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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,757 Views)
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Smiley
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27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing.
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paulfg42
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27 Nov 2015, 06:12 PM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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- Smiley
- 27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing.
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JonnyB67
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27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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http://www.celticfc.net/news/9612
New financial director appointed.
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lesdon67
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27 Nov 2015, 06:56 PM
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- philibhoy
- 27 Nov 2015, 12:52 AM
The most worrying thing for me is hearing diehard tims saying they are ready to chuck it because of the way the club is being run. I'm one of them. I watched my first Celtic game at Parkhead in 1958 and I've never been as sick of a board as this one (that includes the Kellys and the Whites). We've got an owner who simply couldn't give a flying feck about the club, Bankier and Livingstone (who have both made complete dicks of themselves the last few days) and then we have the Teflon Man himself, Peter Fecking Lawwell, £1m per year plus bonuses. The very man who hired the current manager. Says it all really.
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shugmc
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27 Nov 2015, 06:57 PM
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- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30805669
Was a liquidator of Murray's companies
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TheEvilGenius
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27 Nov 2015, 07:11 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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- JonnyB67
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
Oh. Goodie.
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Wanyerma
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28 Nov 2015, 12:29 AM
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- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
Oh. Goodie. Stauner
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Duff
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28 Nov 2015, 12:30 AM
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- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
He's a relation to my pal. He's a nice guy.
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GanleyBhoy95
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28 Nov 2015, 01:33 AM
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- JonnyB67
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
Can he replace Lawwell?
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Mrs HF4Ls Biggest fan
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28 Nov 2015, 01:43 AM
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- GanleyBhoy95
- 28 Nov 2015, 01:33 AM
- JonnyB67
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
Can he replace Lawwell? Can he play central midfield?
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Bobby Peru
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28 Nov 2015, 10:23 AM
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The Maestro
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- Duff
- 28 Nov 2015, 12:30 AM
- JonnyB67
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
He's a relation to my pal. He's a nice guy. Who does he vote for?
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28 Nov 2015, 10:52 AM
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
We must all move forth and proclaim the good news
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KevinC_93
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28 Nov 2015, 03:33 PM
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- Mrs HF4Ls Biggest fan
- 28 Nov 2015, 01:43 AM
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- JonnyB67
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
Can he replace Lawwell?
Can he play central midfield?
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Timdom come
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28 Nov 2015, 08:55 PM
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- paulfg42
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:12 PM
- Smiley
- 27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/28/celtic-fc-living-wage
Article -well, more an opinion piece- in the Guardian on the issue.
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frankebhoy
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28 Nov 2015, 09:13 PM
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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- Timdom come
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- paulfg42
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- Smiley
- 27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/28/celtic-fc-living-wageArticle -well, more an opinion piece- in the Guardian on the issue. Well spoken by a true wordsmith .
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CaltonBhoy1967
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28 Nov 2015, 09:17 PM
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Billy McNeill - "Mr Celtic"
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- Timdom come
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- paulfg42
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:12 PM
- Smiley
- 27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/28/celtic-fc-living-wageArticle -well, more an opinion piece- in the Guardian on the issue. Excellent article.
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Lubo The Magician
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28 Nov 2015, 09:20 PM
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The Devil's right hand...
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- Bobby Peru
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- Duff
- 28 Nov 2015, 12:30 AM
- JonnyB67
- 27 Nov 2015, 06:37 PM
He's a relation to my pal. He's a nice guy.
Who does he vote for? Oy vey! What a question to ask
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In The Heat of Lisbon
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28 Nov 2015, 09:35 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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- Timdom come
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- paulfg42
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- Smiley
- 27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/28/celtic-fc-living-wageArticle -well, more an opinion piece- in the Guardian on the issue. Very good piece.
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Gothamcelt
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29 Nov 2015, 12:27 PM
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Michael Gannon points out 'everything that is wrong' with Celtic but like all journalists offers no options to put it right.
Michael Gannon: Celtic took too many wrong turns and got lost while Rangers languished in the wilderness
MICHAEL believes Celtic are at a crossroads and a change of direction is needed from the Parkhead board.
IT'S hard to admit you’re lost. When you’ve been driving around for hours without much of a scooby, it’s tough to turn to the missus in the passenger seat and cough up that she was right all along.
But at some point you need to bite the bullet, because the longer you go on guessing the harder it gets to find your way back.
Spoiler: click to toggle Celtic boss Ronny Deila looked lost when asked the bog-standard “Where do you go from here?” question after Ajax on Thursday night. The normally cool Norwegian lost the rag for once. “We go forward,” he said. “Always forward.” Sorry Ronny but the only thing at Celtic going in that direction is the clock. The rest of the club is going round in circles at best and backwards at worst. That doesn’t just go for Deila. It’s top to bottom. Celtic are a club that’s taken too many wrong turns and ended up in a cul-de-sac on the wrong side of town. They must wish they could reverse back a couple of years and have another bash – because Celtic have completely botched the Rangers wilderness years. This should have been the wonder years. The cash should have been flowing in and the Hoops should have been waiting for their old rivals coming back like a Bond baddie sitting in his swivelling seat, stroking a cat and marvelling at his dastardly plan. But they’re not. They’ve become joke figures in the very competitions they should be targeting. They’ve had a free crack at the Champions League for four seasons. Four free punches thanks to their only realistic rival lying on the canvas. But they’ve swung and missed and fallen flat on their face. The project has not worked. Two years ago Peter Lawwell and the board felt it was a good time to try something. They looked at the changing climate and thought it was low risk. We’ll scoosh the league so why not take a punt. But it doesn’t work that way. The Champions League has to be Celtic’s domain. The champions route of qualification lights the path for clubs like Celtic. Deila and John Collins talk about budget issues but don’t give us that. Celtic are one of the big boys when it comes to the sides in the champions route sections of the draw. The likes of Maribor and Molde would love the kind of dough the Parkhead club can command. Yes, it’s a difficult environment with Rangers gone but that makes Europe even more important. That’s where the honey lies. But they’ve made a total mess of it. Lawwell told Celtic’s shareholders last week the manager was a builder and a developer. That’s all very well – how the heck can a boss be relied on to develop when he’s still learning himself? Managers don’t get to be builders when they are starting out. They earn that right. Sir Alex Ferguson was the best developer of the lot but made his mistakes lower down the food chain. Deila could well go on to be a great boss. There are certainly signs he has something about him. But he’s being allowed to make his errors at a club where there is no room for constant cock-ups. He’s not been helped by a recruitment policy that’s gone to pot. He’s signed – or been given – 19 players and not many of them have made an impression. The system’s not working and the damage is too great. Celtic have missed out on up to £40million for going AWOL from the Champions League. Even this Europa League campaign will be lucky to earn them the bus fare home given you get dosh for points. The Celtic fans have been brilliantly patient with Deila – but that patience is beginning to run out. They can only watch the same horror film so many times. They don’t expect to be beating Barcelona. No one is saying they can go back to the glory days of the 2000s when Celtic lost just twice at home in Europe in eight years – both times to Barca. But they do demand beating Malmo, Molde and Ajax at home. They can’t accept losing 39 goals in 25 games – all in qualifiers as well as Europe’s second-tier competition. The punters are not buying the Del Boy Trotter “next year we’ll be millionaires Rodney” routine. Lawwell has practically promised Deila another crack at it next season. Fans see the likes of David Moyes sitting in the stands on Thursday and get fanciful ideas. Forget it. Moyes didn’t fancy it in 2009 or 2010 when Celtic were a force and had a proper challenge at home. When the likes of West Brom and Newcastle are paying mangers £2m a year, for Moyes to end up at Parkhead would suggest he needed a new agent. That’s not going to happen but Celtic do have a major decision to make. They are at the crossroads and now it’s keep charging on in the dark and hope they hit the motorway – or admit they’re up a blind alley and ask the missus to dig out the satnav. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/michael-gannon-celtic-took-many-6922415#rlabs=4%20rt$sitewide%20p$1
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shugmc
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29 Nov 2015, 04:21 PM
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- paulfg42
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- 27 Nov 2015, 05:47 PM
We should be signing up to the Living Wage foundation's pledge and becoming an accredited employer. This is as true yesterday as it is today whatever a proven liar at another club is kidding on he's doing. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/28/celtic-fc-living-wageArticle -well, more an opinion piece- in the Guardian on the issue. Kevin McKenna - I despair at Celtic’s antics over the living wage
Celtic FC is wonderful, but the club needs to rethink its wage policy The football column I turn to first on a Sunday morning resides in the Observer’s sports section, tucked away beneath the fold, often on a left-hand page and after the main business of reporting on the Saturday matches has been disposed of.
It’s called Said and Done and it’s a witty and excoriating compendium of the corruption, hypocrisy and exploitation that underpins the global business of football. In here are chronicled, among other things, the routine backhanders and casual money laundering that a shady cast of chisellers, under the auspices of Fifa and assorted national football associations, deploy to line their pockets with millions of pounds.
The narrative underpinning all these snapshots of routine casuistry in the Beautiful Game is a simple one: football is the most popular game on the planet and still offers the opportunity for poor people to fight their way out of poverty or simply to be transported from the struggles of their daily lives, but too often this emotional fervour is exploited by football administrator and club officials. Any week now I expect to see some of the recent pantomime antics at Celtic FC, the club that I follow, featuring in the Said and Done column.
Celtic, for those unfamiliar with them, were the first British club to win the European Champions cup. It is also the only club ever to have achieved this gargantuan feat with players solely from the districts that surround its ground. The club was founded exclusively to help the poor Irish peasantry who fled their homeland in the 19th century following the ravages of an Gorta Mór, the Great Famine, which ravaged the land.
The descendants of these people still form the core of the Celtic support and many are also to be found working for the club on low wages or in a part-time capacity. Their love of Celtic and what they think the club represents play a major role in their job satisfaction and loyalty to their employers. For many of the supporters, poverty, multi-deprivation and health inequality remain significant factors in their day-to-day existence.
Presumably that is why more than 10,000 recently signed a petition seeking the removal of Ian Livingston from Celtic’s board of directors. I know people who have dealt with Livingston, a successful businessman, and they describe him as decent, honest and thoroughly likable. He is also a lord of the realm who sits in the Upper House as a representative of the Conservative party. Earlier this month, he voted in that chamber to support the government’s plans to end family tax credits, a measure that would have increased the economic hardship being experienced by tens of thousands of families who support Celtic.
There was another perverse irony suffusing this: Livingston’s official title when he attends the House of Lords is Lord Livingston of Parkhead, this being the fabled East End district of Glasgow from which Celtic was sprung and where it yet resides.
Parkhead is also one of the five poorest neighbourhoods in the United Kingdom, where male life expectancy is barely 60 years and where the rates of heart disease, unemployment, poor academic achievement and fuel poverty are scandalously high. Celtic, as a club, has grown successful and its players very rich on generations of support from Parkhead and many other districts like it.
When the issue of Lord Livingston’s future as a Celtic director was aired at the club’s AGM earlier this month it elicited a bizarre tirade from the chairman, Ian Bankier. He railed against those who were seeking his lordship’s removal and described them as “criminally racist”. A few days later, he “clarified” these remarks by claiming that they were aimed at some social media chatter in which the issue of Lord Livingston’s faith (he is Jewish) was raised. Yet neither he nor his fellow directors appeared to acknowledge that his original wild remarks seemed to besmirch all those who had signed the original petition.
Bankier, of course, is the man who defended Celtic’s refusal to pay the living wage to its lowest-paid employees at the 2013 AGM. As well as that, he asserted inexplicably that Celtic did not recognise any trade unions and that to pay the living wage to all of its employees would cost the club around £500k a year. £500k wouldn’t cover the bonuses of several of the current first team whose record of failure in European football these last two seasons is the worst in the club’s history.
Since then, Celtic has modified its position by stating that it will pay the living wage to its full-time staff. Troublingly, though, I have been approached by one of its employees who is distressed that in exchange for paying him the living wage the club is asking him and others to forfeit their annual bonus. Celtic is concerned that by signing up to the living wage set by the Living Wage Foundation it is ceding some control of its remuneration policy to an outside agency. What it fails to recognise is that there would be no requirement for the Living Wage Foundation to exist if rich organisations such as Celtic FC paid all of its employees a wage that gave them an opportunity to raise a family, feed and heat them and maintain a roof over all of their heads.
I have no objection to Lord Livingston of Parkhead continuing to serve on the board of my club. He is a man of integrity and rare commercial expertise. He and his fellow directors, though, need to realise that the petition to remove him was really a cri de coeur from their core support at what they regard as the continuing betrayal of the club’s founding principles.
Celtic FC is a wonderful organisation, loved by millions, which gives generously to good causes all over the world. It also undertakes valuable social initiatives within its own community. As such, the club likes to think of itself as “more than just a football club”. Yet, by adhering to the socially irresponsible philosophy of the Conservative party in its wage policy it risks inflicting irreparable damage to this jealously guarded reputation. I am making an impassioned plea to the board of directors to think again on the living wage issue.
- Celtic has modified its position by stating that it will pay the living wage to its full-time staff...
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...Troublingly, though, I have been approached by one of its employees who is distressed that in exchange for paying him the living wage the club is asking him and others to forfeit their annual bonus. Celtic is concerned that by signing up to the living wage set by the Living Wage Foundation it is ceding some control of its remuneration policy to an outside agency. What it fails to recognise is that there would be no requirement for the Living Wage Foundation to exist if rich organisations such as Celtic FC paid all of its employees a wage that gave them an opportunity to raise a family, feed and heat them and maintain a roof over all of their heads
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