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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,734 Views)
patmccaulay
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jamiebhoy76
13 Feb 2016, 03:45 AM
PaulWilson
13 Feb 2016, 02:39 AM
The latest news about the Champions League proposals from Rummenigge make it seem certain that the 'easy' route to the Euro elite we have enjoyed in recent years will soon be scrapped.

There may not even be a pathway if the 'big guns' get their way.

Platini brought in the 'Champions' route to allow smaller nations to join the elite and he is now sidelined.

At best, we will be looking at the previous qualifying criteria that saw us have to play teams like Arsenal over two legs to qualify.

It is only a matter of time before Platini's 'Champions' route is closed.

There will be no realistic prospect of Champions League cash nor will Celtic be able to showcase players at the top level in order to sell them for a decent return.

How will that affect the board's business plan?

Pistol Pete's on the Exec Board for the ECA, hopefully he's working a move for us if there's a new format being rolled out, hopefully into a 20 team super league. Surely we would be an attractive option for them?. If PL does manage to get us into the top tier of a revamped setup then I'd forgive him around 8%.
You are very much correct sir.

A revamp will happen relatively soon. Doncaster is predicting gloom and doom already because he knows it too.

I doubt very much that there will be closed shop super league of 20 though.
We are in a very enviable position both financially and having PL on the board.

The future is bright and it certainly isn't orange.
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patmccaulay
13 Feb 2016, 04:07 AM
jamiebhoy76
13 Feb 2016, 03:45 AM
PaulWilson
13 Feb 2016, 02:39 AM
The latest news about the Champions League proposals from Rummenigge make it seem certain that the 'easy' route to the Euro elite we have enjoyed in recent years will soon be scrapped.

There may not even be a pathway if the 'big guns' get their way.

Platini brought in the 'Champions' route to allow smaller nations to join the elite and he is now sidelined.

At best, we will be looking at the previous qualifying criteria that saw us have to play teams like Arsenal over two legs to qualify.

It is only a matter of time before Platini's 'Champions' route is closed.

There will be no realistic prospect of Champions League cash nor will Celtic be able to showcase players at the top level in order to sell them for a decent return.

How will that affect the board's business plan?

Pistol Pete's on the Exec Board for the ECA, hopefully he's working a move for us if there's a new format being rolled out, hopefully into a 20 team super league. Surely we would be an attractive option for them?. If PL does manage to get us into the top tier of a revamped setup then I'd forgive him around 8%.
You are very much correct sir.

A revamp will happen relatively soon. Doncaster is predicting gloom and doom already because he knows it too.

I doubt very much that there will be closed shop super league of 20 though.
We are in a very enviable position both financially and having PL on the board.

The future is bright and it certainly isn't orange.
5 years? Hopefully. Cannae wait.
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See old DD playing at pebble beach ,cares not a jot.
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The Gorbals Urchin
13 Feb 2016, 04:49 AM
See old DD playing at pebble beach ,cares not a jot.
TBF have you seen Celtic recently? If I had the choice I'd rather be playing Peeble Beach than going to watch the game this avo.
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12 Feb 2016, 04:25 PM
fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 04:20 PM
The unavoidable fact is that Celtic , as a business, have managed to shrink considerably in a non competitive marketplace. The people who engineered this should be made to pay the price.
I have no time for the board mate as you know but surely a 'non competitive marketplace' is conducive to a shrinking of the business? Isn't the fact we have no real challenge week to week the way we used to (and regardless of Aberdeen I don't think fans really believe they are a genuine competitor) part of the problem? Like it or not - the huns were good for business.
I agree the hun's were good for business but we've have a free run at the CL for the past 2 years - they had a huge opportunity to increase profits massively.

Having been handed 2 of the easiest qualifying routes that I can remember the board effed it up by appointing a guy who can't organise a team.

Whilst the lack of competition has had and effect it has also presented opportunities that should have been capitalised on.

Fwiw in hindsight I have mixed emotions about our failure to get to the CL. I was gutted and angry at the time and on the whole would prefer we were there but I genuinely believe we could have been on the end of some humiliating results.
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patmccaulay
13 Feb 2016, 04:07 AM
jamiebhoy76
13 Feb 2016, 03:45 AM
PaulWilson
13 Feb 2016, 02:39 AM
The latest news about the Champions League proposals from Rummenigge make it seem certain that the 'easy' route to the Euro elite we have enjoyed in recent years will soon be scrapped.

There may not even be a pathway if the 'big guns' get their way.

Platini brought in the 'Champions' route to allow smaller nations to join the elite and he is now sidelined.

At best, we will be looking at the previous qualifying criteria that saw us have to play teams like Arsenal over two legs to qualify.

It is only a matter of time before Platini's 'Champions' route is closed.

There will be no realistic prospect of Champions League cash nor will Celtic be able to showcase players at the top level in order to sell them for a decent return.

How will that affect the board's business plan?

Pistol Pete's on the Exec Board for the ECA, hopefully he's working a move for us if there's a new format being rolled out, hopefully into a 20 team super league. Surely we would be an attractive option for them?. If PL does manage to get us into the top tier of a revamped setup then I'd forgive him around 8%.
You are very much correct sir.

A revamp will happen relatively soon. Doncaster is predicting gloom and doom already because he knows it too.

I doubt very much that there will be closed shop super league of 20 though.
We are in a very enviable position both financially and having PL on the board.

The future is bright and it certainly isn't orange.
The big European clubs would like a European league to make more money.To decide which clubs would be invited in they wouldn't look at the league they play in today but they would look at the size of the club.Clubs like Celtic ,Ajax ,benfica wouldn't be discounted to let teams like Leicester in.
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therebelalliance
13 Feb 2016, 08:44 AM
The Gorbals Urchin
13 Feb 2016, 04:49 AM
See old DD playing at pebble beach ,cares not a jot.
TBF have you seen Celtic recently? If I had the choice I'd rather be playing Peeble Beach than going to watch the game this avo.
Aye but you ain't the major shareholder in Celtic, DD is and is seldom seen at any games, his lack of interest in his investment is telling given the downsizing that continues at pace.
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"The big European clubs would like a European league to make more money.To decide which clubs would be invited in they wouldn't look at the league they play in today but they would look at the size of the club.Clubs like Celtic ,Ajax ,benfica wouldn't be discounted to let teams like Leicester in". harryhoodshatrick

Whilst theres a likelihood of this type of blue-sky-thinking from the other big clubs, the likelihood is that once their accountants get their teeth into the scenario, the size of any home audience's advertising base will be the most relevant factor, financially.
It would also help if we had been punching above our weight in European competition in the antecedent years!
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Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 13 Feb 2016, 10:49 AM.
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The 'downsizing' word.Somebody said the other week that Celtic have downsized everything except expectations.'Champions league club,EPL maybe but seat at the top table anyway,big fancy frontage for ..etc' Their big problem is that they can't really say that we are well down the food chain of European football and structurally it's getting worse.Sacking this board won't bring in a new one that meets the expectations,the alternative is a board that downsizes the expectations too.
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nowonder
13 Feb 2016, 11:10 AM
The 'downsizing' word.Somebody said the other week that Celtic have downsized everything except expectations.'Champions league club,EPL maybe but seat at the top table anyway,big fancy frontage for ..etc' Their big problem is that they can't really say that we are well down the food chain of European football and structurally it's getting worse.Sacking this board won't bring in a new one that meets the expectations,the alternative is a board that downsizes the expectations too.
We beat Barca a few years back, the team was pretty damn decent to the squad we have now, granted we couldn't keep them all, but the way we are headed is looking most definitely a period with limited success in Europe at least, those in charge are now in my mind on the cusp of a full on revolt from the majority of supporters still going to games.
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13 Feb 2016, 11:29 AM
nowonder
13 Feb 2016, 11:10 AM
The 'downsizing' word.Somebody said the other week that Celtic have downsized everything except expectations.'Champions league club,EPL maybe but seat at the top table anyway,big fancy frontage for ..etc' Their big problem is that they can't really say that we are well down the food chain of European football and structurally it's getting worse.Sacking this board won't bring in a new one that meets the expectations,the alternative is a board that downsizes the expectations too.
We beat Barca a few years back, the team was pretty damn decent to the squad we have now, granted we couldn't keep them all, but the way we are headed is looking most definitely a period with limited success in Europe at least, those in charge are now in my mind on the cusp of a full on revolt from the majority of supporters still going to games.
We did indeed, we had a decent squad and if the money earned by that squad's success was reinvested then we wouldn't be in this mess.
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harryhoodshatrick
13 Feb 2016, 09:19 AM
patmccaulay
13 Feb 2016, 04:07 AM
jamiebhoy76
13 Feb 2016, 03:45 AM

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You are very much correct sir.

A revamp will happen relatively soon. Doncaster is predicting gloom and doom already because he knows it too.

I doubt very much that there will be closed shop super league of 20 though.
We are in a very enviable position both financially and having PL on the board.

The future is bright and it certainly isn't orange.
The big European clubs would like a European league to make more money.To decide which clubs would be invited in they wouldn't look at the league they play in today but they would look at the size of the club.Clubs like Celtic ,Ajax ,benfica wouldn't be discounted to let teams like Leicester in.
You are correct.
Whoever replaces Platini, probably Infantino, will want to put down their mark.

They are looking at the financial structures too.
The recent failure to secure CL money has been offset by the sale of player like FF VW and VVD. There are no £9M in the current squad but we have been signing
a fair number of very cheap home based players recently, many in the same positions. Whilst this gives us very good injury cover it is also gives us financial insurance should we fail again to get to the CL. (3 x £3M).

Change is coming, you better believe it, and Celtic will be in a very good place when it does.



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Ess
13 Feb 2016, 11:54 AM
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13 Feb 2016, 11:29 AM
nowonder
13 Feb 2016, 11:10 AM
The 'downsizing' word.Somebody said the other week that Celtic have downsized everything except expectations.'Champions league club,EPL maybe but seat at the top table anyway,big fancy frontage for ..etc' Their big problem is that they can't really say that we are well down the food chain of European football and structurally it's getting worse.Sacking this board won't bring in a new one that meets the expectations,the alternative is a board that downsizes the expectations too.
We beat Barca a few years back, the team was pretty damn decent to the squad we have now, granted we couldn't keep them all, but the way we are headed is looking most definitely a period with limited success in Europe at least, those in charge are now in my mind on the cusp of a full on revolt from the majority of supporters still going to games.
We did indeed, we had a decent squad and if the money earned by that squad's success was reinvested then we wouldn't be in this mess.
“The Board considers that our self-sustaining model allows the Club to look to the future with reasonable optimism.”

Iain Bankier

We are in a self made mess, missing the opportunity of the Champions route being bested by Malmo et al. They are now terrified that this easier route will be closed.
Meanwhile we're in the process of having real pressure put on us to win a one horse race.

But all is good on the board, true psychopath director CEO behaviour & utterly removed from reality.

Meanwhile PL is in Geneva sitting at the top table... :lol:
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13 Feb 2016, 02:39 AM


At best, we will be looking at the previous qualifying criteria that saw us have to play teams like Arsenal over two legs to qualify.
tbf it was the current criteria that seen us draw arsenal due to finishing 2nd
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Dick Dastardly and Mutley...

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-doing-business-park-peter-2296739#GFphChpsYYhGL7YQ.97

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13 Feb 2016, 01:21 PM
Thats from 2013? :ponder:
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13 Feb 2016, 10:48 AM
"The big European clubs would like a European league to make more money.To decide which clubs would be invited in they wouldn't look at the league they play in today but they would look at the size of the club.Clubs like Celtic ,Ajax ,benfica wouldn't be discounted to let teams like Leicester in". harryhoodshatrick

Whilst theres a likelihood of this type of blue-sky-thinking from the other big clubs, the likelihood is that once their accountants get their teeth into the scenario, the size of any home audience's advertising base will be the most relevant factor, financially.
It would also help if we had been punching above our weight in European competition in the antecedent years!
:pray:
Inclined to agree I'm afraid - I'm doubtful that we would be seen as an attractive proposition for, say, a 20 team super league.

I'd be more hopeful, though, of us being involved in the restructuring of the leagues down South if they were to lose some of their big names to a Euro league.
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Here's hoping, but it seems we arrive at these situations (and become hopeful of beneficial changes) at regular junctures, and nothing ever transpires in our favour.
The vested interests of the bigger clubs in the bigger leagues always seem to end up being accommodated, in order to protect the existing organisational status quo.
Where we have failed miserably (and continue to do so) is in our cack-handed inability to run a, short to medium term, successful football club in even the minor European arena's :nono:
After two entries into the last sixteen of the major tournament, our boards policies have decimated the starting eleven to such a degree, that we are now also-rans in the group stages of the europa league :cry:
Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 13 Feb 2016, 02:00 PM.
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Don't see the SFA, SPFL and Scottish media's beef with the European big boys doing what's best for business by trying to rungfence the Champions League for themselves. This is what they tried to engineer when the huns went bust and if left to them Sevco was to parachute into the top league.
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georgiesleftpeg
13 Feb 2016, 01:21 PM
Just after the Beatles split up...
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