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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,724 Views)
taxibhoy
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Tam Haas
3 Mar 2016, 11:04 AM
The silence from the board is almost as infuriating as knowing Ronny is still the manager.

I'd honestly love to know on what grounds he's still here & what do they see happening.

I can only assume they don't care or have no idea what to do, so are just hoping for the best. I won't give them the credit for having someone lined up for next season, so I don't see that as being a reason.
I suspect this.
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This has been coming for years. It will continue unless the fans look past Deila and target their anger at the board, Lawwell & Desmond. If the only change at the club is Deila then its just a rinse & repeat. We might improve on the pitch but we won't progress to where we could do with a bit of ambition. The club have looked to Scandinavia and have been successful in turning us into a run of the mill team.
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fatboab
3 Mar 2016, 11:03 AM
This Board needs a total overhaul. We need fresh blood from top to bottom. The decline we have witnessed in the last few years would have seen any corporate Board dismantled. The cold hard fact is that Celtic is the plaything of an absentee Landlord and an Accountant, and nothing that happens on the pitch matters as long as cocktails with Rod Stewart are on the agenda.
Lawwell has outstayed his welcome by some years now. He claims otherwise, but he has no idea how deep the feelings of the fans run, and how disenchanted we are. The level of disconnect between the club and it's support is as wide as it has been since the death throes of the Kelly/White era.
That he has the total support of the main shareholder and the Board should be a cause for grave concern. There is not one solitary dissenting voice amongst the decision makers. That is terrifying.
We have missed the greatest open goal we have ever been given, and we will live to regret it. Nothing will change unless everything changes.
They are lazy and incompetent bastards and have gotten away with it because the huns died and are no a threat to us.

I remember watching a documentary about a wolf pack in captivity and the keepers played sound recordings of another wolf pack howling at night to make them think there was competition nearby. This kept them breeding, active and alert - otherwise the wolves just got lazy and sat on their arses all day waiting for food because they were under no danger.

Our board members have had no competition, they rubber stamp each others bonuses, rate each others performance and generally pick up a serious amount of wedge that they wouldn't get at another company of our size.

They had a golden opportunity to build for the future and whilst I think they showed a bit of guts trying a new approach, they tried to do it on the cheap, they cut corners and they made a complete carrot of it. They also refused point blank to admit their mistake when it was glaringly obvious to everyone else.

I literally have no reason whatsoever to think they will get it right next time - huge clearout needed and punt the second prize merchants we have in charge just now.

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Our club are a shambles and those at the top are just as guilty as RD. They are the ones who decided to go cheap and appoint Deila yet PL still takes around £1 million from the club every year. It is sickening.

We should be miles ahead of Rangers by the time they return but we aren't. They are bad but I wouldn't even be confident beating them. That's how bad we are :(
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they'll wing it until the end of the season & hope for the best.

who knows what they'll do going into next season.

every one of them should be chased down london road if we lose this league.
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taxibhoy
3 Mar 2016, 11:16 AM
Tam Haas
3 Mar 2016, 11:04 AM
The silence from the board is almost as infuriating as knowing Ronny is still the manager.

I'd honestly love to know on what grounds he's still here & what do they see happening.

I can only assume they don't care or have no idea what to do, so are just hoping for the best. I won't give them the credit for having someone lined up for next season, so I don't see that as being a reason.
I suspect this.
Baffling silence from the board but then again they don't deign to talk to us fans very often do they.

I suspect the way the board veuws the fans (as shown by the bizarre outburst at the AGM) means they don't care what we think and won't act or even make any kind of statement. After all the balance sheet looks relatively healthy as does Lawwells bank account so all is well.

Losing the league is the stuff of nightmares but between the board and Ronny dreams might come true!



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3 Mar 2016, 10:41 AM
Genuine question.
Why does Lawwell get paid so much?
Is it almost unprecedented to pay that much to a CEO for a company our size? It certainly must be for non regular CL small nation football club.
So, on what basis is his salary calculated, it surely can't be the footballing side of the business & I can't really see it being the business side either.

Does DD just pay him well over the odds & hope that he can leave him to run everything without supervision or care.
In an era of costcutting and austerity at Celtic I can think of only one cost to the club that hasn't decreased - Lawwell's salary. While wages and transfer fees have decreased rapidly, Lawwell's salary & bonuses have went in opposite direction. As you say, a company of Celtic's size who turn over approx. £52m without CL for the CEO to pick up £1m of that is crazy. To give another example, Liverpool's CEO, Ian Ayre picks up about the same money and he presides over a turnover of approx. £300m.
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Paul__1888
3 Mar 2016, 11:21 AM
they'll wing it until the end of the season & hope for the best.

who knows what they'll do going into next season.

every one of them should be chased down london road if we lose this league.
They should be chased if we win the league as well. No matter if it's by a point or by some miracle double figures. They have continually down graded since O'Neill. At what point do we start trying to achieve again? No fan wants the club put in danger but the standard of player and coach has gotten worse gear on year. The club got lucky with Lennon who delivered despite his inexperience. To replace a first time coach they decided to go even cheaper. The same can be said for player recruitment. I'm tired of fans saying Deila & Lennon had this or that to spend. Both coaches spent less than reported and both of them work in a system where two major influences at the club are shielded from criticism because the fans are deliberately kept in the dark about what actually goes on during player recruitment.
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Anyone that thinks the board are going anywhere is off their heads. Would take mass fan protests before anything of the like will happen.

I'd love to see Lawwell, Park, Delia, Collins & Kennedy chased from the club but it won't happen.
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Charlatans, one and all.
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OptimusCheese
3 Mar 2016, 10:58 AM
If Mehmet's pal is at the bam up then you'se are all going to look awfully silly.
I'm assuming you are meaning me :ponder:

Everything I have posted is first hand info. :thumbsup:
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Celticbhoy_07
3 Mar 2016, 11:28 AM
Anyone that thinks the board are going anywhere is off their heads. Would take mass fan protests before anything of the like will happen.

I'd love to see Lawwell, Park, Delia, Collins & Kennedy chased from the club but it won't happen.
What have Collins and Kennedy done wrong to be chased? I'm not saying they should be in the jobs or are qualified but what have they done wrong to engender such feelings?
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Neil Jung
3 Mar 2016, 11:34 AM
Celticbhoy_07
3 Mar 2016, 11:28 AM
Anyone that thinks the board are going anywhere is off their heads. Would take mass fan protests before anything of the like will happen.

I'd love to see Lawwell, Park, Delia, Collins & Kennedy chased from the club but it won't happen.
What have Collins and Kennedy done wrong to be chased? I'm not saying they should be in the jobs or are qualified but what have they done wrong to engender such feelings?
Collins- fitness and motivation.

Kennedy- defensive duties.

Both are failing miserabley.

I agree with OwenyBhoy, Collins will have something to do with the bad feeling at the moment.
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Neil Jung
3 Mar 2016, 11:34 AM
Celticbhoy_07
3 Mar 2016, 11:28 AM
Anyone that thinks the board are going anywhere is off their heads. Would take mass fan protests before anything of the like will happen.

I'd love to see Lawwell, Park, Delia, Collins & Kennedy chased from the club but it won't happen.
What have Collins and Kennedy done wrong to be chased? I'm not saying they should be in the jobs or are qualified but what have they done wrong to engender such feelings?
Collins is an absolute carrot. I have a friend that played under him at Hibs who doesn't have a good word to say about him. He's part of the current problem along with Deila.

As for Kennedy he's only in the position he's in due to the sympathy over his career ending injury. Maybe under a more experienced coach he'd have been worth a punt in that role but he's our defensive coach and it's been years since I've seen a worst organised defence than the current mob especially from set pieces and counter attacks. The 3 of them need punted asap.
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I don't really understand why people think PL and the Board would be overly concerned about the state we're in.

The state we're in is a direct and totally predictable consequence of the decisions they've made since RFC killed themselves.

The "decline" we're in is the result of the pilot putting the nose down and turning the engines off.

As long as we win the league (which we probably will) and at least make it to the playoff round in the UCL (meaning we get EL when we get pumped by a club which actually has ambition and a bit of self-respect) then it's happy days.

We made £14 million this year. What else do we want?

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3 Mar 2016, 11:43 AM
I don't really understand why people think PL and the Board would be overly concerned about the state we're in.

The state we're in is a direct and totally predictable consequence of the decisions they've made since RFC killed themselves.

The "decline" we're in is the result of the pilot putting the nose down and turning the engines off.

As long as we win the league (which we probably will) and at least make it to the playoff round in the UCL (meaning we get EL when we get pumped by a club which actually has ambition and a bit of self-respect) then it's happy days.

We made £14 million this year. What else do we want?



Where to start?
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3 Mar 2016, 11:43 AM
I don't really understand why people think PL and the Board would be overly concerned about the state we're in.

The state we're in is a direct and totally predictable consequence of the decisions they've made since RFC killed themselves.

The "decline" we're in is the result of the pilot putting the nose down and turning the engines off.

As long as we win the league (which we probably will) and at least make it to the playoff round in the UCL (meaning we get EL when we get pumped by a club which actually has ambition and a bit of self-respect) then it's happy days.

We made £14 million this year. What else do we want?

Through player sales.

We don't have any assets left to punt.
Edited by Kingslim, 3 Mar 2016, 11:48 AM.
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See this idea that as Kennedy is the 'defensive coach' he is to blame for our defending - it's barmy. Do you honestly think Kennedy has enough power at the club to dictate which way the defenders will play? Do you think he has an input in the overall structure of the team and how we attack and defend? Defensive coach will mean he takes the defenders for whatever the head coach wants them to do. If the head coach wants them to work on setpieces as part of a zonal unit the coach will do as asked. If he is aked to set them up man for man he will do that to. Kennedy will have as much power as Terry McDermot or any other No 3.
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Kingslim
3 Mar 2016, 11:48 AM
LambertandButler
3 Mar 2016, 11:43 AM
I don't really understand why people think PL and the Board would be overly concerned about the state we're in.

The state we're in is a direct and totally predictable consequence of the decisions they've made since RFC killed themselves.

The "decline" we're in is the result of the pilot putting the nose down and turning the engines off.

As long as we win the league (which we probably will) and at least make it to the playoff round in the UCL (meaning we get EL when we get pumped by a club which actually has ambition and a bit of self-respect) then it's happy days.

We made £14 million this year. What else do we want?

Through player sales.

We don't have any assets left to punt.
They'd get money for Bitton and Johansen.

The success of Wanyama, VVD and Forster in the EPL makes clubs down south more likely to have a punt.


So, from the Board's point of view, it's full steam ahead.
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LambertandButler
3 Mar 2016, 11:51 AM
Kingslim
3 Mar 2016, 11:48 AM
LambertandButler
3 Mar 2016, 11:43 AM
I don't really understand why people think PL and the Board would be overly concerned about the state we're in.

The state we're in is a direct and totally predictable consequence of the decisions they've made since RFC killed themselves.

The "decline" we're in is the result of the pilot putting the nose down and turning the engines off.

As long as we win the league (which we probably will) and at least make it to the playoff round in the UCL (meaning we get EL when we get pumped by a club which actually has ambition and a bit of self-respect) then it's happy days.

We made £14 million this year. What else do we want?

Through player sales.

We don't have any assets left to punt.
They'd get money for Bitton and Johansen.

The success of Wanyama, VVD and Forster in the EPL makes clubs down south more likely to have a punt.


So, from the Board's point of view, it's full steam ahead.
Nowhere near the money we got for Wanyama, Forster & Van Dijk. We will get nearer the money we got for Hooper and given the cash windfall down there this summer that will in reality be worth about half the price.
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