an airline... all of these things happen, yet they remain the same club.

One thing that happens that means you're not the same club? Liquidation. You go out of business. You lose your history, the continuity that took you from the day you were formed by soon-to-be certified imbeciles and bankrupts, to the day that you went out of business, with the same kind of people in charge. All the stuff in between? A memory. Sure, it's their memory and no one can take it from them. No one wants to. We're not in the business of rewriting history (that's their job).

But the notion that they're the same club, just because their name is nearly the same and the people who follow follow them out of that crumbling temple of doom like to sing songs about the good ol' days of religious discrimination? Well, they can cling to it like an old fart, but it's left their rotten, decomposing arse and it's not coming back.
I didn`t say they are the same club. I said they are still the huns. they are still the huns, same name, same shirts, same mob, same fans, same songbook.

Yes they were liquidated and have started again. But they are the same huns.
Different turd, same flies :thumbsup:
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OK, but what is the desired outcome of this action?
I think that the desired outcome is to bring the SFA to account for their corrupt actions, so that those responsible are punished rather than rewarded, and to ensure that the game in Scoddland is never again run for the benefit of one single club.

Perhaps one of the Res 12ers could jump in here and confirm?
In today's Not The View.


Questions and Answers on Resolution 12 adjourned at Celtic AGM 2013 : (adjourned means still open)

Resolution 12 in brief asked Celtic to request the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) to use their powers to investigate the processing of the application for a UEFA Licence to play in the Champions League in season 2011/12. There are many supporters who simply are unsighted on the issue or have only a vague notion what the aims of Resolution 12 are so here is a Q& A from a Celtic Quick News where the following legitimate questions were asked along with the answers.

Q1) We know the alleged date of the ‘crime’ and we think we know the UEFA statute of limitations – what don’t we know?

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If there was in fact an overdue payable as defined in UEFA FFP Art 66 and Annex Viii at 30 June 2011. Our tax expert advice is that there was from 20 June and legal input was that none of the 4 conditions for exemption were met by 30 June.

That in a nutshell is what Res12 asked UEFA to investigate because previous enquiries only got an answer relevant to the granting of the licence under Art50 that covered an overdue payable at 31st March. There wasn’t one under Art 50 as bill did not arrive until 20th May.

Q2) What do we want the final outcome to be?

Depends on answer to above. If SFA can explain to shareholders satisfaction how Article 66 requirements were met in June 2011, particularly in light of how UEFA dealt with a similar situation with Malaga FC the following year, in a way that answers why Sherriff Officers s called to collect the tax owed 6 weeks after 30 June on 10tht August, then that is all that is required to bed the issue. It’s that simple.

If in fact there was an overdue payable as defined by UEFA then first there would be an apology to Celtic, it’s support and shareholders then a commitment to review their licensing processes to ensure a repeat was not possible and finally compensation for denying Celtic the opportunity to play in a first round CL qualifying match.
Also welcome would be an explanation why Stewart Regan had to discuss the issue with now current TRFC Director Andrew Dickson and send him a draft for RFC to clear in December 2011 and why the SFA asked RFC to make a statement in Sept 2011 to cover the position at that point in language that suggested UEFA would not examine fully because they were too busy. A statement that subsequently was a misrepresentation of the position.

Q3) Will there be any tangible benefit to Celtic if we get the desired outcome?

The tangible benefit to Scottish football will be that those governing will no longer act with impunity and make secret agreements that impact on the integrity of the game they are charged with protecting. I think having a more careful SFA will be a tangible benefit to Celtic and all clubs as will reforming a governance system that apparently worked to the benefit of one club to the exclusion of the rest. A perceived benefit that was earned at great cost.

Q4) Could Celtic be adversely affected if they contact UEFA direct?

Only Celtic know the answer to that but it would be a strange situation where the possible victims of a crime were punished for reporting it.

Q5) Must a club resolve this type of issue with their own association?

That is how the current system works. Closed shop governance with no accountability to paying customer and in Scotland that is match goers. Such a system encourages the very arrogance that Res12 has had to battle with. However if an honest commitment were made to enquire into the matter in its entirety, it need not go to UEFA. That commitment though would require shareholder/supporters involvement for credibility. As it is also a matter of Scottish football governance, some supporter representation from other clubs would cement such credibility.

Q6) Are things as clear-cut as are they are portrayed?

Right up to Dec 2015 matters where as reported. Shareholder reps and Celtic worked together to establish validity of our points and take them to SFA. The SFA refused to answer specific questions in a letter put to them on 23 July 2015 by a solicitor engaged by shareholders for that purpose after two reminders.

Given the domestic solution route was going nowhere the decision was made late Dec by shareholders to take case to UEFA, not just to answer the prime question and investigate but also to look at SFA’S inaction since Aug 2014 when they were shown the tax bill, which the SFA crucially said they had not seen. Celtic were aware of this change, taking matters out the domestic forum to the UEFA, a change they recognise was the right of the shareholders.. There was a hope though it might get an answer from SFA.

A response was finally given to Celtic (not the shareholders representatives’ solicitor) by SFA in mid-March that did not address the questions put to the SFA in July 2015 and at the time
of writing it is fair to say the baw is oan the slates, but the situation is fluid and developments can be read on Celtic Quick News http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/ or on Twitter under @Auldheid.

Q 7) Is there another side to this story?

I don’t know about side but Scotland is some country when it takes the contortions that have happened since 2011 to minimise the impact of years of cheating from 2000 and then turn the world inside out to try and make those contortions appear normal.

This whole farce is as much if not more of an ethical issue and the lack of ethics at play is a sad reflection on our game, those running it in particular and our society in general.

From the original Q & A that has been amended as above since posting see : http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/doing-your-talking-on-the-park/comment-page-12/#comments


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I think that the desired outcome is to bring the SFA to account for their corrupt actions, so that those responsible are punished rather than rewarded, and to ensure that the game in Scoddland is never again run for the benefit of one single club.

Perhaps one of the Res 12ers could jump in here and confirm?
In today's Not The View.


Questions and Answers on Resolution 12 adjourned at Celtic AGM 2013 : (adjourned means still open)

Resolution 12 in brief asked Celtic to request the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) to use their powers to investigate the processing of the application for a UEFA Licence to play in the Champions League in season 2011/12. There are many supporters who simply are unsighted on the issue or have only a vague notion what the aims of Resolution 12 are so here is a Q& A from a Celtic Quick News where the following legitimate questions were asked along with the answers.

Q1) We know the alleged date of the ‘crime’ and we think we know the UEFA statute of limitations – what don’t we know?

====

If there was in fact an overdue payable as defined in UEFA FFP Art 66 and Annex Viii at 30 June 2011. Our tax expert advice is that there was from 20 June and legal input was that none of the 4 conditions for exemption were met by 30 June.

That in a nutshell is what Res12 asked UEFA to investigate because previous enquiries only got an answer relevant to the granting of the licence under Art50 that covered an overdue payable at 31st March. There wasn’t one under Art 50 as bill did not arrive until 20th May.

Q2) What do we want the final outcome to be?

Depends on answer to above. If SFA can explain to shareholders satisfaction how Article 66 requirements were met in June 2011, particularly in light of how UEFA dealt with a similar situation with Malaga FC the following year, in a way that answers why Sherriff Officers s called to collect the tax owed 6 weeks after 30 June on 10tht August, then that is all that is required to bed the issue. It’s that simple.

If in fact there was an overdue payable as defined by UEFA then first there would be an apology to Celtic, it’s support and shareholders then a commitment to review their licensing processes to ensure a repeat was not possible and finally compensation for denying Celtic the opportunity to play in a first round CL qualifying match.
Also welcome would be an explanation why Stewart Regan had to discuss the issue with now current TRFC Director Andrew Dickson and send him a draft for RFC to clear in December 2011 and why the SFA asked RFC to make a statement in Sept 2011 to cover the position at that point in language that suggested UEFA would not examine fully because they were too busy. A statement that subsequently was a misrepresentation of the position.

Q3) Will there be any tangible benefit to Celtic if we get the desired outcome?

The tangible benefit to Scottish football will be that those governing will no longer act with impunity and make secret agreements that impact on the integrity of the game they are charged with protecting. I think having a more careful SFA will be a tangible benefit to Celtic and all clubs as will reforming a governance system that apparently worked to the benefit of one club to the exclusion of the rest. A perceived benefit that was earned at great cost.

Q4) Could Celtic be adversely affected if they contact UEFA direct?

Only Celtic know the answer to that but it would be a strange situation where the possible victims of a crime were punished for reporting it.

Q5) Must a club resolve this type of issue with their own association?

That is how the current system works. Closed shop governance with no accountability to paying customer and in Scotland that is match goers. Such a system encourages the very arrogance that Res12 has had to battle with. However if an honest commitment were made to enquire into the matter in its entirety, it need not go to UEFA. That commitment though would require shareholder/supporters involvement for credibility. As it is also a matter of Scottish football governance, some supporter representation from other clubs would cement such credibility.

Q6) Are things as clear-cut as are they are portrayed?

Right up to Dec 2015 matters where as reported. Shareholder reps and Celtic worked together to establish validity of our points and take them to SFA. The SFA refused to answer specific questions in a letter put to them on 23 July 2015 by a solicitor engaged by shareholders for that purpose after two reminders.

Given the domestic solution route was going nowhere the decision was made late Dec by shareholders to take case to UEFA, not just to answer the prime question and investigate but also to look at SFA’S inaction since Aug 2014 when they were shown the tax bill, which the SFA crucially said they had not seen. Celtic were aware of this change, taking matters out the domestic forum to the UEFA, a change they recognise was the right of the shareholders.. There was a hope though it might get an answer from SFA.

A response was finally given to Celtic (not the shareholders representatives’ solicitor) by SFA in mid-March that did not address the questions put to the SFA in July 2015 and at the time
of writing it is fair to say the baw is oan the slates, but the situation is fluid and developments can be read on Celtic Quick News http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/ or on Twitter under @Auldheid.

Q 7) Is there another side to this story?

I don’t know about side but Scotland is some country when it takes the contortions that have happened since 2011 to minimise the impact of years of cheating from 2000 and then turn the world inside out to try and make those contortions appear normal.

This whole farce is as much if not more of an ethical issue and the lack of ethics at play is a sad reflection on our game, those running it in particular and our society in general.

From the original Q & A that has been amended as above since posting see : http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/doing-your-talking-on-the-park/comment-page-12/#comments


Thanks for the clarity Auldyin, and good luck in your continuing battle, it's been a long drag.

I, along with many I know, will be willing to contribute to any fund required to keep this on track.

Only in Scotland.
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I didn`t say they are the same club. I said they are still the huns. they are still the huns, same name, same shirts, same mob, same fans, same songbook.

Yes they were liquidated and have started again. But they are the same huns.
Different turd, same flies :thumbsup:
Turd and flies is the best way to describe the situation.

You can despise the long standing hun support - since they are the same huns; but the team is a new team. The reason this is important is not just because they get so upset about it (although that is an added bonus) but it is that they are a new club because they died through overspending. If we don't recognise this, then East Stirling might as well buy Messi, Ronaldo, Vardy, Forster, Ozil, Mueller, Roberts and Larsson Jr :naught: , and then fail to pay anyone else, and then do it again every few years.

R12 is important since it implies that the SFA were complicit in helping their subsidizing activities by not following their own rules and UEFA rules.
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As much as Deila is a dud and has to be removed ASAP, we shouldn't tolerate our recent transfer record any further.

13 Strikers signed since summer 2011:

Mohamed Bangura
Pawel Brozek (loan)
Miku (loan)
Lassad Nouioui
Amido Balde
Teemu Pukki
Holmbert Fridjonsson
Leigh Griffiths
Stefan Scepovic
John Guidetti (loan)
Nadir Ciftci
Carlton Cole
Colin Kazim-Richards

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Do the board even give a feck? Surely there must be at least one genuine supporter on that board who is demanding to know what the feck is going on and demanding that someone be held to account for performances and for our abysmal signing policy.
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