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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,996 Views)
Zurawski 7
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
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31 Jul 2014, 02:20 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:06 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:03 PM

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benfica are a bigger club, play in a much better league, can afford much more expensive transfers and attract young players from south america.

its not being brainwashed to see that its not a comparable situation. we've only ever sold one player for over 10m and i doubt we will be doing it anytime soon nevermind every year
And we spent £700,000 on a project who wasn't ready to replace said £12.5m player.... :cuckoo:
Exactly, whilst making do with Charlie Mulgrew as his replacement in the meantime.
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Have a look down through the english leagues and spot all the teams that used to sup at their big table but over the years have faded from the scene. Then look at Celtic and how they have dropped from the stature they once held. Now look at the difference. For one reason or other they have fallen on bad times but not one of them have deliberately self destructed like us. Even the dead crowd across the city did not do it deliberately. We have deliberately downsized. No one at board level prepared to take a gamble. When we had what was in my opinion one of the best strike partners in the business, Larrson and Sutton, we refused to invest to turn a great team into a fantastic team and we have been on the slide ever since. We have lost three managers because the board would not back them. We tried to hire Keane cause he should be honoured to manage Celtic but the name does not work any more. Much as I dislike Keane, I will grant him this much, he is nobody's yes man. He would have wanted full control over buying and selling and a budget to work from. He was not for getting that so he snubs us to become assistant at Villa. There was a time when only a fool would have made that choice. No, our board wanted, and I believe they have got, a yes Mr Desmond, no Mr Lawell, Three bags full Mr Park, forelock touching lackey. How I hope I am wrong but its what I have been thinking since RD got the job but did not want to say out loud outside of my family. The future definitely is not looking green I fear
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
:lol: Totally man.
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james95
31 Jul 2014, 01:34 PM
They can go and take a flying eff to themselves. I'm completely disillusioned with the whole shambles just now.
I think many people will be in that boat today.
Edited by Mjallby Back, 31 Jul 2014, 02:30 PM.
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up in the 80s watching some very good and some truly wretched Celtic teams. But never did I hear anyone say we couldn't ever aim to compete with similar sized clubs in Portugal.
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31 Jul 2014, 12:37 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 12:20 PM
as the average football customer isn't the sharpest knife in the draw.
you are certainly providing plenty evidence of that. :thumbsup:
Did he actually write that?

An oracle indeed.
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up with a European cup, defeated finalists and always in there with the best Europe had to offer. I really believed we were back in Europe in the run to Seville but we decided to stop where we were, after all we have to think about the balance sheet. Well, in football, you cant stand still. If you are not moving forward then you are going backwards. Just ask all the teams who used to be the best in England who are way down the rankings now because they couldn't invest. We could, just choose not to
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up when we won the league regularly. Other guys grew up when we won the European Cup. You grew up when we struggled to win the League Cup. No doubt some other guys grew up under the success of MON.

There isn't a single generation which is the correct one for people to measure their expectations against.

Would it not make more sense to look at the current situation and form an opinion of it based on it's own merits?
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31 Jul 2014, 02:35 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up when we won the league regularly. Other guys grew up when we won the European Cup. You grew up when we struggled to win the League Cup. No doubt some other guys grew up under the success of MON.

There isn't a single generation which is the correct one for people to measure their expectations against.

Would it not make more sense to look at the current situation and form an opinion of it based on it's own merits?
'You were lucky to have a room, we used to have live in the corridor.'
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Quiet Assasin sums things up perfectly regarding the board:

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12662169&t=8880981

It's not that the PLC inherently 'doesn't work', it's the way the current 'custodians' are behaving.

I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint horrid politicians implicated in illegal wars, and who counts genocidal war criminals as friends.

I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't appoint a Conservative Lord to the board whilst his party is dismantling the state and throwing our constituents back to Dickensian levels of poverty.

I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't wilfully leave its employees in poverty.

I'd rather like a PLC who don't collude with the coppers to harass young guys and treat them like dirt.

I'd rather like a PLC who doesn't tell barefaced lies to the guys paying their wages.

I'd rather like a PLC who don't give patronising 'we ARE Celtic supporters' when the idea of having greater fan representation is mooted.

And that's even before I start considering their wilful vandalism of the football team.
Edited by Stephane_Mahe, 31 Jul 2014, 02:41 PM.
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idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 02:35 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up when we won the league regularly. Other guys grew up when we won the European Cup. You grew up when we struggled to win the League Cup. No doubt some other guys grew up under the success of MON.

There isn't a single generation which is the correct one for people to measure their expectations against.

Would it not make more sense to look at the current situation and form an opinion of it based on it's own merits?
Jim, you're the real life Atticus Finch aren't you?

Too much sense. Too much reason.
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idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 02:35 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up when we won the league regularly. Other guys grew up when we won the European Cup. You grew up when we struggled to win the League Cup. No doubt some other guys grew up under the success of MON.

There isn't a single generation which is the correct one for people to measure their expectations against.

Would it not make more sense to look at the current situation and form an opinion of it based on it's own merits?
No, this is science dammit!

Where Y = Value of opinion

(Year Born/Cost of season book) = (Number of away games attended x Y)
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31 Jul 2014, 02:22 PM
idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 01:54 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 01:27 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Porto are actually are a similar size to us.

What we need to do is spend a wee bit more on the replacement than we paid for the guy we've just sold. Then when we punt him, our selling price should have a similar uplift.

That's the theory.

Instead, we spend less on the replacement, and get less money when we sell him further down the line. We dilute the quality of our team with every round of this process.

The vast majority of our signings are cut-price downgrades on the person they're replacing. And we've been doing this for almost a decade. It's a feckin miracle that we've managed the occasional decent showing in Europe.
You are bang on here. We buy Hooper for c. £2m and sell him for c. £6m (and we probably should have sold him earlier and got more). Rather than spending £3m or £4m on his replacement (with an eye on turning that into £10m after a few years), we spunked the same amount on Pukki, Griffiths and Balde, none of whom are as good as Hooper and none of whom have any real significant sell-on value.
Absolutely. Can't remember who it was who initially said it (may well have been Idyllwild?), but the general thrust was that the strategy was fine, but the execution of it was pure gash. Hard to argue with that.
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31 Jul 2014, 02:45 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:22 PM
idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 01:54 PM

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You are bang on here. We buy Hooper for c. £2m and sell him for c. £6m (and we probably should have sold him earlier and got more). Rather than spending £3m or £4m on his replacement (with an eye on turning that into £10m after a few years), we spunked the same amount on Pukki, Griffiths and Balde, none of whom are as good as Hooper and none of whom have any real significant sell-on value.
Absolutely. Can't remember who it was who initially said it (may well have been Idyllwild?), but the general thrust was that the strategy was fine, but the execution of it was pure gash. Hard to argue with that.
The profits made on Wanyama and Hooper went where?

Zero purpose in having a system that sells the best players from under a manager, and he's given feck all to replace them.
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31 Jul 2014, 01:43 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 01:28 PM
All I can see is these frustrating circular problems.

The budget for buying decent players is limited because crowds are dwindling. Crowds are dwindling because the team is shampooe.

We can't attract good players without the Champions League. We struggle to qualify for the Champions League because we don't have good players.

I really don't know the answer.
These are the typical sorts of problems business boards throughout the country face daily. Nothing unique at all.

The answer is to engage a board who have the skills, experience and mind sets to overcome the problems.

I wish our board would note that complacency is not a business strategy, nor is hope.
Yeah I agree, to be fair I said I don't know the answer, which doesn't say much :lol:

I certainly expect a decent board would do more.
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31 Jul 2014, 02:35 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:24 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up when we won the league regularly. Other guys grew up when we won the European Cup. You grew up when we struggled to win the League Cup. No doubt some other guys grew up under the success of MON.

There isn't a single generation which is the correct one for people to measure their expectations against.

Would it not make more sense to look at the current situation and form an opinion of it based on it's own merits?
not when you're trying to feel sorry for the current generation who are having it as good as celtic have had in 30+ years
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When the attendances are 15k in November hopefully there will be a board shakeup
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30 Jul 2014, 08:10 AM
Chickens are gathering in Glasgow today - might be walking up London road tonight
Didn't see the shambles-heard the highlights !!

PL has to go -he's an arrogant fool who treats Celtic as his toy
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31 Jul 2014, 02:32 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 02:17 PM
I just find it depressing that a generation of Celtic fans is growing up with such limited expectations. We're becoming like the Scotland national team, happy just to be competing but no prospects of doing anything but making up the numbers.
compared to what generation? i grew up dreaming of winning the league cup nevermind thinking about competing with the best of europe

the current generation dont know how lucky they have it
I grew up in the 80s watching some very good and some truly wretched Celtic teams. But never did I hear anyone say we couldn't ever aim to compete with similar sized clubs in Portugal.
benfica arent similar sized. they are a lot bigger in a much better league. porto won 2 european trophies in the 80s

i think people need to be a lot more realistic about were we stand as a club these days
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