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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,737 Views)
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If fans want to affect change then why is there not a serious Celtic supporters group/trust gradually acquiring shares? You couldn't endeavour to take outright ownership but surely a group which has proxied rights from individual shareholders as well as a paid subscription and fundraising to acquire its own shares could build some sort of an influence? this thread is coming up to 18 months old expressing sentiments that have been there years but nothing really happens.
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QualityStreet1970
7 Feb 2016, 11:19 AM
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6 Feb 2016, 10:17 PM
CaltonBhoy1967
6 Feb 2016, 09:58 PM

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Ask Del Shannon.
Ooft.

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:lol: deserves love.
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brian
6 Feb 2016, 09:35 PM
How do we know that PL is the sole reason for the parsimony at the club? My view is that the only way forward for Celtic is the Ronnie way. Albeit perhaps Ronnie is not the person to deliver it
Is there a definition of what actually is the Ronny way?
Ask Del Shannon.
:lol: :theclap:
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QualityStreet1970
6 Feb 2016, 09:29 PM
Lawwell and Desmond seem to think they're being prudent by paying so little for players, as if any other course of action would be flirting with disaster. A ridiculous proposition.
What's ironic is that we have actually shat an absolute fortune in recent years on numerous SPL standard players or total duds dug up from the arse end of beyond.

We don't pay the transfer fees we used to be able to do to secure quality players but, barring a little purple patch with the likes of Hooper, Ledley, Forster and perhaps one or two others, our signings have been an absolute disaster zone for a while now.
Edited by paranoid_and_proud, 7 Feb 2016, 02:24 PM.
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paranoid_and_proud
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QualityStreet1970
6 Feb 2016, 09:29 PM
Lawwell and Desmond seem to think they're being prudent by paying so little for players, as if any other course of action would be flirting with disaster. A ridiculous proposition.
What's ironic is that we have actually shat an absolute fortune in recent years on numerous SPL standard players or total duds dug up from the arse end of beyond.

We don't pay the transfer fees we used to be able to do to secure quality players but, barring a little purple patch with the likes of Hooper, Ledley, Forster and perhaps one or two others, our signings have been an absolute disaster zone for a while now.
Another reason why the whole system has to change. Leicester city is a wake up call . We should be looking for Stuart Pearson to come in and change things . It was his hard work that is reaping the benefits now .
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It's sad to think that the reasons for Ronny not getting the bullet are political and not football related.
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station
7 Feb 2016, 03:05 PM
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7 Feb 2016, 02:23 PM
QualityStreet1970
6 Feb 2016, 09:29 PM
Lawwell and Desmond seem to think they're being prudent by paying so little for players, as if any other course of action would be flirting with disaster. A ridiculous proposition.
What's ironic is that we have actually shat an absolute fortune in recent years on numerous SPL standard players or total duds dug up from the arse end of beyond.

We don't pay the transfer fees we used to be able to do to secure quality players but, barring a little purple patch with the likes of Hooper, Ledley, Forster and perhaps one or two others, our signings have been an absolute disaster zone for a while now.
Another reason why the whole system has to change. Leicester city is a wake up call . We should be looking for Stuart Pearson to come in and change things . It was his hard work that is reaping the benefits now .
He deserves a huge amount of credit for the work he done there by he comes across as a very damaged and unstable bloke. It would be a terrible appointment for both him and us.
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7 Feb 2016, 04:44 PM
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Good to see

The only thing that will get this shower to move is feeling the disgust being aimed at them

As with the nonsense with the green brigade lawwell gets himself into entrenched positions where the only loser is Celtic

His arrogance knows no bounds and he could easily put his own belief in himself (not delia - in lawwell's eyes this is his project) before the last thing we have left of interest after the last two seasons - 10iar
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Excellent. I like the look of that
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mytsharp
6 Feb 2016, 10:53 PM
Apparently it was the Matuzalem-led 3-0 humping by Shakhtar in 2005 that convinced Desmond, Quinn and Lawwell to start pulling up the drawbridge.
Good Lord. First time I've heard that--shocking if true.

The idea that they would base the club's long-term plans on a single game is bad enough. But to ignore the respective teams' circumstances at the time? Celtic had been allowed to go rapidly downhill after Seville, and Shakhtar were spending oligarch-money on their team.
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station
7 Feb 2016, 03:05 PM
paranoid_and_proud
7 Feb 2016, 02:23 PM
QualityStreet1970
6 Feb 2016, 09:29 PM
Lawwell and Desmond seem to think they're being prudent by paying so little for players, as if any other course of action would be flirting with disaster. A ridiculous proposition.
What's ironic is that we have actually shat an absolute fortune in recent years on numerous SPL standard players or total duds dug up from the arse end of beyond.

We don't pay the transfer fees we used to be able to do to secure quality players but, barring a little purple patch with the likes of Hooper, Ledley, Forster and perhaps one or two others, our signings have been an absolute disaster zone for a while now.
Another reason why the whole system has to change. Leicester city is a wake up call . We should be looking for Stuart Pearson to come in and change things . It was his hard work that is reaping the benefits now .
I'd bring in Nigel Pearce personally :ph43r:
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There are many fair criticisms of how the club is being run, since the downsizing that began after the 2003 Uefa Cup final that I agree with, terrible managerial appointments, members of the board with no experience having any input on signings, having non footballing people in charge of the football operations, contact extensions of the MON stalwarts & there are plenty more examples of mismanagement of Celtic in the 13 years since.

However words like downsizing and prudence are flung about as if they are bad words, the downsizing began around 2003 when we didn't strengthen after the Uefa cup final but people seem to have forgotten that we were 1 year on from the idiotic decision to bin the Sky contract & set up SPL tv which fell flat on it's face. So we ended up taking a last minute contract with BBC Scotland on a fraction of the Sky deal & that it started the first round of austerity in Scottish football & 3 SPL clubs went in to administration, a decade before Rangers did.

How could we afford summers of 6 million transfers when our biggest source of income was now only worth a fraction of what it was when we were buying Hartson, Sutton, Lennon & the pre MON transfers of the late 1990s?

Downsizing wasn't part of some Machiavellian master plan plotted in the summer of 2003, it was a necessary response to the situation Scottish football found itself in. Many of the decisions we took however are unjustifiable, Lambert, Lennon Baldes contract extensions for a start. That was money for a couple of transfers pissed away.

Money isn't being invested in the team and the best players are being sold off, I don't want the club spending a single penny that it can't pay for & if that means selling off a star player every summer then we should do it. Otherwise we're going down the road of building a club on quicksand where we are solely dependent on a benefactor to fund us or a bank that will happily pull the carpet from under our feet.

I have more of an issue with how Celtic spend money on terrible signings, buying quantity rather than quality, paying the wages we do to mediocre players, rather than the figure that we spend.

I want the current board gone because they are failing to deliver footballing success. I'd rather see a much smaller squad with quality, instead of buying Bangura & Pukki at 2 million each and hedging our bets , go out and get the 6 million striker that we really need, refuse to resign Brown, Commons etc on the wages they are currently on & for gods sake don't pander to the media or even fans like we did over Commons because he hit a purple patch.

I don't want any level of financial mismanagement where our expenditure can't be justified and where the money going out in recruitment is higher than what's coming in, I want sensible decisions made that are very difficult to argue against.
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our manager is reputedly on £250K per year , our CEO is on a cool million a year, a couple of years ago he trousered £1.6 million for a years income from Celtic.
how on earth is this allowed to happen . its almost verging on criminal.
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7 Feb 2016, 02:23 PM

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Another reason why the whole system has to change. Leicester city is a wake up call . We should be looking for Stuart Pearson to come in and change things . It was his hard work that is reaping the benefits now .
I'd bring in Nigel Pearce personally :ph43r:
And put the shackles on him :ph43r:
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7 Feb 2016, 09:00 PM
There are many fair criticisms of how the club is being run, since the downsizing that began after the 2003 Uefa Cup final that I agree with, terrible managerial appointments, members of the board with no experience having any input on signings, having non footballing people in charge of the football operations, contact extensions of the MON stalwarts & there are plenty more examples of mismanagement of Celtic in the 13 years since.

However words like downsizing and prudence are flung about as if they are bad words, the downsizing began around 2003 when we didn't strengthen after the Uefa cup final but people seem to have forgotten that we were 1 year on from the idiotic decision to bin the Sky contract & set up SPL tv which fell flat on it's face. So we ended up taking a last minute contract with BBC Scotland on a fraction of the Sky deal & that it started the first round of austerity in Scottish football & 3 SPL clubs went in to administration, a decade before Rangers did.

How could we afford summers of 6 million transfers when our biggest source of income was now only worth a fraction of what it was when we were buying Hartson, Sutton, Lennon & the pre MON transfers of the late 1990s?

Downsizing wasn't part of some Machiavellian master plan plotted in the summer of 2003, it was a necessary response to the situation Scottish football found itself in. Many of the decisions we took however are unjustifiable, Lambert, Lennon Baldes contract extensions for a start. That was money for a couple of transfers pissed away.

Money isn't being invested in the team and the best players are being sold off, I don't want the club spending a single penny that it can't pay for & if that means selling off a star player every summer then we should do it. Otherwise we're going down the road of building a club on quicksand where we are solely dependent on a benefactor to fund us or a bank that will happily pull the carpet from under our feet.

I have more of an issue with how Celtic spend money on terrible signings, buying quantity rather than quality, paying the wages we do to mediocre players, rather than the figure that we spend.

I want the current board gone because they are failing to deliver footballing success. I'd rather see a much smaller squad with quality, instead of buying Bangura & Pukki at 2 million each and hedging our bets , go out and get the 6 million striker that we really need, refuse to resign Brown, Commons etc on the wages they are currently on & for gods sake don't pander to the media or even fans like we did over Commons because he hit a purple patch.

I don't want any level of financial mismanagement where our expenditure can't be justified and where the money going out in recruitment is higher than what's coming in, I want sensible decisions made that are very difficult to argue against.
I don't think the signing policy or strategy is completely wrong however it's clearly not being executed corrected in the players we are buying - when we purchase players, they should be going into the team or pushing very hard to get in there. We continually seem to be signing guys who aren't better than what we have and that is flawed.

As for signing £6m players - we could certainly afford to spend £6m on a player but we can't afford the wages these players expect. The likes of Sutton & Hartson etc would be expecting wages of close to £100k now a day whilst back then they were probably on £30k or so. A £6m player now would be busting our wage structure.
Edited by Jimbo Jones, 7 Feb 2016, 10:05 PM.
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I would have preferred ,sack the bored, but I'm older
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My seat was just along from the banner. I know the boys who had it.

When they lifted it up, a guy behind them starting going mental "get that doon" "ye've no idea what you're on about" etc

The boys told him otherwise. How the eff can punters be at the games & still defend the board? It's unreal.
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