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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,730 Views)
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Moey 67
18 Feb 2016, 11:31 AM
fatboab
18 Feb 2016, 11:18 AM
duffsticks
18 Feb 2016, 10:51 AM
Not sure I'm massively comfortable with the club being sponsored by a betting agency.
It's an uncomfortable truth that gambling and alcohol companies are a necessary evil in modern day advertising.

We can't afford to be too choosy when it comes to securing the best deal possible from a commercial point of view. Indeed, we have been sponsored by alcohol companies for a long time without too much opposition, so a company like Dafabet ( who I have never heard of being a non gambling sort) shouldn't be too morally repugnant for the average supporter.
I have long criticised Lawwell for being parochial in his quest for decent sponsors, so it would be hypocritical of me to oppose this move, given it sounds as if it will be financially rewarding for Celtic, and also it finally drives a massive wedge between ourselves and any other local sides who may have benefitted financially from our prominence in recent years, so that is a realbonus.
Hopefully, it delivers what it suggests, and that is a financial package which dwarves what has gone before . :pray:
It will be interesting once this deal comes to an end, and if sevco manage to get promoted (and stay alive) if we revert back to those joint sponsorship deals.
I would rather not go down that road. I think they would be more dependent on a partnership with us, than us with them.

Morally, I don't think we can even consider it until certain and many issues are resolved. I do however appreciate that money speaks more than morality.
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18 Feb 2016, 11:15 AM
duffsticks
18 Feb 2016, 10:51 AM
Not sure I'm massively comfortable with the club being sponsored by a betting agency.
Out of interest, why? We've had alcohol companies do it. Most of us who go to the games, would probably participate in a wee drink and a coupon. :thumbsup:
Not for any particular moral reason - my main objection to the recent Magners and Carling deals is that both drinks are utter pish, for example. I'd prefer we didn't need to turn to drink companies for sponsorship, but we don't have the luxury of being able to demand hundreds of millions from Far Eastern tyre manufacturers, Middle Eastern flight companies or American car makers.

I just don't particularly like the marriage of sports and betting companies. It's a different kettle of fish, I know, but the link between tennis and betting has facilitated an increase in match-fixing or spot-fixing. From first principles, it feels like the kind of conflict of interest that we'd be better off avoiding.

Totally understand the viewpoint that we should maximise our revenues, but from a purely personal perspective, I'm not really in favour of this.
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18 Feb 2016, 10:51 AM
Not sure I'm massively comfortable with the club being sponsored by a betting agency.
The fact that the NB deal is a new strip every year shows how much the incumbents give a feck, money rules and eff you.
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Any big sponsorship deal is welcome but as we all know its what we do with it that counts

A number of people have been told that there are many things going on atm regarding club

The ECA stuff (which lawwell should know far more about than any of us) the rumours of north american interest in club (pinch of salt) the asian gambling sponsorship so being kind maybe just maybe the board's focus is elsewhere but as said above if they leave RD in charge and the rumours of position with players are right they are building up one heck of period of upheaval
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wigwam
18 Feb 2016, 11:34 AM
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18 Feb 2016, 11:15 AM
duffsticks
18 Feb 2016, 10:51 AM
Not sure I'm massively comfortable with the club being sponsored by a betting agency.
Out of interest, why? We've had alcohol companies do it. Most of us who go to the games, would probably participate in a wee drink and a coupon. :thumbsup:
While sitting on our moral high horse apparently. :lol:

Maybe we should get some really socially conscious name on our shirts, though we'd have to pay them as we couldn't possibly take money away from such an organisation. Sell Griffiths to pay for it and sit smug-faced watching Aberdeen lift the league trophy. Sounds like a plan. :lol:
It is a stark choice - a betting firm sponsor or Aberdeen winning the league :(
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duffsticks
18 Feb 2016, 10:51 AM
Not sure I'm massively comfortable with the club being sponsored by a betting agency.
Just you be a good bhoy and hand over your hard-earned to Daftybet :huddle:
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duffsticks
18 Feb 2016, 02:00 PM
I'd prefer we didn't need to turn to drink companies for sponsorship, but we don't have the luxury of being able to demand hundreds of millions from Far Eastern tyre manufacturers, Middle Eastern flight companies or American car makers.
We could always ask for just a few millions from aforesaid companies.
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(I agree with your general sentiment.)
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Why can't scottish clubs get sponsorship from Scottish & Scotland based companies?
You can't watch rugby without seeing RBS spattered all over the place.The oil companies working in the North Sea would'nt notice if a couple of million was put into Scottish Football.Petty cash to them.Scottish Power,SSE etc(how much of our drinks industry does Diageo own)?.
Seems to me there's plenty of opportunies in Scotland untapped or is there a reason these companies won't sponsor professional football in their own country?.
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johnbhoy1958
18 Feb 2016, 08:15 PM
Why can't scottish clubs get sponsorship from Scottish & Scotland based companies?
You can't watch rugby without seeing RBS spattered all over the place.The oil companies working in the North Sea would'nt notice if a couple of million was put into Scottish Football.Petty cash to them.Scottish Power,SSE etc(how much of our drinks industry does Diageo own)?.
Seems to me there's plenty of opportunies in Scotland untapped or is there a reason these companies won't sponsor professional football in their own country?.
Theres a reason they don't sponsor either us or them.
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18 Feb 2016, 09:09 PM
johnbhoy1958
18 Feb 2016, 08:15 PM
Why can't scottish clubs get sponsorship from Scottish & Scotland based companies?
You can't watch rugby without seeing RBS spattered all over the place.The oil companies working in the North Sea would'nt notice if a couple of million was put into Scottish Football.Petty cash to them.Scottish Power,SSE etc(how much of our drinks industry does Diageo own)?.
Seems to me there's plenty of opportunies in Scotland untapped or is there a reason these companies won't sponsor professional football in their own country?.
Theres a reason they don't sponsor either us or them.
I think he meant the League or the cups. :thumbsup:
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johnbhoy1958
18 Feb 2016, 08:15 PM
Why can't scottish clubs get sponsorship from Scottish & Scotland based companies?
You can't watch rugby without seeing RBS spattered all over the place.The oil companies working in the North Sea would'nt notice if a couple of million was put into Scottish Football.Petty cash to them.Scottish Power,SSE etc(how much of our drinks industry does Diageo own)?.
Seems to me there's plenty of opportunies in Scotland untapped or is there a reason these companies won't sponsor professional football in their own country?.
Have ye seen the price of oil plumet?
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Wailer
18 Feb 2016, 09:12 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:09 PM
johnbhoy1958
18 Feb 2016, 08:15 PM
Why can't scottish clubs get sponsorship from Scottish & Scotland based companies?
You can't watch rugby without seeing RBS spattered all over the place.The oil companies working in the North Sea would'nt notice if a couple of million was put into Scottish Football.Petty cash to them.Scottish Power,SSE etc(how much of our drinks industry does Diageo own)?.
Seems to me there's plenty of opportunies in Scotland untapped or is there a reason these companies won't sponsor professional football in their own country?.
Theres a reason they don't sponsor either us or them.
I think he meant the League or the cups. :thumbsup:
I mean anything in general,be it club sponsorship,cups etc.
WRT the oil price,I'm sure any sponsorship deals,BP,Shell etc have will not be affected.
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18 Feb 2016, 09:18 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:12 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:09 PM

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I think he meant the League or the cups. :thumbsup:
I mean anything in general,be it club sponsorship,cups etc.
WRT the oil price,I'm sure any sponsorship deals,BP,Shell etc have will not be affected.
Aye well, Fly Pelican was on the right track then.

Would you suggest BP sponsor Celtic for the same amount they'd sponsor sevco for?
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18 Feb 2016, 09:18 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:12 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I mean anything in general,be it club sponsorship,cups etc.
WRT the oil price,I'm sure any sponsorship deals,BP,Shell etc have will not be affected.
Aye well, Fly Pelican was on the right track then.

Would you suggest BP sponsor Celtic for the same amount they'd sponsor sevco for?
No.I'm not making comparisons.I'm only asking why Scotlands big companies & multi nationals,who sponsor sport all over the world,don't sponsor professional football here.I mean the truly big companies.BT,Vodaphone for example.I know a lot of them put cash into community schemes and the like,so why not say,Aberdeen or Hearts,never mind us & them.
If the reason is sectarianism then surely that's a good reason for the powers that be,including the clubs themselves,to really try and stamp it out.
FWIW I'm sure CFC are worth more to sponsors than TRFC & I hope we never again sign a joint sponsorship deal with them.
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18 Feb 2016, 09:31 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:20 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:18 PM

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Aye well, Fly Pelican was on the right track then.

Would you suggest BP sponsor Celtic for the same amount they'd sponsor sevco for?
No.I'm not making comparisons.I'm only asking why Scotlands big companies & multi nationals,who sponsor sport all over the world,don't sponsor professional football here.I mean the truly big companies.BT,Vodaphone for example.I know a lot of them put cash into community schemes and the like,so why not say,Aberdeen or Hearts,never mind us & them.
If the reason is sectarianism then surely that's a good reason for the powers that be,including the clubs themselves,to really try and stamp it out.
FWIW I'm sure CFC are worth more to sponsors than TRFC & I hope we never again sign a joint sponsorship deal with them.
Not Sectarianism. They don't want to risk alienating half the population.

There are big brands involved eg Motorola at motherwell but like everyone else they'll be paying a pittance.
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18 Feb 2016, 09:38 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:31 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:20 PM

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No.I'm not making comparisons.I'm only asking why Scotlands big companies & multi nationals,who sponsor sport all over the world,don't sponsor professional football here.I mean the truly big companies.BT,Vodaphone for example.I know a lot of them put cash into community schemes and the like,so why not say,Aberdeen or Hearts,never mind us & them.
If the reason is sectarianism then surely that's a good reason for the powers that be,including the clubs themselves,to really try and stamp it out.
FWIW I'm sure CFC are worth more to sponsors than TRFC & I hope we never again sign a joint sponsorship deal with them.
Not Sectarianism. They don't want to risk alienating half the population.

There are big brands involved eg Motorola at motherwell but like everyone else they'll be paying a pittance.
it will be interesting to see if Douglas Park suffers a down turn since he became so prominent at Sevco. Historically, sponsoring only one of the Glasgow teams was the kiss of death ( McEwans Lager anyone?), but that ship has sailed and we have distance between us now.
Our deal with Dafabet might raise a few moral issues, but commercially it looks like a winner on all fronts.
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19 Feb 2016, 12:37 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:38 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:31 PM

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Not Sectarianism. They don't want to risk alienating half the population.

There are big brands involved eg Motorola at motherwell but like everyone else they'll be paying a pittance.
it will be interesting to see if Douglas Park suffers a down turn since he became so prominent at Sevco. Historically, sponsoring only one of the Glasgow teams was the kiss of death ( McEwans Lager anyone?), but that ship has sailed and we have distance between us now.
Our deal with Dafabet might raise a few moral issues, but commercially it looks like a winner on all fronts.
Don't think Douglas Park or his sons have any concern as to whether his sevco involvement will affect his business - they probably see it as a positive



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18 Feb 2016, 09:18 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:12 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:09 PM

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I think he meant the League or the cups. :thumbsup:
I mean anything in general,be it club sponsorship,cups etc.
WRT the oil price,I'm sure any sponsorship deals,BP,Shell etc have will not be affected.
I work in Oil and Gas and let me tell you they have :thumbsup:

Especially Shell.
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Why is Dafabet becoming a moral issue?

There's been a Ladbrokes inside the Jock Stein Stand for years. Its not much different.
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19 Feb 2016, 12:37 PM
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18 Feb 2016, 09:38 PM
johnbhoy1958
18 Feb 2016, 09:31 PM

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Not Sectarianism. They don't want to risk alienating half the population.

There are big brands involved eg Motorola at motherwell but like everyone else they'll be paying a pittance.
it will be interesting to see if Douglas Park suffers a down turn since he became so prominent at Sevco. Historically, sponsoring only one of the Glasgow teams was the kiss of death ( McEwans Lager anyone?), but that ship has sailed and we have distance between us now.
Our deal with Dafabet might raise a few moral issues, but commercially it looks like a winner on all fronts.
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Edited by Wailer, 19 Feb 2016, 02:02 PM.
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