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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,743 Views)
henrikisgod
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Could we arrange something like season ticket holders bombarding the ticket office and declaring their intent to not renew next season?
We need some kind of co-ordinated show and the only thing those effers will listen to is if the cash registers stop ringing
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Mackin
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brogan
4 Feb 2016, 11:03 AM
I'm beginning to think Lawwell wants out anyhow. Don't think he has the bottle to be CEO when it comes time to fight for the lost leagues. Heard he's already saying he's for the off because of personal reasons. I just hope it's not because he's bricking it against thep
He'll be there 'until he drops'. His words. Unless something has changed in the last 12 months to change his mind.

The only way the majority of folk are going to try and force change is if we actually lose the league. Apathy reigns supreme at the moment.
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Mackin
4 Feb 2016, 11:32 AM
brogan
4 Feb 2016, 11:03 AM
I'm beginning to think Lawwell wants out anyhow. Don't think he has the bottle to be CEO when it comes time to fight for the lost leagues. Heard he's already saying he's for the off because of personal reasons. I just hope it's not because he's bricking it against thep
He'll be there 'until he drops'. His words. Unless something has changed in the last 12 months to change his mind.

The only way the majority of folk are going to try and force change is if we actually lose the league. Apathy reigns supreme at the moment.
We'll probably put half a dozen past East Kilbride and it will be cited as progress, or us bouncing back.
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Luca
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Mackin
4 Feb 2016, 11:32 AM
brogan
4 Feb 2016, 11:03 AM
I'm beginning to think Lawwell wants out anyhow. Don't think he has the bottle to be CEO when it comes time to fight for the lost leagues. Heard he's already saying he's for the off because of personal reasons. I just hope it's not because he's bricking it against thep
He'll be there 'until he drops'. His words. Unless something has changed in the last 12 months to change his mind.

The only way the majority of folk are going to try and force change is if we actually lose the league. Apathy reigns supreme at the moment.
What is actually keeping him at the club?

He has enough money to never work again, therefore, it can only be his ego.

If that's the case it is currently taking one hell of a beating...which would suggest a change is imminent in order to salvage his pride.

Or am i just clutching...?
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juansheet
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I remember I was happy when Lawwell didn't go to Arsenal :nono:
Sharp-suited man :nono:
Has a wee dig at the huns on SSN and we all lap it up :nono:

God I'm sick of him. Don't think he's got a hope in hell of making that much anywhere else now folk see what he's made of

swear filter doesn't change Rangers to sevco :ffs:
Edited by juansheet, 4 Feb 2016, 11:39 AM.
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fatboab
4 Feb 2016, 11:30 AM
jebus82
4 Feb 2016, 11:24 AM
they are the main culprit in our demise and the worst thing is they just dont care.
but they're supporters too. :lol:



nothing will change until Lawwell goes. The only man who can force that change doesn't care, as long as he gets to dine at the top tables and play with the top golfers . Desmond uses Celtic. How we change that is the real question.
exactly right FB, lawwell knows no matter how bad the team are he still gets paid he has no incentive to try and improve things as his boss still pats him on the head. As for his boss as you say celtic are just a bit of bling for him, look at me look what i bought :ffs:

normally i would say a boycott is the only way to change things but i genuinely believe the board would just go "well we are only bringing 25m in so we will just reduce our out goings to the same level" and it would do more harm than good.

other than me winning some multiple rollover on the euro millions :lol: i dont see how the fans can change there mindset :cry:
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fatboab
4 Feb 2016, 11:30 AM
jebus82
4 Feb 2016, 11:24 AM
they are the main culprit in our demise and the worst thing is they just dont care.
but they're supporters too. :lol:



nothing will change until Lawwell goes. The only man who can force that change doesn't care, as long as he gets to dine at the top tables and play with the top golfers . Desmond uses Celtic. How we change that is the real question.
To move DD we'd need to buy his shares - not sure what that would cost as the price will go up the more he resists.

More likely he'd need to pop his clogs and his heirs show lack of interest - which might cost as much in any event.
Truth is he doesn't need the money. so it's hard to shift a guy like that if he doesn't want to be shifted.
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fatboab
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noelab
4 Feb 2016, 11:41 AM
fatboab
4 Feb 2016, 11:30 AM
jebus82
4 Feb 2016, 11:24 AM
they are the main culprit in our demise and the worst thing is they just dont care.
but they're supporters too. :lol:



nothing will change until Lawwell goes. The only man who can force that change doesn't care, as long as he gets to dine at the top tables and play with the top golfers . Desmond uses Celtic. How we change that is the real question.
To move DD we'd need to buy his shares - not sure what that would cost as the price will go up the more he resists.

More likely he'd need to pop his clogs and his heirs show lack of interest - which might cost as much in any event.
Truth is he doesn't need the money. so it's hard to shift a guy like that if he doesn't want to be shifted.
that's the real issue. I understand one of his sons encouraged him to stay in control, so the likelihood is that second generation Desmonds will want the kudos of effectively "owning" Celtic. It will be hard to get control if that is the case, which should be an enormous worry for all of us.
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Big_dave_greenock_1888
31 Jul 2014, 04:37 PM
Heres how we as a club run currently

De Facto owner - Dermot Desmond
PLC Board - Desmonds puppets
Club need new manager - Owner goes for his target, if owner doesnt get his target they turn to CEO

CEO - Peter Lawwell
Answers to - The De Facto owner
Club need new manager - Does the owners bidding, if thats a no no go for the cheap option

De Facto Director Of Football - Peter Lawwell
Answers to - The CEO (Peter Lawwell)
Perogative - To provide the head coach with cheap options via chief scout (John Park). Gives head coach list of options to pick from (usually cheaper the better) and work their way down a list of those who are handy/cheap enough to come to the club. This includes coaching staff (See J Collins)

Head Coach - Ronny Deila
Answers to - The CEO, De Factor Director Of Football & De Facto owner
Perogative - Be a patsy that wont knock the CEO/DOF nose out of place by working on a shoestring and the PLC board/owners dream i.e. cheap option, Thankful for the opportunity etc etc

The end
18 months later nothings changed since I posted this.
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bubba
3 Feb 2016, 11:20 PM
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3 Feb 2016, 11:03 PM
Will we ever again have a manager that has 100% control of signings and scouting?

Ever ever?
whoever is in charge of signings, they've made 22 of them since deila's been in charge

22

22 players in 4 transfer windows and we're this bad

it's difficult to get the sack at celtic park these days
Without wanting to make excuses for Deila - he clearly has to go - no manager can hope to fashion a coherent first team and squad with that many changes in such a short space of time, even if the players coming in were good, which clearly the vast majority aren't.

Lawwell and Park seem to consider the club a sort of pedigree dog breeding programme where players come in, get improved and then sold off at a profit. Every year.

The whole situation is ridiculous.
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carryondoc
4 Feb 2016, 11:51 AM
bubba
3 Feb 2016, 11:20 PM
Oss
3 Feb 2016, 11:03 PM
Will we ever again have a manager that has 100% control of signings and scouting?

Ever ever?
whoever is in charge of signings, they've made 22 of them since deila's been in charge

22

22 players in 4 transfer windows and we're this bad

it's difficult to get the sack at celtic park these days
Without wanting to make excuses for Deila - he clearly has to go - no manager can hope to fashion a coherent first team and squad with that many changes in such a short space of time, even if the players coming in were good, which clearly the vast majority aren't.

Lawwell and Park seem to consider the club a sort of pedigree dog breeding programme where players come in, get improved and then sold off at a profit. Every year.

The whole situation is ridiculous.
But in the context of the current state of European football i.e. a Superleague dwarfing all the others in terms of money, and us being marooned in a small potless league, it works if we get in the CL, as in 2012 and 2013. It does not work, spectacularly, when we don't get in the CL

And at this time the League is not in the bag.

Time for a change of manager, at the very least.
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fatboab
4 Feb 2016, 11:43 AM
I understand one of his sons encouraged him to stay in control, so the likelihood is that second generation Desmonds will want the kudos of effectively "owning" Celtic. It will be hard to get control if that is the case, which should be an enormous worry for all of us.
I heard the same thing. Presume the son who's keen on the Celtic shares is the one who is currently employed (in some capacity) by Man City.

"Your grandchildren will be supporters of team run by a family of absentee landlords who neither know nor care much about football."

Not very catchy, but you get my point.
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Corky Buczek
3 Feb 2016, 11:46 PM
fatboab
3 Feb 2016, 11:21 PM
It sounds more and more as if Desmond is the biggest problem. Only he can make the significant changes needed. He has to be called to task. Somehow.
For Ronnie to go, Lawwell has to admit that his boy has been a failure - whilst I think that is now blatantly obvious, I doubt PL will want to accept this or the likes of Tom Allison will try and get him to acknowledge it . If DD was so annoyed by a home cup defeat to Aberdeen that he had words with NL then you would hope that the last 75 hours might force his hand - but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I'd be surprised in Desmond knows the score from Sunday. He's just not interested in Celtic, certainly not the meaningless league games or the wee diddy cup. His complacency is a huge part of the problem as it allows PL to get away with murder.
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Mackin
4 Feb 2016, 11:32 AM
brogan
4 Feb 2016, 11:03 AM
I'm beginning to think Lawwell wants out anyhow. Don't think he has the bottle to be CEO when it comes time to fight for the lost leagues. Heard he's already saying he's for the off because of personal reasons. I just hope it's not because he's bricking it against thep
He'll be there 'until he drops'. His words. Unless something has changed in the last 12 months to change his mind.

The only way the majority of folk are going to try and force change is if we actually lose the league. Apathy reigns supreme at the moment.
He also gave an interview when he was 55 iirc saying he couldn't go on forever.

Fwiw at a tea and biscuits with Supporters this week he said he would look into something and get back to the person "within the next 6 weeks if I am still here" - Presumably a tongue in cheek comment but also indicative as you would expect (despite Deila's pish about them backing him and he backing them :rubeyes: ) that PL is aware of what the groundswell of opinion was amongst the Troops - After last night it is much more than a groundswell.

There are also some who deal with him that think when he does chuck it/leave or whatever he will do so when it is not really expected.

Right now I would honestly settle for Deila doing one to at least save the league - The Board is a harder issue to engage but that is not to say it can't be done and after the game last night there was a few very capable non " tea and biscuit" Guys who before they went down the road were having a serious discussion that enough is enough and something has to be done.

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Serious question: does anyone know if the board actually does any sort of succession planning for when managers leave?

We certainly didn't appear to have any real plan about who to approach when Lennon left, with Keane always looking like a knee jerk reaction and Deila only getting the gig because no-one else wanted him foisted on them as their assistant.

The fact that they were intending to bring Deila in as Lennon's assistant does at least look like an attempt at planning for whenever Lennon chose to leave, albeit one that backfired spectacularly when it became clear that no-one had thought to actually consult Lennon about it. I have a horrible feeling that the board were thinking that Collins could be a replacement for Deila one day, but surely even they'd know that that would only be tolerated if Deila had left because he had an offer he couldn't refuse from a big club in a richer league, not if Deila has to be sacked when everyone will see Collins as just another part of the problem.

It seems to me that it would be eminently sensible for the club to always have a shortlist of say half a dozen managers that they'd review every few months or so; six guys that they'd be able to approach as soon as the decision was made one way or another that the manager would be leaving. It wouldn't be undermining the manager at all, it'd just be sound business sense.
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PR offensive fae the club today. All of Deila, Griffiths and Brown are urging the fans to back the team. I don't recall the fans not backing the team. It reeks of desperation and a club in crisis and can't come from just the management staff & players.
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If RD and co are still in charge next season I'd like to think that SB's will take a hit especially as the £50 discount will be applied to the price but seeing as sevco will probably be promoted, barring a financial collapse, then the book attendance will probably rise.

20 years and this will be the 1st time I'll be seriously considering renewal.
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I'm fed up of the board but I'm even more fed up of reading inaccurate transfer fees on the net. Most of those signings didn't cost what you've put down.
Ciftci £ 1.25m
Boerrigter £ 1.7m
Johansen £ 1.5m
Boyata £ 1.5m
Pukki £ 2.4m
Scepovic £ 1.8m
Balde £ 1.8m
Bangoura £ 2.6m

From memory I think those were the figures £14.55m...if thats the case it doesn't make it any less of a complete balls up
We didny spend £5m on Pukki and the Banger, for eff's sake
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RD is still in a job as the board are as clueless as him. They don't see or care what they are doing to the club. They have bluffed their way through the last few years with scare stories about lost revenue and not wanting to end up like the huns. A large part of the lost revenue is self inflicted recruiting a prospect manager who has been knocked out of the CL three times in two attempts.
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