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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,994 Views)
Neil Jung
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murphio
31 Jul 2014, 03:36 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:32 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 03:23 PM

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Sorry, that last bit is just bollocks. You think Lennon's best team would have 'smashed' Wim Jansen's?

Jansen's team was worse off points-wise than the season before with Burns at the helm. Jansen is the probably luckiest manager in our history when you look back.
Points wise means nothing though Murphio as the standard of opponent was better. This is the worst Celtic squad since a couple of seasons into Fergus' reign. The worst thing is there was no need for this. Hubris has taken hold in the boardoom and we have effed it up.
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murphio
31 Jul 2014, 03:36 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:32 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:23 PM

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Sorry, that last bit is just bollocks. You think Lennon's best team would have 'smashed' Wim Jansen's?

Jansen's team was worse off points-wise than the season before with Burns at the helm. Jansen is the probably luckiest manager in our history when you look back.
In a race for the title you beat your opponents not a points tally. And we finally managed to beat the huns in important games under Jansen.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:37 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:36 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:32 PM

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Jansen's team was worse off points-wise than the season before with Burns at the helm. Jansen is the probably luckiest manager in our history when you look back.
Luckier than being the one in charge when the huns died?
I wouldnt call that luck at all - in actual fact I believe Rangers' death robbed Neil Lennon of completing his managerial legacy at Celtic purely because there was no Rangers. If anything that makes his the very opposite to 'lucky'.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:41 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:36 PM
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Jansen's team was worse off points-wise than the season before with Burns at the helm. Jansen is the probably luckiest manager in our history when you look back.
In a race for the title you beat your opponents not a points tally. And we finally managed to beat the huns in important games under Jansen.
once. pumped 3 times by them
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31 Jul 2014, 03:41 PM
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Jansen's team was worse off points-wise than the season before with Burns at the helm. Jansen is the probably luckiest manager in our history when you look back.
In a race for the title you beat your opponents not a points tally. And we finally managed to beat the huns in important games under Jansen.
We beat the hun once under Jansen and even though they were pish that year, they still gubbed us three times. It was their results against the rest that done them over.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:41 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:37 PM
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Luckier than being the one in charge when the huns died?
I wouldnt call that luck at all - in actual fact I believe Rangers' death robbed Neil Lennon of completing his managerial legacy at Celtic purely because there was no Rangers. If anything that makes his the very opposite to 'lucky'.
it certainly made his european achievement all the more impressive, trying to convince players to come here when the league was as unattractive as its ever been and placed wildly unrealistic expecatations on him.

could argue it either way
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Jansen's team would comfortably beat our current team. I agree that team was fortunate, as seen with the low points tally, that the huns were dead on their feet but look at our strike force:

Leigh Griffiths. Anthony Stokes. Amido Balde. Teemu Pukki.

It's the worst since the early 90s two decades ago :ffs:
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Mubo Loravcik
31 Jul 2014, 03:47 PM
Jansen's team would comfortably beat our current team. I agree that team was fortunate, as seen with the low points tally, that the huns were dead on their feet but look at our strike force:

Leigh Griffiths. Anthony Stokes. Amido Balde. Teemu Pukki.

It's the worst since the early 90s two decades ago :ffs:
theyd definitely beat the team we currently have. our midfield and strikers would be useless
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murphio
31 Jul 2014, 03:41 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:37 PM
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Luckier than being the one in charge when the huns died?
I wouldnt call that luck at all - in actual fact I believe Rangers' death robbed Neil Lennon of completing his managerial legacy at Celtic purely because there was no Rangers. If anything that makes his the very opposite to 'lucky'.
Broadly agree with this. History will remember Lennon as the manager who was handed three titles on a plate. Not his fault of course, but that's the way it is. It's one of the reasons he'll struggle to get a top job in England as no-one down there really knows how to judge the winner of a one horse race.
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I also think Jansen is judged a bit more kindly than perhaps is merited given the passage of time and, perfectly understandably, the significance of stopping the deid mob winning TIAR. Certainly was under a different type of pressure to other Celtic managers before and after but still struggled badly in head-to-heads with Smith who was no great shakes as a tactician and increasingly out of ideas that term to boot.

Worth remembering though that in 1997 we could go to the reigning European club champions and pick up their first choice central midfielder for £1.75m. That's the biggest change between then and now.

Lennon's team at their very peak could probably give more than a good account of themselves against the 97-98 side and it'd be hard to call a winner.

But this pretendy soccernomics rump of a squad we're currently left with would get absolutely pummelled.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:09 PM
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"the current generation who are having it as good as celtic have had in 30+ years"

Are you serious? :ponder:
what generations have been better?
The generation who grew up watching MON's team certainly had it better than this one.

I'd also suggest that the generation who grew up watching Hay and Cesar's teams probably had it better than this one too.

Depending on how small a football generation actually is, then I'd say that only 1990-95 would be less enjoyable than the current situation.
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I don't think Jansen is over-rated at all. He arrived late in the summer and went on to win 2 of the 3 available domestic trophies and was desperately unlucky to lose to Liverpool on away goals in Europe. He also made the most significant signing of the past 40 years. Not bad considering how little time he had to mould that team together. We even lost the first two games of the season as we were trying to play catch-up after a calamitous summer.
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Making team of any other 6 players(within reason) with a spine of Rieper, Stubbs, Lambert, Burley and Henrik would effing horse this effing shambles of a team we have right now.
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Wanting Celtic to be better than the current shambles isn't being spoilt. It's not even being unreasonable, and comparing the side to what it was in years gone by doesn't change that.
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Of course Lennon was lucky that the huns died. There's no guarantee that they'd have won the league (although if they'd got rid of McCoist they might well have done), but they'd certainly have given us more competition than we had. Their absence also allowed us the luxury of basically ignoring the league until Christmas during the one season that Lennon's team really did well in Europe.

He's unlucky that there are some who'll see his achievements as lessened by their absence, but if they'd been able to carry on as they were without worrying about such things as paying their debts then I don't think he'd have had quite as many achievements to boast about.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:10 PM
Lennon spoke well there, and didn't succumb to the easy dig. :thumbsup:
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31 Jul 2014, 04:15 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:10 PM
Lennon spoke well there, and didn't succumb to the easy dig. :thumbsup:
I wish he had spoken out when it would have made a difference.
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31 Jul 2014, 04:18 PM
I wish he had spoken out when it would have made a difference.
Yup. Utterly effing pointless now.
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Not seen it posted, so apologies if it has been. But this blog is making some rather worrying accusations:

@footballisfixed 7h
We will release a blog post on the Legia Warszawa v Celtic match this evening at http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/
No further communication until then.

FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h
And why on earth are people high up at Celtic betting AGAINST their team?
Profiting from abysmal performances takes the piss out of fans.


FOOTBALL is FIXED @footballisfixed · 9h
Why is there nobody in Celtic hierarchy to assess key match inputs like refs?
Why was no work done on Van Boekel?
Millions lost...
...again
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