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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,733 Views)
O'Maolagain
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13 Feb 2016, 10:48 AM
"The big European clubs would like a European league to make more money.To decide which clubs would be invited in they wouldn't look at the league they play in today but they would look at the size of the club.Clubs like Celtic ,Ajax ,benfica wouldn't be discounted to let teams like Leicester in". harryhoodshatrick

Whilst theres a likelihood of this type of blue-sky-thinking from the other big clubs, the likelihood is that once their accountants get their teeth into the scenario, the size of any home audience's advertising base will be the most relevant factor, financially.
It would also help if we had been punching above our weight in European competition in the antecedent years!
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Inclined to agree I'm afraid - I'm doubtful that we would be seen as an attractive proposition for, say, a 20 team super league.

I'd be more hopeful, though, of us being involved in the restructuring of the leagues down South if they were to lose some of their big names to a Euro league.
I doubt but hope Celtic do fit into this new scenario, maybe the increase in ground capacity is a foretaste of what might happen in the future? Albeit in Europe or England. I am sure SKY would be a big influencer then. However, the thought of Celtic involved in a European league, leaving Sevco, Doncaster et al high and dry would certainly cheer me up.
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As others have said, TV audience share is the deciding factor.
Celtic have limited appeal in this regard due to the size of Scotland.
The driving force for this is coming from Italy, Germany, Spain and France as they see English TV cash dwarfing their clubs.
AC Milan (Who can't even get into Europe at moment) are one of the prime movers in this.
They are looking at 'small' clubs like Stoke who will soon pocket £100m every season from TV.
They think a revamped Champions League with only 'big' clubs from big nations will attract more TV cash and help restore their ability to compete on transfers and wages.
If they are able to push through the changes they want then I fear Celtic will be sidelined due to the fact the club is based in a small, peripheral country.


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14 Feb 2016, 12:38 AM
As others have said, TV audience share is the deciding factor.
Celtic have limited appeal in this regard due to the size of Scotland.
The driving force for this is coming from Italy, Germany, Spain and France as they see English TV cash dwarfing their clubs.
AC Milan (Who can't even get into Europe at moment) are one of the prime movers in this.
They are looking at 'small' clubs like Stoke who will soon pocket £100m every season from TV.
They think a revamped Champions League with only 'big' clubs from big nations will attract more TV cash and help restore their ability to compete on transfers and wages.
If they are able to push through the changes they want then I fear Celtic will be sidelined due to the fact the club is based in a small, peripheral country.


There is no maybe about. This is what is going to happen.
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PaulWilson
14 Feb 2016, 12:38 AM
As others have said, TV audience share is the deciding factor.
Celtic have limited appeal in this regard due to the size of Scotland.
The driving force for this is coming from Italy, Germany, Spain and France as they see English TV cash dwarfing their clubs.
AC Milan (Who can't even get into Europe at moment) are one of the prime movers in this.
They are looking at 'small' clubs like Stoke who will soon pocket £100m every season from TV.
They think a revamped Champions League with only 'big' clubs from big nations will attract more TV cash and help restore their ability to compete on transfers and wages.
If they are able to push through the changes they want then I fear Celtic will be sidelined due to the fact the club is based in a small, peripheral country.


This is my fear.

We will be in no position to stop it. Who will care what a team from Scotland thinks? The SFA won't be able to stop it either (if they were even bothered).

Who might be able to stop it is all the teams in the English, Italian and German leagues who will be locked out. If it is going to be the same teams from each of leagues locked in (as seems to be the plan) then Liverpool, Spurs etc will be on the outside looking in. They won't wear that.
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It might also be an opportunity.

Promotion and relegation to a big five super league would be unlikely.

But PL will already be talking to Ajax, Porto, Benfica etc about resurrecting the atlantic league concept.

The borders might come down completely, which is pretty much what Celtic have wanted for years anyway.

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krungthep
14 Feb 2016, 01:36 AM
But PL will already be talking to Ajax, Porto, Benfica etc about resurrecting the atlantic league concept.
The Atlantic League sounded pish then and it sounds pish now. If there is to be change then please god we don't go back down that route.
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14 Feb 2016, 01:36 AM
It might also be an opportunity.

Promotion and relegation to a big five super league would be unlikely.

But PL will already be talking to Ajax, Porto, Benfica etc about resurrecting the atlantic league concept.

The borders might come down completely, which is pretty much what Celtic have wanted for years anyway.

Where would an Atlantic League be in the pecking order of European football?

New Champions League (invites only nae trainers)>rEPL/rSpain/etc etc etc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Atlantic League?

Is that much better than where we are now?

The Atlantic League only sounded promising when that would be our new league from which we'd still qualify to the Champions League etc. It would have given us a chance to compete on financial terms with some EPL teams by the time you added in CL money.

What it could turn out to be now is a way to let us compete financially with the Championship teams down south rather than League One :twitch:
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14 Feb 2016, 01:00 AM
There is no maybe about. This is what is going to happen.
No it won't. :lol:

You really think the 'locked out' clubs in England, Spain, Italy ect will stand for it? They won't.

Even if in the remote chance this happens, let's see how often Barca and Bayern trade titles before Man United and the likes want to go back to their native leagues to taste success again.
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14 Feb 2016, 04:59 AM
tinytim81
14 Feb 2016, 01:00 AM
There is no maybe about. This is what is going to happen.
No it won't. :lol:

You really think the 'locked out' clubs in England, Spain, Italy ect will stand for it? They won't.

Even if in the remote chance this happens, let's see how often Barca and Bayern trade titles before Man United and the likes want to go back to their native leagues to taste success again.
The locked out clubs won't have any say, out-with agreeing the compensation fee for the top teams leaving their league. If the G16 teams want it they'll get it, it's that simple and they've been baying for something like this for a while.

If there's a 20 team league I think we'd be in with a shout for it.
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Dannybhoy95
14 Feb 2016, 04:59 AM
tinytim81
14 Feb 2016, 01:00 AM
There is no maybe about. This is what is going to happen.
No it won't. :lol:

You really think the 'locked out' clubs in England, Spain, Italy ect will stand for it? They won't.

Even if in the remote chance this happens, let's see how often Barca and Bayern trade titles before Man United and the likes want to go back to their native leagues to taste success again.
There won't be a lock-out, but there is a strong chance that the champions' route will be removed.

Currently a competent manager would get us into the Champions League. But if the champions' route is removed, we will be finished as a top tier European team.
Edited by pauldg1, 14 Feb 2016, 05:26 AM.
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The big guns give a doomsday scenario as the starting point for the negotiations so that when everything is discussed they can pretend they've ceded ground but in reality have gotten the majority of what they want. They do this all the time and this has gotten traction just now because there is a power vaccum at UEFA.
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there's possibly your top 20 Superleague teams if the big 5 want to carve up things to themselves?
look at how many genuine big teams are missing from that list and wonder would Celtic actually make a Superleague Division 2

I don't think it will happen but wouldn't have a problem if they all fecked off anyway.
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14 Feb 2016, 08:40 AM
MU,MC,Arsenal,Chelsea
RM,AM,Barca,Sevilla
Bayern M,B Dortmund,Leverkusen,Schalke
Milan,Inter,Juve,Roma
PSG,Marseille,Lyon,St Etienne

there's possibly your top 20 Superleague teams if the big 5 want to carve up things to themselves?
look at how many genuine big teams are missing from that list and wonder would Celtic actually make a Superleague Division 2

I don't think it will happen but wouldn't have a problem if they all fecked off anyway.
With the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea missing out on the top table next season, then the likelihood of this happening sooner rather than later increases.

They can't have upstarts like Leicester in the top competition, they designed it just to have the teams they want every year and this sort of thing should not be allowed to happen.

Anyway, regardless of where the Celts end up I'll still be there to watch, good or bad.
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Bayern M,B Dortmund,Leverkusen,Schalke
Milan,Inter,Juve,Roma
PSG,Marseille,Lyon,St Etienne

there's possibly your top 20 Superleague teams if the big 5 want to carve up things to themselves?
look at how many genuine big teams are missing from that list and wonder would Celtic actually make a Superleague Division 2

I don't think it will happen but wouldn't have a problem if they all fecked off anyway.
I don't think there's any hope of a second league. That would mean at least 30 odd teams breaking away from the rest.

I think 20 teams might already be a push.
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When talking about European Super Leagues, they should just amalgamate every league, have about four main European leagues, then area leagues and at the very bottom of the pyramid, the national leagues.

Thanks to all the kdsers that met up for a drink and a chat yesterday. The planned protest didn't go ahead, but will do. Instead we met up for a chat and to our course of action. Most of us have no problem on what is being spent, ie wages, but, how it's being spent, ie Lawwell's over inflated wages and the numbers on a bloated squad of players who aspire to be average, with a few exceptions. We are being mismanaged.

We have banners, now we are going for leaflets. They will of course be made sturdy enough, to be used as roaches, if you don't agree with our viewpoint. :thumbsup:

Edit: our protest will no longer be on the Celtic Way, due to communication/advice on here, it's amazing who reads kds. ;)

We will be at Janefield Street at the next home game, next to the original Celtic Park (we sit in 108 and are lazy).
Edited by RoyAitken, 14 Feb 2016, 10:03 AM.
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PaulWilson
14 Feb 2016, 12:38 AM
As others have said, TV audience share is the deciding factor.
Celtic have limited appeal in this regard due to the size of Scotland.
The driving force for this is coming from Italy, Germany, Spain and France as they see English TV cash dwarfing their clubs.
AC Milan (Who can't even get into Europe at moment) are one of the prime movers in this.
They are looking at 'small' clubs like Stoke who will soon pocket £100m every season from TV.
They think a revamped Champions League with only 'big' clubs from big nations will attract more TV cash and help restore their ability to compete on transfers and wages.
If they are able to push through the changes they want then I fear Celtic will be sidelined due to the fact the club is based in a small, peripheral country.


This is my fear.

We will be in no position to stop it. Who will care what a team from Scotland thinks? The SFA won't be able to stop it either (if they were even bothered).

Who might be able to stop it is all the teams in the English, Italian and German leagues who will be locked out. If it is going to be the same teams from each of leagues locked in (as seems to be the plan) then Liverpool, Spurs etc will be on the outside looking in. They won't wear that.
What could they do about it?
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And folk celebrated when Platini was bagged...
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Tbh, unless your team is involved, the CL is pretty much a snooze fest now. The tampering with dates and dragging out the knockout stages isn't helping. The PSG-Chelsea tie is the only one of interest this week.
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14 Feb 2016, 04:59 AM
tinytim81
14 Feb 2016, 01:00 AM
There is no maybe about. This is what is going to happen.
No it won't. :lol:

You really think the 'locked out' clubs in England, Spain, Italy ect will stand for it? They won't.

Even if in the remote chance this happens, let's see how often Barca and Bayern trade titles before Man United and the likes want to go back to their native leagues to taste success again.
Money will dictate what happens. It doesn't matter how many people are willing to stand for it or not.
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13 Feb 2016, 11:55 AM
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13 Feb 2016, 09:19 AM
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13 Feb 2016, 04:07 AM

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The big European clubs would like a European league to make more money.To decide which clubs would be invited in they wouldn't look at the league they play in today but they would look at the size of the club.Clubs like Celtic ,Ajax ,benfica wouldn't be discounted to let teams like Leicester in.
You are correct.
Whoever replaces Platini, probably Infantino, will want to put down their mark.

They are looking at the financial structures too.
The recent failure to secure CL money has been offset by the sale of player like FF VW and VVD. There are no £9M in the current squad but we have been signing
a fair number of very cheap home based players recently, many in the same positions. Whilst this gives us very good injury cover it is also gives us financial insurance should we fail again to get to the CL. (3 x £3M).

Change is coming, you better believe it, and Celtic will be in a very good place when it does.



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We are in a very enviable position both financially and having PL on the board.


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Change is coming, you better believe it, and Celtic will be in a very good place when it does.


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Your man peter has downsized us to the point we'd be lucky to get an invite to the EL equivalent of a European League. They dont invite clubs based on what PL tells you is financial health.
Edited by Estadio nacional, 14 Feb 2016, 12:36 PM.
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