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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,736 Views)
QualityStreet1970
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7 Feb 2016, 09:00 PM

How could we afford summers of 6 million transfers when our biggest source of income was now only worth a fraction of what it was when we were buying Hartson, Sutton, Lennon & the pre MON transfers of the late 1990s?
We couldn't afford more £6 million players. Especially after spending millions on players who had no resale value when their contracts were done.

But even in our reduced circumstances, we could have afforded the likes of like Fletcher, whom we could have sold to an EPL team after a few years.

Looking at the bigger picture, Desmond's lack of vision and the scouting department's lousy track record have been a "perfect storm."
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Girdle your loins Tims. because the next time we hear from Lawwell it will be doom and gloom. how he's invested in the team etc etc...the "outside" factors driving the decision making in the Boredroom. not once will he hear from him or asked of him about the glaringly obvious mistakes he's made....or why when he's overseen the downsizing of Celtic ,He's overseen the upsizing of his salary by huge percentage year on year and justify it.....ITS ALL YOUR FAULT TIMMY !.

Just for once, I'd love to hear him being interviewed by someone other than the Celtic media dept.
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7 Feb 2016, 10:12 PM
How the eff can punters be at the games & still defend the board? It's unreal.
Folk still believe that without the current board, we'll be heading down the Rangers paved path.

As Mubo Loravcik pointed out, here's a wee bit in the Celtic Wiki.
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Some fans displaying a 'Sack The Board' banner. Totally ridiculous.

Not even KDS is fully behind a clear out. Shame, really.
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7 Feb 2016, 10:21 PM
Looking at the bigger picture, Desmond's lack of vision and the scouting department's lousy track record have been a "perfect storm."
"Now, both as supporter and investor, he enthusiastically endorses the stability and commitment that Dermot Desmond has brought to the club, making it the force it is today while reinforcing the historic Irish bond – all a far cry from the circumstances of two decades ago".

Now, the man being referred to in this article from a few years back, is unimpeachable (imo) in what he did for the club, back in it's darkest days. John Keane put his hand in his own pocket, to stop the bank foreclosing :worthy:

However, the sentiment expressed by the writer (the sycophantic, politically bankrupt, brothel-creeping sellik man, B. Wilson esq) is as laughably contextualised as it is abhorrent.

Stability and commitment, eh;

Never attends a game (unless it's in, say Donetsk, where business and pleasure may be attended to concurrently).

Never attends a board meeting.

Never attends an AGM.

Is a proxy owner custodian, but without the commitment, by gerrymandering his way into over 50% voting control, without having to offer to buy out the rest of the shareholders at a fair price.

Let the story do the rounds (unusual for a habitual press injunctioner) of how it was really his boy who was mad-keen on the celtic. The same boy, one presumes, who has never been a director of the club, and is currently furiously buying up properties in north and south Ireland, to facilitate the latest yankee-doodle fast-food franchise.

And all of this, not withstanding, his West-Brit-Tory manoeuvrings.

Stability and commitment, indeed.
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7 Feb 2016, 04:44 PM
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My seat was just along from the banner. I know the boys who had it.

When they lifted it up, a guy behind them starting going mental "get that doon" "ye've no idea what you're on about" etc

The boys told him otherwise. How the eff can punters be at the games & still defend the board? It's unreal.
There was a guy called me a gloryhunter for chanting 'Lawwell Lawwell GTF' in Inverness a couple of years ago.

A gloryhunter, who goes to Inverness for a lunchtime kickoff between Christmas and New Year. :lol:
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8 Feb 2016, 01:53 AM
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7 Feb 2016, 10:12 PM
How the eff can punters be at the games & still defend the board? It's unreal.
Folk still believe that without the current board, we'll be heading down the Rangers paved path.

As Mubo Loravcik pointed out, here's a wee bit in the Celtic Wiki.
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Some fans displaying a 'Sack The Board' banner. Totally ridiculous.

Not even KDS is fully behind a clear out. Shame, really.
Strange if people think that. What has this got to do with the hun going kaput? I'm not asking the board to spend our way into silly debt. I'm asking them to do their effing jobs properly and efficiently.

We have a de facto owner, whose main interests lie elsewhere. Who'd rather be at Pebble Beach more than Parkhead.
A £20k per week Chief-Exec that has to carry the can for all the decisions made, both on and off the park. It's his failure to properly back the manager and has downsized the place, whilst picking up just shy of £9m over 12 years btw, that has us where we are today.
The rest of the board have just been a succession of bland, sycophantic toadies that are miles out of touch with the punters.

Yes, let's keep them; they're great.
Edited by SwavBhoy, 8 Feb 2016, 12:06 PM.
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8 Feb 2016, 12:05 PM
Strange if people think that. What has this got to do with the hun going kaput? I'm not asking the board to spend our way into silly debt. I'm asking them to do their effing jobs properly and efficiently.
Because we either pick up 10 guys at £1.5 million each or we sink £15 million on one players.

There's no middle ground in football these days. :(
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8 Feb 2016, 12:52 PM
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8 Feb 2016, 12:05 PM
Strange if people think that. What has this got to do with the hun going kaput? I'm not asking the board to spend our way into silly debt. I'm asking them to do their effing jobs properly and efficiently.
Because we either pick up 10 guys at £1.5 million each or we sink £15 million on one players.

There's no middle ground in football these days. :(
We had one chance after we reached the last 16 - and we sold Vic and Forster soon after.
We must have made well over £20m that we didn't budget for.
That money should have been used to buy maybe two players who would immediately improve the team and improve our chances of at least making the groups.
Even if it didn't work that way, we wouldn't be making a loss and its not as if two £5m players wouldn't have the same chance of selling on as 10 one million pound players.

The money was earned by the team and the team should have benefited from it, also increasing our chances of making the groups the next year.

Its a pretty catastrophic failure on the part of the board that we are where we are now.
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7 Feb 2016, 04:44 PM
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My seat was just along from the banner. I know the boys who had it.

When they lifted it up, a guy behind them starting going mental "get that doon" "ye've no idea what you're on about" etc

The boys told him otherwise. How the eff can punters be at the games & still defend the board? It's unreal.
It's nothing new. In the dying days of the Kellys and the Whites you still had some Celtic fans defending them, saying all the usual stuff like, "They're just fellow Celtic supporters like us", "They're just doing whats right for the club" and "They're custodians of the club - they can't be blamed for what goes on on the park".

The thing that eventually killed the old board was the dwindling number of people paying through the gates. But there is always an element of the support with their heads in the sand who won't acknowledge the red flags all around them. For the old board, as soon as that gate revenue started drying up - their time was borrowed. For the current mob - they'll continue with their present way of running the club until so few people can be bothered attending the games. The difference between the Kellys and the Whites that time round meant they too ran out of money. Under the current structure - even at that stage, the likes of Lawwell will still pocket his £1m per season. That's more than any player or manager of Celtic is allowed to make any more. And that £1m is irregardless of whether we're successful on the park or not. To put it into context - we could potentially lose a one-horse league this season, and Lawwell will still take £1m out of the club next year.

It has to stop. It has to get tae eff.
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7 Feb 2016, 10:12 PM
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7 Feb 2016, 04:44 PM
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My seat was just along from the banner. I know the boys who had it.

When they lifted it up, a guy behind them starting going mental "get that doon" "ye've no idea what you're on about" etc

The boys told him otherwise. How the eff can punters be at the games & still defend the board? It's unreal.
The kind of happy clapping clowns that enable the board to completely take the piss :ffs:
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Well you could put a boycott on the cup tickets .it is a home game .
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8 Feb 2016, 12:05 PM
Strange if people think that. What has this got to do with the hun going kaput? I'm not asking the board to spend our way into silly debt. I'm asking them to do their effing jobs properly and efficiently.

We have a de facto owner, whose main interests lie elsewhere. Who'd rather be at Pebble Beach more than Parkhead.
A £20k per week Chief-Exec that has to carry the can for all the decisions made, both on and off the park. It's his failure to properly back the manager and has downsized the place, whilst picking up just shy of £9m over 12 years btw, that has us where we are today.
The rest of the board have just been a succession of bland, sycophantic toadies that are miles out of touch with the punters.

Yes, let's keep them; they're great.
Under the current set-up, Lawwell succeeds or fails by the performance of the club's scouting system. I'm afraid I don't follow any other teams closely enough to know the ratio of their hits/misses in the transfer market, but any time I've seen Celtic's signings listed and rated (on here) over the past few years, it's made for really grim reading.

Nobody will ever know the real nature of the dynamic between Lawwell and the Celtic manager when it comes to signings. I'm sure all of our recent managers have made their fair share of mistakes. But Lawwell has been present throughout--he's the guy responsible for implementing and overseeing a business model that functions. After all these years, there are no signs of progress; just chaos tinged with desperation. Football is less predictable than just about any other "business"--but even so, you can't expect to get anywhere if you constantly make it up as you go along.
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Suffice to say I've been going celtic wiki crazy :lol: but again, can't help but notice this rather erm... interesting account of Lawwell on his page:

His main critics generally cover the generally left wing politicos (like the Green Brigade), the perennially frustrated supporters and other keyboard militants.

You have to add that Lawwell has had to balance up the different authorities and supporters factions. It's possibly fair to say that no other Celtic head has ever done it so much better. When you look back over the thirty years prior to his appointment, the club's management had been marked by continual rifts with authorities with Fergus McCann or the old Biscuit Tin board. Granted a lot of that was due to the hun's hegemony of the system, but Lawwell steered the control away from them. That was healthy for the game.

In fairness, one issue that has irked many supporters he been his pay. He has been paid handsome amounts with his bonuses, sometimes excessively and this is something that has irked fans especially as numbers attending the matches was falling as his pay rose . Yet he was being paid th going rate in th market whether people liked it or not. He had been targeted by clubs down south but opted to remain, that in itself shows his commitment to the club were he could have made a mint away from Celtic.

The club had stuttered during his reign but nothing is easy in the lopsided football environment in European football. Stuck in a rut we are not going anywhere but men like Lawwell try their best. Issues like the appointment of Mowbray are criticised but few disagreed with it at the time, but should have been cut faster. Transfer budgets are no easy issue either, and simply we can't compete anymore.
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9 Feb 2016, 12:00 AM
Suffice to say I've been going celtic wiki crazy :lol: but again, can't help but notice this rather erm... interesting account of Lawwell on his page:

His main critics generally cover the generally left wing politicos (like the Green Brigade), the perennially frustrated supporters and other keyboard militants.

You have to add that Lawwell has had to balance up the different authorities and supporters factions. It's possibly fair to say that no other Celtic head has ever done it so much better. When you look back over the thirty years prior to his appointment, the club's management had been marked by continual rifts with authorities with Fergus McCann or the old Biscuit Tin board. Granted a lot of that was due to the hun's hegemony of the system, but Lawwell steered the control away from them. That was healthy for the game.

In fairness, one issue that has irked many supporters he been his pay. He has been paid handsome amounts with his bonuses, sometimes excessively and this is something that has irked fans especially as numbers attending the matches was falling as his pay rose . Yet he was being paid th going rate in th market whether people liked it or not. He had been targeted by clubs down south but opted to remain, that in itself shows his commitment to the club were he could have made a mint away from Celtic.

The club had stuttered during his reign but nothing is easy in the lopsided football environment in European football. Stuck in a rut we are not going anywhere but men like Lawwell try their best. Issues like the appointment of Mowbray are criticised but few disagreed with it at the time, but should have been cut faster. Transfer budgets are no easy issue either, and simply we can't compete anymore.
:lol: Bless him, settling for just a million quid a year out of his love for Celtic.
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Who the eff is writing that?
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Suffice to say I've been going celtic wiki crazy :lol: but again, can't help but notice this rather erm... interesting account of Lawwell on his page:

His main critics generally cover the generally left wing politicos (like the Green Brigade), the perennially frustrated supporters and other keyboard militants.

You have to add that Lawwell has had to balance up the different authorities and supporters factions. It's possibly fair to say that no other Celtic head has ever done it so much better. When you look back over the thirty years prior to his appointment, the club's management had been marked by continual rifts with authorities with Fergus McCann or the old Biscuit Tin board. Granted a lot of that was due to the hun's hegemony of the system, but Lawwell steered the control away from them. That was healthy for the game.

In fairness, one issue that has irked many supporters he been his pay. He has been paid handsome amounts with his bonuses, sometimes excessively and this is something that has irked fans especially as numbers attending the matches was falling as his pay rose . Yet he was being paid th going rate in th market whether people liked it or not. He had been targeted by clubs down south but opted to remain, that in itself shows his commitment to the club were he could have made a mint away from Celtic.

The club had stuttered during his reign but nothing is easy in the lopsided football environment in European football. Stuck in a rut we are not going anywhere but men like Lawwell try their best. Issues like the appointment of Mowbray are criticised but few disagreed with it at the time, but should have been cut faster. Transfer budgets are no easy issue either, and simply we can't compete anymore.
Did Lawwell write that himself?
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Who the eff is writing that?
Probably Lawwell.

They make it sounds as if he's doing us a favour by being here ffs.
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Who the eff is writing that?
I suspect it was JBC, bless him. :lol:
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8 Feb 2016, 12:05 PM
Strange if people think that. What has this got to do with the hun going kaput? I'm not asking the board to spend our way into silly debt. I'm asking them to do their effing jobs properly and efficiently.
Because we either pick up 10 guys at £1.5 million each or we sink £15 million on one players.

There's no middle ground in football these days. :(
We had one chance after we reached the last 16 - and we sold Vic and Forster soon after.
We must have made well over £20m that we didn't budget for.
That money should have been used to buy maybe two players who would immediately improve the team and improve our chances of at least making the groups.
Even if it didn't work that way, we wouldn't be making a loss and its not as if two £5m players wouldn't have the same chance of selling on as 10 one million pound players.

The money was earned by the team and the team should have benefited from it, also increasing our chances of making the groups the next year.

Its a pretty catastrophic failure on the part of the board that we are where we are now.
I don't recall us ever building from a position of strength in my lifetime. Same old story and look where it got us.
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Stuck in a rut we are not going anywhere but men like Lawwell try their best.
Fair enough, seems reasonable. Nothing to see here...
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