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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,752 Views)
Quiet Assasin
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greenwhiteandold
4 Jan 2016, 10:51 PM
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4 Jan 2016, 10:32 PM
greenwhiteandold
4 Jan 2016, 10:32 PM

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Aye. I bet he needs the money.
i dont know if he needs the money or not but i do know he`s not spending any on the club ,If he has got the largest shareholding and can dictate policy without losing because other shareholder aggregates cannot beat his voting rights how does that differ from being an owner ?
He doesn't have the level of shareholding required to takeover so it doesn't matter how many people vote in his favour, he's not the owner and most likely never will be.
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greenwhiteandold
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i dont know if he needs the money or not but i do know he`s not spending any on the club ,If he has got the largest shareholding and can dictate policy without losing because other shareholder aggregates cannot beat his voting rights how does that differ from being an owner ?
He doesn't have the level of shareholding required to takeover so it doesn't matter how many people vote in his favour, he's not the owner and most likely never will be.
ok thanks, maybe owner was the wrong choice of word, what i was trying to say was that with his level of shareholding his policies re direction of club are more or less guaranteed to be passed at all times,Not quite owner status but close enough
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greenwhiteandold
4 Jan 2016, 11:13 PM
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He doesn't have the level of shareholding required to takeover so it doesn't matter how many people vote in his favour, he's not the owner and most likely never will be.
ok thanks, maybe owner was the wrong choice of word, what i was trying to say was that with his level of shareholding his policies re direction of club are more or less guaranteed to be passed at all times,Not quite owner status but close enough
Yes, I'd agree that he has de facto control of the club without the legal responsibility as the owner.
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Geo footballs an entertainment business , today you could count the shots on target from Celtic on one hand and this has been going on since the manager arrived, its not good enough for Celtic and he should never have been given the Managers job .Lawwell and the rest of the board should be ashamed of what we are currently being served up. in European terms this season they and they alone have embarrassed the hoops and made us the whipping boys .

A million + a year for Lawwell is a scandal, he probably earns more than any of our players ffs, he gets an easy ride from the supporters who moan like hell about Ronnie when he and the rest of the board should be their target ,some of the boards decisions over the years have been ridiculous, I mean what was the thinking of our CEO when he head hunted a manager( Tony Mowbray) and pay millions to buy out his contract to bring him to Celtic, ffs Mowbray had just got his team relegated and we head hunted him ??. it cost 5 million to sack him and his backroom staff , for that alone Lawwell should have been sacked.. Lawwell and co have made major costly errors over the years, but as long as the balance sheet is healthy Desmond is happy and they get away with it . Celtic should have the best manager that we can afford not some unknown guy from Norway who was supposed to be the assistant but was given the gig because no one of any stature would work under the control of Lawwell.

Our board are lucky that Rangers snuffed it .


100% - We are not over the Mowbray debacle - The financial waste that went into the decision to actively recruit him & his selected backroom team followed by the vast expense to get rid of the duds in under a season should have seen Lawwell handed his P45 & chased out of dodge. Since then the smug clown has been screwing the club over season after season. He hires "managers" who are so grateful to be given the opportunity they go along with his every whim, he sells any player that accumulates a value regardless of the effect it has on the first team, replacing them with weaker & weaker options until the "squad" is struggling to beat even mediocre domestic competition.

Regardless of this Lawwell continues to be paid a vastly over-inflated yearly salary & bonus. We have the highest wage bill in Scottish football by a country mile which when you actually look at what dross that plays for us beggars belief. We are easily overpaying this garbage more than double what we should be.

I remember the Kelly & Whyte years, Terry Cassiday, etc. These current clowns are worse in my opinion. They don't give a damn about the club or the fans, they simply care about the bottom line, nothing more, nothing less. They view the fans in the same way as Chuckie Green viewed the desperate huns, as cash cows to be milked again & again & again. They rely on our loyalty to the club to assume that no matter how pish poor the team is we will keep rolling up & handing over the cash. They are arrogant, aloof & totally devoid of any circumspect self awareness.

Nothing will change at this club until Lawwell and all his cronies are gone, DD included. Sadly there does not seem to be anyone with the resources interested in stepping in and taking over with a view to putting us on a more sure fitting.

We have no answers it seems other than to watch more & more of the core support go MIA on an almost game by game basis.

Desperate times indeed.
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I don't want a sugar daddy owner to plough money into the club. From wherever.

And I do think DD is the right type of majority shareholder to provide stability.

However, I expect that as a football club, he has to address the current malaise around the club and in particular the underachieving players, and those that employed them.

Sharpish!

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Achnotagain
4 Jan 2016, 11:37 PM
I don't want a sugar daddy owner to plough money into the club. From wherever.

And I do think DD is the right type of majority shareholder to provide stability.

However, I expect that as a football club, he has to address the current malaise around the club and in particular the underachieving players, and those that employed them.

Sharpish!

Not a chance.

He will pop up on Sky Sports news in a few years time at a golf tournament to inform us not to worry as it won't be long until until we're in the EPL.

He views the club through Lawwell tinted specs and let me tell you that is one hell of a tinted view!!
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How much has Lawwell securing himself a seat at the various committee tables he's on, got to do with him being so bulletproof at Celtic?
I'd guess, that whoever replaced him at Celtic, might just as easily replace him on these committees, or is it the person who is voted/anointed into these seats rather than their position (in a member club)?

Anyway, he's doing the same level of job in helping run "the game" in Scotland as he is in Parkhead... shampooe.
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Quiet Assasin
4 Jan 2016, 11:20 PM
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ok thanks, maybe owner was the wrong choice of word, what i was trying to say was that with his level of shareholding his policies re direction of club are more or less guaranteed to be passed at all times,Not quite owner status but close enough
Yes, I'd agree that he has de facto control of the club without the legal responsibility as the owner.
To me DD is the major factor in our decline over the years, imo things will never change with him at the helm, we can blame the manager,players,backroomstaff,scouting,everybody, but at the end of the day he sets the standards, I have nothing personal against him at all but i wish we could get vision and passion into his boardroom.
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Achnotagain
4 Jan 2016, 11:37 PM
I don't want a sugar daddy owner to plough money into the club. From wherever.

And I do think DD is the right type of majority shareholder to provide stability.

He could indeed be the right type; but as an individual? I don't think so. He has presided over dangerous decline at Celtic, and shown zero inclination to do anything about it. In fact, he doesn't seem unhappy with the Status Quo. (Cue chorus of: "Down, down...")

Celtic FC is just a wee trinket in the portfolio of Desmond, who doesn't seem to be a "football man" by any stretch of the imagination. In the past he made some big decisions based on the advice of football men within his social circle. The results have been hit and miss--which is neither here nor there, since it doesn't look like he'll be taking another swing anytime soon. Unless you're talking about golf, of course. FORE!

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Hairytoes
5 Jan 2016, 12:02 AM
How much has Lawwell securing himself a seat at the various committee tables he's on, got to do with him being so bulletproof at Celtic?
I'd guess, that whoever replaced him at Celtic, might just as easily replace him on these committees, or is it the person who is voted/anointed into these seats rather than their position (in a member club)?

Anyway, he's doing the same level of job in helping run "the game" in Scotland as he is in Parkhead... shampooe.
To be honest, I can't believe Lawwell is still at CP. Whether or not he takes the appropriate blame for the situation, he must realise that the club is not in great shape. I'd have thought he'd have found himself some cushy gig at a mid-table Premiership club by now. Obviously he's getting well remunerated (to say the least!) at Celtic, but even he must know that eventually there will have to be some kind of reckoning.
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I bet DD is shampooe at golf.
Has anyone seen him play?
Strikes me as the "all the gear, no idea" type - who are in it for the exclusivity of the courses they can afford to "play".
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They punted my season ticket up almost £100 to compensate for the huns dying and dropping out, which to this day is one of the most unforgiveable, cynical acts of this board in the middle of a recession, they lost fans through sheer thoughtlessness or ruthlessness with that one .

I`ve kept going since as I`ve been an ST holder every season since 88-89, it kills me to think of not buying one again, but there is absolutely no chance I`m paying £600 to sit in the North stand and miss 3-4 games due to work commitments next season.There were 36 of us in a block from our CSC at one point there`s now 11 or 12 and dwindling, another £50 on it will see most of us off.


I can put up with bad seasons and bad managers, I`ve seen enough of them off, but people who run the club now are complacent, unimaginative and overpaid. They have no idea how to generate interest on and off the park and are happy to shrug,point the finger and blame external factors.
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Lawwell says the board are managing decline ! the only thing that's not declining at Celtic is his financial package .
Celtic should be light years ahead of sevco but look at the state of us , all due to lack of direction and ambition from the board .
We have needlessly lost the revenue from Champions League football on far too many occasions under his direction ,
a bankrupt sevco pipped us to a number of titles and gained the serious cash while we were messing about trying to save a few hundred grand . (Fletcher for example).
any other CEO would have been fired , instead this guy walks away with a £20 grand a week package........ no questions asked .
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Maleys Spirit
5 Jan 2016, 12:31 AM
They punted my season ticket up almost £100 to compensate for the huns dying and dropping out, which to this day is one of the most unforgiveable, cynical acts of this board in the middle of a recession, they lost fans through sheer thoughtlessness or ruthlessness with that one .

I`ve kept going since as I`ve been an ST holder every season since 88-89, it kills me to think of not buying one again, but there is absolutely no chance I`m paying £600 to sit in the North stand and miss 3-4 games due to work commitments next season.There were 36 of us in a block from our CSC at one point there`s now 11 or 12 and dwindling, another £50 on it will see most of us off.


I can put up with bad seasons and bad managers, I`ve seen enough of them off, but people who run the club now are complacent, unimaginative and overpaid. They have no idea how to generate interest on and off the park and are happy to shrug,point the finger and blame external factors.
What section you in? Everyone I know got a reduction on their price rather than an increase.
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Maleys Spirit
5 Jan 2016, 12:31 AM
They punted my season ticket up almost £100 to compensate for the huns dying and dropping out, which to this day is one of the most unforgiveable, cynical acts of this board in the middle of a recession, they lost fans through sheer thoughtlessness or ruthlessness with that one .

I`ve kept going since as I`ve been an ST holder every season since 88-89, it kills me to think of not buying one again, but there is absolutely no chance I`m paying £600 to sit in the North stand and miss 3-4 games due to work commitments next season.There were 36 of us in a block from our CSC at one point there`s now 11 or 12 and dwindling, another £50 on it will see most of us off.


I can put up with bad seasons and bad managers, I`ve seen enough of them off, but people who run the club now are complacent, unimaginative and overpaid. They have no idea how to generate interest on and off the park and are happy to shrug,point the finger and blame external factors.
What section you in? Everyone I know got a reduction on their price rather than an increase.
Mine went up £60 or so before the £100 discount so I'm paying more than I was the season before they started shuffling things about :lol:
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5 Jan 2016, 12:21 AM
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5 Jan 2016, 12:02 AM
How much has Lawwell securing himself a seat at the various committee tables he's on, got to do with him being so bulletproof at Celtic?
I'd guess, that whoever replaced him at Celtic, might just as easily replace him on these committees, or is it the person who is voted/anointed into these seats rather than their position (in a member club)?

Anyway, he's doing the same level of job in helping run "the game" in Scotland as he is in Parkhead... shampooe.
To be honest, I can't believe Lawwell is still at CP. Whether or not he takes the appropriate blame for the situation, he must realise that the club is not in great shape. I'd have thought he'd have found himself some cushy gig at a mid-table Premiership club by now. Obviously he's getting well remunerated (to say the least!) at Celtic, but even he must know that eventually there will have to be some kind of reckoning.
To be honest, our job is probably as cushy as it gets. In a mid-table English club, he could easily have an Aston Villa type season, relegation, and then he is probably fired. Here, we have safe league position, ownership that cares just about breaking even, and he can even blame any Celtic decline on Rangers' collapse. We probably won't see a decent challenge for the title from Rangers or any other team until Lawwell is well past 60, with many millions in bank and starting to think about some nice sunny island to retire to.
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Now that my boy has turned 16 and is no longer on the child ticket rates, our attendance of games will be drastically reduced. It's just not value for money at those prices, especially taking into account the facilities inside the ground are terrible and have been for years. Adding more lukewarm food does not equal better facilities.

I think next season could genuinely see me not attending a game at all if nothing changes :/
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Dantebhoy
5 Jan 2016, 04:11 AM
QualityStreet1970
5 Jan 2016, 12:21 AM
Hairytoes
5 Jan 2016, 12:02 AM
How much has Lawwell securing himself a seat at the various committee tables he's on, got to do with him being so bulletproof at Celtic?
I'd guess, that whoever replaced him at Celtic, might just as easily replace him on these committees, or is it the person who is voted/anointed into these seats rather than their position (in a member club)?

Anyway, he's doing the same level of job in helping run "the game" in Scotland as he is in Parkhead... shampooe.
To be honest, I can't believe Lawwell is still at CP. Whether or not he takes the appropriate blame for the situation, he must realise that the club is not in great shape. I'd have thought he'd have found himself some cushy gig at a mid-table Premiership club by now. Obviously he's getting well remunerated (to say the least!) at Celtic, but even he must know that eventually there will have to be some kind of reckoning.
To be honest, our job is probably as cushy as it gets. In a mid-table English club, he could easily have an Aston Villa type season, relegation, and then he is probably fired. Here, we have safe league position, ownership that cares just about breaking even, and he can even blame any Celtic decline on Rangers' collapse. We probably won't see a decent challenge for the title from Rangers or any other team until Lawwell is well past 60, with many millions in bank and starting to think about some nice sunny island to retire to.
I was thinking about that, DB: with the new Sky money kicking in, the Premiership could be less predictable than it was. "Mid-table safety" might not apply to too many clubs. But since Lawwell must surely know the kind of worst-case scenario that Celtic might be looking--a scenario that he's done very little to avert--I would have thought that he'd be on the lookout for other options. I don't know if the Championship's TV deal is about to get bumped up, or whether it's on a different negotiating "cycle" to the Premiership; either way, I'd imagine that there must be a good few well-supported Championship clubs that could also afford "The Man With the Million-Pound Brain."

Having said all that... as long as Dick Dastardly is in control, it doesn't really matter who's wearing the Muttley costume.
Edited by QualityStreet1970, 5 Jan 2016, 07:44 AM.
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Next year will be the 50th anniversary of Lisbon. Lawwell and Co will drain every penny out that one.
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4 Jan 2016, 10:02 PM
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They told us one time that there was a waiting list of 10,000😏
I have no doubt a waiting list of some kind existed.

We sold out the 53 000 season tickets year on year and filled 60 000 seats for league games. ( when we had a team )

Seems unbelievable that not that long ago the stadium was not big enough to cope with demand. :cry:
Build it and they will come.

Destroy it and they will leave :(
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