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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
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Well it worked for the Liverpool supporters . 😶
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
:ponder: Except Liverpool backed down.
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Don't like the sound of what is, or isn't, happening re res 12. And by not liking the sound I mean not setting foot in Celtic park again if our board accept the cheating by the deceased club and the SFA over the DOS.

I don't mind the club taking time over the ebts - we will only get one more chance of overturning the nimmo smith charade and as the odds of doing so will improve great ly the ebts are finally confirmed as the stinking fraud they were. So I am fine with the club bidding their time their - and fully expect them to step up the mark when the time comes.

However if there is an end of month deadline over res 12 then the time for the board to step on this issue is now - and I want to see them step up. I could live with them losing - but not running away.

Has anything been heard from auldheid who I regard as the definitive source on res 12 issues?
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10 Mar 2016, 07:58 PM
Suggestion today that fewer than 35k season tickets sold.
This season? :suspect:

Or are these next season estimates?
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Don't like the sound of what is, or isn't, happening re res 12. And by not liking the sound I mean not setting foot in Celtic park again if our board accept the cheating by the deceased club and the SFA over the DOS.

I don't mind the club taking time over the ebts - we will only get one more chance of overturning the nimmo smith charade and as the odds of doing so will improve great ly the ebts are finally confirmed as the stinking fraud they were. So I am fine with the club bidding their time their - and fully expect them to step up the mark when the time comes.

However if there is an end of month deadline over res 12 then the time for the board to step on this issue is now - and I want to see them step up. I could live with them losing - but not running away.

Has anything been heard from auldheid who I regard as the definitive source on res 12 issues?
Couple of interactions on his Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/Auldheid
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
:ponder: Except Liverpool backed down.
Liverpool (and every other team in the Premier League) could give away tickets for free, and still turn a huge profit each year. In fact, I remember Aston Villa gave away a load of free season tickets a few seasons back - and I'm sure other clubs have done similar in England.

But in Scotland it's a hugely different - ticket money makes up a far more significant percentage of the club's income. Especially more so, now that they've reduced the quality of the playing and management side to the extent that future TV or Champions League revenue is a distant dream.

And don't let the Liverpool "backing down" thing fool you. Liverpool will make back that difference - and more - by simply increases costs in other areas of the stadium, or corporate side of things. They "backed down" for the cost of good publicity. There's no way they're backing down from the potential revenue they've lost from capping ticket prices.
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:ponder: Except Liverpool backed down.
Liverpool (and every other team in the Premier League) could give away tickets for free, and still turn a huge profit each year. In fact, I remember Aston Villa gave away a load of free season tickets a few seasons back - and I'm sure other clubs have done similar in England.

But in Scotland it's a hugely different - ticket money makes up a far more significant percentage of the club's income. Especially more so, now that they've reduced the quality of the playing and management side to the extent that future TV or Champions League revenue is a distant dream.

And don't let the Liverpool "backing down" thing fool you. Liverpool will make back that difference - and more - by simply increases costs in other areas of the stadium, or corporate side of things. They "backed down" for the cost of good publicity. There's no way they're backing down from the potential revenue they've lost from capping ticket prices.
Is that PL talking hard sell , with ST renewals coming up . On your bike .
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
The majority of match go-ers are season ticket holders who long since paid their money in what is a gesture of belief in and loyalty to their club. For such people to leave a match en masse in a coordinated protest would be recognised as an emphatic expression of their disgust, and would send a clear statement of their intent to pursue change. And, crucially, it could not be ignored or denied by Lawwell.

The club can claim the absence of ST holders being so sickened they can barely muster up the will to attend a match (then leave for home at half time because it's so bad - aye, that's me I'm talking about) can be down to any number of spurious reasons they have invented to disguise the truth, but a walk out would be referred to by every reporter in the ground, and broadcast on TV. And the sponsors would not like that one bit...
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10 Mar 2016, 10:44 PM
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
The majority of match go-ers are season ticket holders who long since paid their money in what is a gesture of belief in and loyalty to their club. For such people to leave a match en masse in a coordinated protest would be recognised as an emphatic expression of their disgust, and would send a clear statement of their intent to pursue change. And, crucially, it could not be ignored or denied by Lawwell.

The club can claim the absence of ST holders being so sickened they can barely muster up the will to attend a match (then leave for home at half time because it's so bad - aye, that's me I'm talking about) can be down to any number of spurious reasons they have invented to disguise the truth, but a walk out would be referred to by every reporter in the ground, and broadcast on TV. And the sponsors would not like that one bit...
Sadly with this *sigh* title race, there's far too many happy clappers for any organised walkout or protest to commence.

"We all need to stick together, see the bhoys over the line, faithful through and through!" :ynwa:
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The only way to hurt the board is to hit them in the pocket.. Cut the cash lifeline.
Apparently the most effective way is to pay the club money to get into the stadium, then leave before the end. Just like Liverpool fans :loel:
The majority of match go-ers are season ticket holders who long since paid their money in what is a gesture of belief in and loyalty to their club. For such people to leave a match en masse in a coordinated protest would be recognised as an emphatic expression of their disgust, and would send a clear statement of their intent to pursue change. And, crucially, it could not be ignored or denied by Lawwell.

The club can claim the absence of ST holders being so sickened they can barely muster up the will to attend a match (then leave for home at half time because it's so bad - aye, that's me I'm talking about) can be down to any number of spurious reasons they have invented to disguise the truth, but a walk out would be referred to by every reporter in the ground, and broadcast on TV. And the sponsors would not like that one bit...
What would it matter to the board if thousands of season ticket holders walked out early? Likewise, what would it matter to them that some season ticket holder demonstrated an 'intent' to maybe not renew their season ticket next year? It's doesn't matter a single bit - the money is already sitting in the club's account, and lining Lawwell's pockets.

If the demonstration of 25k falling off the average attendance at Parkhead wasn't enough to pique the interest of the board in the feelings of the fans - then a few thousand walking out early (after they've already paid the club) is just daft.
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The board's ultimate hope is we'll stagger over the line and win the league. Maybe even, by some miracle, qualify for the Champions League next year (which has absolutely no chance of happening if Delia is still in charge). They are banking on enough people buying season tickets to guarantee 2 home matches against the huns. That's the actual fanbase they need to appeal to now. And if you're the type of fan they want to appeal to, then that's the type they'll get. And they'll continue to take for granted that the head-in-the-sand brigade will faithfully stump up another year's season money in advance, to allow them to justify and continue the way they're currently running the club.
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The majority of match go-ers are season ticket holders who long since paid their money in what is a gesture of belief in and loyalty to their club. For such people to leave a match en masse in a coordinated protest would be recognised as an emphatic expression of their disgust, and would send a clear statement of their intent to pursue change. And, crucially, it could not be ignored or denied by Lawwell.

The club can claim the absence of ST holders being so sickened they can barely muster up the will to attend a match (then leave for home at half time because it's so bad - aye, that's me I'm talking about) can be down to any number of spurious reasons they have invented to disguise the truth, but a walk out would be referred to by every reporter in the ground, and broadcast on TV. And the sponsors would not like that one bit...
What would it matter to the board if thousands of season ticket holders walked out early? Likewise, what would it matter to them that some season ticket holder demonstrated an 'intent' to maybe not renew their season ticket next year? It's doesn't matter a single bit - the money is already sitting in the club's account, and lining Lawwell's pockets.

If the demonstration of 25k falling off the average attendance at Parkhead wasn't enough to pique the interest of the board in the feelings of the fans - then a few thousand walking out early (after they've already paid the club) is just daft.
But maybe the media will ask questions why we walked


I will not be renewing my 3 season books nothing to do with the manager or players but the board
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The majority of match go-ers are season ticket holders who long since paid their money in what is a gesture of belief in and loyalty to their club. For such people to leave a match en masse in a coordinated protest would be recognised as an emphatic expression of their disgust, and would send a clear statement of their intent to pursue change. And, crucially, it could not be ignored or denied by Lawwell.

The club can claim the absence of ST holders being so sickened they can barely muster up the will to attend a match (then leave for home at half time because it's so bad - aye, that's me I'm talking about) can be down to any number of spurious reasons they have invented to disguise the truth, but a walk out would be referred to by every reporter in the ground, and broadcast on TV. And the sponsors would not like that one bit...
What would it matter to the board if thousands of season ticket holders walked out early? Likewise, what would it matter to them that some season ticket holder demonstrated an 'intent' to maybe not renew their season ticket next year? It's doesn't matter a single bit - the money is already sitting in the club's account, and lining Lawwell's pockets.

If the demonstration of 25k falling off the average attendance at Parkhead wasn't enough to pique the interest of the board in the feelings of the fans - then a few thousand walking out early (after they've already paid the club) is just daft.
That's your opinion ,fair enough .
But people are entitled to protest in whatever way they want as long as it's peaceful and nobody gets hurt ,except the millionaires that run the club to enhance their ego . From what I have observed over the years the avenues of demonstrating ones grievances in public are limited at football games especially in Scotland ,so I think a walk out is the only way ,as demonstrated by Liverpool where there was no violence as far as I am aware .
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10 Mar 2016, 10:14 PM
Don't like the sound of what is, or isn't, happening re res 12. And by not liking the sound I mean not setting foot in Celtic park again if our board accept the cheating by the deceased club and the SFA over the DOS.

I don't mind the club taking time over the ebts - we will only get one more chance of overturning the nimmo smith charade and as the odds of doing so will improve great ly the ebts are finally confirmed as the stinking fraud they were. So I am fine with the club bidding their time their - and fully expect them to step up the mark when the time comes.

However if there is an end of month deadline over res 12 then the time for the board to step on this issue is now - and I want to see them step up. I could live with them losing - but not running away.

Has anything been heard from auldheid who I regard as the definitive source on res 12 issues?
Auldheid's been tweeting all day about it..
The twitterer who goes by the name of moo_ted also has some interesting tweets.

Some further thoughts on this after a second reading:

Were the board offering encouragement to the shareholders involved, advising them to present their
evidence to the SFA and now to UEFA, fully aware that both organisations wouldn't deal directly with them,
thus dragging the whole thing out to the point we're at now where it could very well be time barred ?

Did they hope this would happen, and why ?
Their inaction on this ( and all the other issues around Deidco & Sevco ) is beyond comprehension.
What is the end game here ?

Do the board think we're only joshing around re the Rangers/Sevco debacle and we secretly want them " back " ?
Do they think because we love to laugh at their travails that we're not serious about seeing justice done?
Do they seriously expect us to continue to fund a rigged game, and look the other way when incontrovertible evidence
of said rigging is revealed? Which seems to be what THEY are prepared to do.
Do they know how many Chanel bags I could have bought with the money we've spent supporting CELTIC at
home and abroad ? :lol:
Bit of levity there, but serious point. What could we all have done with the money we've spent on CFC. ?

If they have people monitoring social media today then they're in for a very big shock come season ticket renewal
time.

Mr Diva is the very epitome of the " faithful through and through " supporter, and I would have thought you'd have to prise
his season ticket from his cold dead hand as the only means of preventing him going to games, but he's now considering
giving up all 4 investor level tickets, as are many of his group of match day friends.

No matter how bad the product on the field was / is he'd never give up, and brought our son up to be the same.
He's arranged our holidays and his business life around the fixtures list, on one famous ocassion missing two days of an, ahem important business trip, aka a freebie. It was the replay against Falkirk in one of the cups ( 1997 IIRC )
I tell you this to illustrate how far and wide the effects of this inaction will travel and the type of supporter that will be lost.
I'm sure all of you have similar stories.

Hope you have an uncomfortable evening reading this Peter, a more formal and detailed letter will be winging its way
to you shortly. Enjoy.


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To be honest about it I don't think I'll ever be back in Glasgow again . I've met some great people over the years , gone all over Europe , ST for years and years but a person has to say stop to the bullshampoo eventually , it's just not fun anymore . I don't know how many people have told me that they don't even watch the games anymore ,some fellas say they fell asleep . PC has a hand to play in this also , it has gone way over the top . It's been used by millionaires to make more money , All seater stadiums etc . all the grounds around Europe are half empty except theEPL . That will change also . In a nutshell Celtic aren't worth the price of a flight .
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:ponder: Except Liverpool backed down.
Liverpool (and every other team in the Premier League) could give away tickets for free, and still turn a huge profit each year. In fact, I remember Aston Villa gave away a load of free season tickets a few seasons back - and I'm sure other clubs have done similar in England.

But in Scotland it's a hugely different - ticket money makes up a far more significant percentage of the club's income. Especially more so, now that they've reduced the quality of the playing and management side to the extent that future TV or Champions League revenue is a distant dream.

And don't let the Liverpool "backing down" thing fool you. Liverpool will make back that difference - and more - by simply increases costs in other areas of the stadium, or corporate side of things. They "backed down" for the cost of good publicity. There's no way they're backing down from the potential revenue they've lost from capping ticket prices.
As you say, ticket money is is a big factor in the economics of the EPL. The Liverpool owners won't need to desperately claw back the concession they just made.
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Who are all these folk waiting in the wings gasping to buy a season ticket the minute newhuns are in the league? Sounds like another Lawwell gamble. And as reliable a gamble as the Deila appointment.
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Who are all these folk waiting in the wings gasping to buy a season ticket the minute newhuns are in the league? Sounds like another Lawwell gamble. And as reliable a gamble as the Deila appointment.
They'll be bringing back the 'waiting list' soon :lmao:
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