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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,710 Views)
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oneillsrevolution
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11 Mar 2016, 07:55 PM
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but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
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- jamiebhoy76
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- SwavBhoy
- 11 Mar 2016, 09:48 AM
I heard a wee rumour yesterday that Lawwell is for the off at the end of the season. 
Personal reasons
Does lynching come under personal reasons. Would probably suit Lawwell perfectly to leave after this season. The team, support and club standing obliterated all to ensure his bonus is paid and his financials look good. Doesn't have to deal with the R12 issue, doesn't have to deal with any of the other hun/SFA wrongdoing and then when he steps away he gets to live in peace with a small fortune. The guy has never put anything on the line for us or stuck his neck out once for us, and he's did it with a smile on his face. eff you Lawwell, eff you. 'Small'?
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Dannybhoy95
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11 Mar 2016, 08:11 PM
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- SwavBhoy
- 11 Mar 2016, 01:02 PM
He might not want to and may have been told to. As much as I hope he effs off. I'm sorry, man. I just don't believe your rumour.
Why would Desmond suddenly tell him to do one? Bizzare and out of left field. However that's more or less been the narrative over the past 2-2.5 years.
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paulfg42
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12 Mar 2016, 12:14 AM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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- CelticTigress
- 11 Mar 2016, 12:57 PM
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here: This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA. In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed. Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence. Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC. This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration. I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course. However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC. I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011. The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board. It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA. At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response. Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee. As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA. There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence. Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA. Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved. What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC. If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support. However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice. That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.” - See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/res-12-the-journey-so-far-and-the-journey-to-come/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.JBHdqZrE.dpuf Who wrote this? (CQN website is down at the mo)
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Wee Ed KTF
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12 Mar 2016, 12:24 AM
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BRTH wrote it.
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paulfg42
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12 Mar 2016, 12:26 AM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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- Wee Ed KTF
- 12 Mar 2016, 12:24 AM
BRTH wrote it. Cheers
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aldo
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12 Mar 2016, 01:31 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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Clearly, BRTH is mindful of the need to keep the Club onside, so his words have been carefully selected to kibosh any suggestion it may have been unhelpful in the matter, but having stated the club's wish for the shareholders to pursue the matter, now we really need an explanation of the Club's rationale.
The SFA are hiding behind the excuse of only being prepared to deal with the Club. Will UEFA be different? Unless it's sectarian singing that has been reported to it, or fannies using flares in the full view of officials and TV camaras, UEFA have made it clear over the years it is not interested in getting involved in the peculiar shenanigans that go on in this culturally backward football backwater. UEFA too, I fear, would be only too happy to dismiss any representation by shareholders, so the Celtic board must explain it's decision not to petition the SFA or UEFA directly, especially as the possibility of a time barr has now appeared out of nowhere.
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LoveCeltic
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12 Mar 2016, 03:13 PM
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- Zurawski 7
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- 10 Mar 2016, 02:39 PM
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No, the club's in the shampoo and they'd rather sing about Efe Ambrose's ballon d'Or. My bad.
the last time they had a banner against the board plenty of the home support booed it whilst many on here slated them for it I dont think it was actually booed. Not where i was sitting anyway.
There was a lot on here with faux moral outrage though.
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Quiet Assasin
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12 Mar 2016, 07:01 PM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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the last time they had a banner against the board plenty of the home support booed it whilst many on here slated them for it
I dont think it was actually booed. Not where i was sitting anyway. There was a lot on here with faux moral outrage though. There was a bit of booing coming from the Main Stand/Celtic End
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CaltonBhoy1967
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12 Mar 2016, 07:18 PM
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Billy McNeill - "Mr Celtic"
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The Board can see the apathy with their own eyes - Even today at Firhill in the whole of the Jackie Husband Stand there was hardly a murmur from the Celtic Support until we were 2-0 up - We were being out sung by Thistle fans which wasn't difficult tbh as there was none from the Celtic fans - The general feeling amongst the diehards (for want of a better word) is there is no real enjoyment in watching this team, to somehow try and get over the line in the league, beat the Manky Mob Mk2 and hopefully win the Cup and then get Ronny on his way and see were we go from there which is basically back to the drawing board - Two seasons wasted and the loss of a real fortune with failure in Europe and way too many abject shambolic signings.
They really have to do something.
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McStay
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12 Mar 2016, 07:38 PM
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- Quiet Assasin
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I dont think it was actually booed. Not where i was sitting anyway. There was a lot on here with faux moral outrage though.
There was a bit of booing coming from the Main Stand There's a surprise
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12 Mar 2016, 07:52 PM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season
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12 Mar 2016, 07:54 PM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season A double double.
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12 Mar 2016, 08:50 PM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season That won't change a thing.
Kinda like being pissed off at the local shop that imports cheap crap and finding joy when they sack two shelf stackers as some sign that quality will improve.
The business model will not change.
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12 Mar 2016, 08:54 PM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season
That won't change a thing. Kinda like being pissed off at the local shop that imports cheap crap and finding joy when they sack two shelf stackers as some sign that quality will improve. The business model will not change. Don't you think? I'm guessing a new manager and sevco arriving might bring some change. Obviously it will have to be within our means seeing as we just chucked £40 million down the drain, surely we're not prepared to chuck another £20mill away?
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12 Mar 2016, 08:56 PM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season
That won't change a thing. Kinda like being pissed off at the local shop that imports cheap crap and finding joy when they sack two shelf stackers as some sign that quality will improve. The business model will not change. The overall spend will remain same but if lawwell goes I think bd will say the director of football role goes back into manager remit -especially if like of moyes or keane come in
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12 Mar 2016, 08:59 PM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season
That won't change a thing. Kinda like being pissed off at the local shop that imports cheap crap and finding joy when they sack two shelf stackers as some sign that quality will improve. The business model will not change. Not sure how the business model can change that much. We are hamstrung by the lack of money from TV in Scotland. We need to continue to live within our means or are you advocating going much deeper in to debt? New people with fresh ideas might shake things up but the biggest problem is the football department that wastes huge sums of money on guys who either don't get played or end up on loan elsewhere. The signing of umpteen forwards who come and disappear without trace has cost us a fortune as has the collection of about 15 attacking midfielders! We desperately need a real, experienced guy to come in and gut the squad while adding a couple of players with a bit of experience in the right positions.. As things stand we don't have one genuine holding player on the books let alone in the team! To do well in Europe that has to be sorted ASAP- and a 17 year old Norwegian probably isn't the answer Get the right guy and then back him as much as we can. That means guys in and out, to rebalance the team and squad!
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13 Mar 2016, 01:01 AM
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season
That won't change a thing. Kinda like being pissed off at the local shop that imports cheap crap and finding joy when they sack two shelf stackers as some sign that quality will improve. The business model will not change.
Not sure how the business model can change that much. We are hamstrung by the lack of money from TV in Scotland. We need to continue to live within our means or are you advocating going much deeper in to debt? New people with fresh ideas might shake things up but the biggest problem is the football department that wastes huge sums of money on guys who either don't get played or end up on loan elsewhere. The signing of umpteen forwards who come and disappear without trace has cost us a fortune as has the collection of about 15 attacking midfielders! We desperately need a real, experienced guy to come in and gut the squad while adding a couple of players with a bit of experience in the right positions.. As things stand we don't have one genuine holding player on the books let alone in the team! To do well in Europe that has to be sorted ASAP- and a 17 year old Norwegian probably isn't the answer Get the right guy and then back him as much as we can. That means guys in and out, to rebalance the team and squad! I think it's new people with fresh ideas are desperately needed at our club!!
Our club's crying out for that at board level.
Yes, there's many constraints in Scottish football (many) - but we need people at board level who are determined to fight and work around those constraints and then strive to take our club back to a level where it should realistically be (which in my mind, is at least, regularly getting beyond Christmas in Europe as a start).
At the moment we are going backward at an alarming rate... and having watched our win against Partick Thistle today only reinforces that thought.
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paulfg42
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13 Mar 2016, 01:07 AM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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There was a bit of booing coming from the Main Stand
There's a surprise It was from the Celtic End, where a lot of the booing of the team has come from recently, so they may have changed their minds.
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Quiet Assasin
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13 Mar 2016, 02:26 AM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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There's a surprise
It was from the Celtic End, where a lot of the booing of the team has come from recently, so they may have changed their minds. To be fair I said Main Stand/Celtic End in my original post
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13 Mar 2016, 03:59 AM
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I'll take 2 of those feckin sheep giraffes please
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Lawwell out along with Deila will be the dream end to the season
That won't change a thing. Kinda like being pissed off at the local shop that imports cheap crap and finding joy when they sack two shelf stackers as some sign that quality will improve. The business model will not change. I'm not sure it's the business model itself which needs to change - we clearly need to maintain some form of solvency - the decisions made under that model definitely need to change. Some of the shampooe we've signed in recent seasons has been eyewatering. How on Earth do we keep getting pumped by shampooe teams whose players cost far less than any of the dross we have on the books for example.
Having someone who is good at identifying talent alongside someone who just enables that person would be good. We seem to have Park on a slow decent into blindness (metaphorically) alongside Lawwell on a director of football power trip.
WTF pulls the strings when it comes to picking which players we sign?
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