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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,735 Views)
QualityStreet1970
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Edited by QualityStreet1970, 9 Feb 2016, 01:43 AM.
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Mubo Loravcik
9 Feb 2016, 12:00 AM
Suffice to say I've been going celtic wiki crazy :lol: but again, can't help but notice this rather erm... interesting account of Lawwell on his page:

His main critics generally cover the generally left wing politicos (like the Green Brigade), the perennially frustrated supporters and other keyboard militants.

You have to add that Lawwell has had to balance up the different authorities and supporters factions. It's possibly fair to say that no other Celtic head has ever done it so much better. When you look back over the thirty years prior to his appointment, the club's management had been marked by continual rifts with authorities with Fergus McCann or the old Biscuit Tin board. Granted a lot of that was due to the hun's hegemony of the system, but Lawwell steered the control away from them. That was healthy for the game.

In fairness, one issue that has irked many supporters he been his pay. He has been paid handsome amounts with his bonuses, sometimes excessively and this is something that has irked fans especially as numbers attending the matches was falling as his pay rose . Yet he was being paid th going rate in th market whether people liked it or not. He had been targeted by clubs down south but opted to remain, that in itself shows his commitment to the club were he could have made a mint away from Celtic.

The club had stuttered during his reign but nothing is easy in the lopsided football environment in European football. Stuck in a rut we are not going anywhere but men like Lawwell try their best. Issues like the appointment of Mowbray are criticised but few disagreed with it at the time, but should have been cut faster. Transfer budgets are no easy issue either, and simply we can't compete anymore.
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That Lawwell piece is magnificent. 'Paid the going rate'. :loel:
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Oh dear.
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Amazing what some free tea and biscuits will make you write :lol:
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The Liverpool supporters got their message across. The day of the season book is on the way out . Bring back the terraces I say .
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Quiet Assasin
9 Feb 2016, 12:05 AM
Who the eff is writing that?
Paul Brennan?
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I was a malcontent in the 90s and now a keyboard militant
have I been promoted.
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I wonder if Bankier or any other Board member would be as impotent if it was his own business that was deteriorating at the pace Celtic are. Imagine a retail business losing customers at the same rate as Celtic are shipping season book holders, or a drop in Corporate turnover equivalent to what we have dropped.
The unavoidable fact is that Celtic , as a business, have managed to shrink considerably in a non competitive marketplace. The people who engineered this should be made to pay the price.
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fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 04:20 PM
The unavoidable fact is that Celtic , as a business, have managed to shrink considerably in a non competitive marketplace. The people who engineered this should be made to pay the price.
I have no time for the board mate as you know but surely a 'non competitive marketplace' is conducive to a shrinking of the business? Isn't the fact we have no real challenge week to week the way we used to (and regardless of Aberdeen I don't think fans really believe they are a genuine competitor) part of the problem? Like it or not - the huns were good for business.
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murphio
12 Feb 2016, 04:25 PM
fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 04:20 PM
The unavoidable fact is that Celtic , as a business, have managed to shrink considerably in a non competitive marketplace. The people who engineered this should be made to pay the price.
I have no time for the board mate as you know but surely a 'non competitive marketplace' is conducive to a shrinking of the business? Isn't the fact we have no real challenge week to week the way we used to (and regardless of Aberdeen I don't think fans really believe they are a genuine competitor) part of the problem? Like it or not - the huns were good for business.
I reluctantly agree, but to have our club in the mess it is now by their failure to appoint an experienced manager and to have Lawwell effectively control the football side of the club has contributed enormously to the disenchantment experienced today.
Lawwell got lucky once with Lennon, and decided to gamble again with Deila on the back of the huns demise. It's this wreckless and indefensible risk taking that has created the shambles we are seeing played out week after week.
If it was happening in any of their other businesses, the Board members wouldn't stand for it.
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fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 04:33 PM
murphio
12 Feb 2016, 04:25 PM
fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 04:20 PM
The unavoidable fact is that Celtic , as a business, have managed to shrink considerably in a non competitive marketplace. The people who engineered this should be made to pay the price.
I have no time for the board mate as you know but surely a 'non competitive marketplace' is conducive to a shrinking of the business? Isn't the fact we have no real challenge week to week the way we used to (and regardless of Aberdeen I don't think fans really believe they are a genuine competitor) part of the problem? Like it or not - the huns were good for business.
I reluctantly agree, but to have our club in the mess it is now by their failure to appoint an experienced manager and to have Lawwell effectively control the football side of the club has contributed enormously to the disenchantment experienced today.
Lawwell got lucky once with Lennon, and decided to gamble again with Deila on the back of the huns demise. It's this wreckless and indefensible risk taking that has created the shambles we are seeing played out week after week.
If it was happening in any of their other businesses, the Board members wouldn't stand for it.
Yeah, totally agree, get them out. Fresh blood and fresh ideas needed asap. Too many of them dining out on free lunches for far too long.
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Is Ian Livingston still here? Still makes me feel sick to the stomach.
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BhoyRacer
12 Feb 2016, 06:15 PM
Is Ian Livingston still here? Still makes me feel sick to the stomach.
Racist.
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fatboab
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BBC just reported half year figures, with turnover up less than 1% but showing a profit of around £11m , mainly due to the sale of VvD.
If we are fielding a side like we are, yet making that kind of half year profit, then something is rotten. I know the second half figures will probably balance things out, but it suggests we are in better health,than the Board would have us believe.
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Trouble for the board is that their Ronny eff up means there will be no £13m players to sell.
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fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 08:02 PM
BBC just reported half year figures, with turnover up less than 1% but showing a profit of around £11m , mainly due to the sale of VvD.
If we are fielding a side like we are, yet making that kind of half year profit, then something is rotten. I know the second half figures will probably balance things out, but it suggests we are in better health,than the Board would have us believe.
The other issue is after selling 3 x 10million plus players in successive seasons, we don't have anyone who would command even half that value. So the model is fecked.
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Joseph D. Pistone
12 Feb 2016, 08:59 PM
fatboab
12 Feb 2016, 08:02 PM
BBC just reported half year figures, with turnover up less than 1% but showing a profit of around £11m , mainly due to the sale of VvD.
If we are fielding a side like we are, yet making that kind of half year profit, then something is rotten. I know the second half figures will probably balance things out, but it suggests we are in better health,than the Board would have us believe.
The other issue is after selling 3 x 10million plus players in successive seasons, we don't have anyone who would command even half that value. So the model is fecked.
If only we hadn't blown £40million over 2 years on an experiment.
Edited by Wailer, 12 Feb 2016, 09:01 PM.
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The latest news about the Champions League proposals from Rummenigge make it seem certain that the 'easy' route to the Euro elite we have enjoyed in recent years will soon be scrapped.

There may not even be a pathway if the 'big guns' get their way.

Platini brought in the 'Champions' route to allow smaller nations to join the elite and he is now sidelined.

At best, we will be looking at the previous qualifying criteria that saw us have to play teams like Arsenal over two legs to qualify.

It is only a matter of time before Platini's 'Champions' route is closed.

There will be no realistic prospect of Champions League cash nor will Celtic be able to showcase players at the top level in order to sell them for a decent return.

How will that affect the board's business plan?

Edited by PaulWilson, 13 Feb 2016, 02:40 AM.
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13 Feb 2016, 02:39 AM
The latest news about the Champions League proposals from Rummenigge make it seem certain that the 'easy' route to the Euro elite we have enjoyed in recent years will soon be scrapped.

There may not even be a pathway if the 'big guns' get their way.

Platini brought in the 'Champions' route to allow smaller nations to join the elite and he is now sidelined.

At best, we will be looking at the previous qualifying criteria that saw us have to play teams like Arsenal over two legs to qualify.

It is only a matter of time before Platini's 'Champions' route is closed.

There will be no realistic prospect of Champions League cash nor will Celtic be able to showcase players at the top level in order to sell them for a decent return.

How will that affect the board's business plan?

Pistol Pete's on the Exec Board for the ECA, hopefully he's working a move for us if there's a new format being rolled out, hopefully into a 20 team super league. Surely we would be an attractive option for them?. If PL does manage to get us into the top tier of a revamped setup then I'd forgive him around 8%.
Edited by jamiebhoy76, 13 Feb 2016, 03:46 AM.
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