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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,762 Views)
Maleys Spirit
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adammce
23 Nov 2015, 03:32 PM
EddieMaguire
23 Nov 2015, 03:31 PM
Before anyone starts having at go about the politics of the board member, can we all agree that anti-semitism has no place whatsoever among supporters of Celtic and anyone participating in it should be told not to to come back to Celtic Park, ever?
Shouldn't even need to be said, really.
Yep totally, unequivocally unacceptable, as is hunting someone for having differing political views. Who caused more damage to people in the UK or around the world with their political actions or inactions in government in recent years, John Reid or Ian Livingstone?

I have no truck with a guy being successful and being recognised by HIS peers ( not mine) for what he does, the fact he then has to toe a certain line and behave in a certain way to maintain his status is something for him to live with personally for the rest of his days.

Tory values and businessmen have went hand in hand at Celtic and other clubs since almost the clubs inception, history tells us that the club have switched it`s charitable heritage on and off like a light switch when it suits and that some of those business practices would not have borne the current internet scrutiny of an online moral or ethical crusade.

It has smelt like a witch hunt to me initially and I speak as someone who has worked at the coalface of the bitter end of Tory policy making for 30 years.

Now it`s just a PR disaster thanks to the clumsy interventions of our Chairman who seemed ill prepared for his role at the AGM.
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Maleys Spirit
23 Nov 2015, 03:47 PM
Now it`s just a PR disaster thanks to the clumsy interventions of our Chairman who seemed ill prepared for his role at the AGM.
Apparently Bankier didn't come across well at any stage of the proceedings, even stumbling his way through his pre-recorded video. The guy's an idiot, whatever his business credentials.
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So this torrent of abuse comprised two comments of a racist nature and then some others, based on other questionable character traits?

And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

Even if livingstone stays, bankier has to go
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paulfg42
23 Nov 2015, 03:53 PM
Maleys Spirit
23 Nov 2015, 03:47 PM
Now it`s just a PR disaster thanks to the clumsy interventions of our Chairman who seemed ill prepared for his role at the AGM.
Apparently Bankier didn't come across well at any stage of the proceedings, even stumbling his way through his pre-recorded video. The guy's an idiot, whatever his business credentials.
Wonder if fatboab agrees that Mr Bankier should be emptied? :ph43r:
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adammce
23 Nov 2015, 03:32 PM
EddieMaguire
23 Nov 2015, 03:31 PM
Before anyone starts having at go about the politics of the board member, can we all agree that anti-semitism has no place whatsoever among supporters of Celtic and anyone participating in it should be told not to to come back to Celtic Park, ever?
Shouldn't even need to be said, really.
It shouldn't, but it does.
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Taking aside the personalities of our board members, and silly comments also. as a business I think things need to be refreshed at the top. As a Business we have stagnated, there are no new ideas or innovation to change thing - I mean some of our board members have been around for nearly more than half my life and in business that isn't good, but it seems that while DD is getting his return he is not interested in new ideas or risks, and for the sake of the team and not the business we need new faces and new ideas.
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bubba
23 Nov 2015, 03:56 PM
So this torrent of abuse comprised two comments of a racist nature and then some others, based on other questionable character traits?

And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

Even if livingstone stays, bankier has to go
They can both eff off.

Wilson, Allison and Lawwell can follow them.
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Maleys Spirit
23 Nov 2015, 03:47 PM

Tory values and businessmen have went hand in hand at Celtic and other clubs since almost the clubs inception, history tells us that the club have switched it`s charitable heritage on and off like a light switch when it suits and that some of those business practices would not have borne the current internet scrutiny of an online moral or ethical crusade.
Spot on.
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23 Nov 2015, 12:00 PM
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23 Nov 2015, 11:15 AM
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23 Nov 2015, 10:55 AM

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People often cite the Spanish system, where fans vote for a president, as one worth following. But many Spanish clubs are absolute basket cases. Barcelona's tax dealings make the old Rangers seem positively altruistic. While Real Madrid are about to sack yet another manager in knee-jerk fashion. I'm not convinced fan ownership would end daft decisions being made. In fact, it might make things even worse.
Need something better to make the Board more answerable to fans as well as shareholders -our major shareholder couldnīt even be arsed to turn up and the Board couldnīt be bothered to consult with the fans group over the motion then tried tobacktrack by missing out the "Torrent" part of comment,
Another attempt at deflection today :arrr:
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/statement-sunday-ian-livingston-responds/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

However you describe it, it is hardly an attempt at deflection. More a guy under siege trying to defend himself.
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bubba
23 Nov 2015, 03:56 PM


And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

'Remember the Celtic chairman called us all racists ? ' ,this will now pass into malcontent mythology even though it didn't happen.
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bubba
23 Nov 2015, 03:56 PM
So this torrent of abuse comprised two comments of a racist nature and then some others, based on other questionable character traits?

And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

Even if livingstone stays, bankier has to go
He said something like " I thought you might be interested in one or two of the racist ones." That suggests there were more than two, and he was providing a couple of examples. Also people seem to be glossing over the non-racist abuse. Many may feel he deserves to be called a c**t or a bastard, but it is still abuse, and if there was a lot of it you can understand the word "torrent" being used.
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The word 'campaign' is probably more important than torrent.

He implied that Celtic supporters had organised and agitated based on the guy's race.

That's clearly untrue. Bankier should go now. He should have been gone after saying the Celtic fans in Udine weren't 'real supporters'. That was also a horribly offensive comment.

He should maybe stick to whisky and securing whisky company sponsorship for his daughter. Badminton might be more his sport.
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kellybhoy
23 Nov 2015, 04:43 PM
bubba
23 Nov 2015, 03:56 PM
So this torrent of abuse comprised two comments of a racist nature and then some others, based on other questionable character traits?

And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

Even if livingstone stays, bankier has to go
He said something like " I thought you might be interested in one or two of the racist ones." That suggests there were more than two, and he was providing a couple of examples. Also people seem to be glossing over the non-racist abuse. Many may feel he deserves to be called a c**t or a bastard, but it is still abuse, and if there was a lot of it you can understand the word "torrent" being used.
"This personal campaign against Lord Livingston is criminally racist"


Just one of the quotes from Bankier on Daily Record website.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-chairman-ian-bankier-denies-6869878

"The campaign is criminally racist". Not one Tweet. Or two Tweets. Or even several. The campaign against Livingston. So everybody who signed the petition did so because he is a Jew. Well, according to Bankier or the Records reporting of what he said.

So forgive me for being wary about the use of the word torrent as it seems Bankier likes throwing words about.
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nowonder
23 Nov 2015, 04:25 PM
bubba
23 Nov 2015, 03:56 PM


And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

'Remember the Celtic chairman called us all racists ? ' ,this will now pass into malcontent mythology even though it didn't happen.
I think you work at missing the point more than Nakamura practiced free kicks.
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23 Nov 2015, 05:15 PM
kellybhoy
23 Nov 2015, 04:43 PM
bubba
23 Nov 2015, 03:56 PM
So this torrent of abuse comprised two comments of a racist nature and then some others, based on other questionable character traits?

And for that bankier implies a large section of the support is racist?

Even if livingstone stays, bankier has to go
He said something like " I thought you might be interested in one or two of the racist ones." That suggests there were more than two, and he was providing a couple of examples. Also people seem to be glossing over the non-racist abuse. Many may feel he deserves to be called a c**t or a bastard, but it is still abuse, and if there was a lot of it you can understand the word "torrent" being used.
"This personal campaign against Lord Livingston is criminally racist"


Just one of the quotes from Bankier on Daily Record website.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-chairman-ian-bankier-denies-6869878

"The campaign is criminally racist". Not one Tweet. Or two Tweets. Or even several. The campaign against Livingston. So everybody who signed the petition did so because he is a Jew. Well, according to Bankier or the Records reporting of what he said.

So forgive me for being wary about the use of the word torrent as it seems Bankier likes throwing words about.
Wouldn't trust the DR and quotes (and I'm not suggesting you did or would), it'll be the DR trying to get a headline.

We are the squirrel leading up the rangers AGM on Friday.

I feel that some people may be a little sensitive to what has been said, particularly as it came from a Tory peer.
In my opinion it seems to have grown and shows no sign of abating, should he be sacked or should he release another statement apologising?
I don't know, all I now is I'm not a racist so those comments were not directed at me.

I am not a fan of the Tories but I don't have a problem with having one on our board, if he is the best man for the job.
What's the other option we have Real Celtic Minded people n the board, singing from the same hymn sheet as the fans?

Rangers fans wanted RRM people on their board, got their wish, that never worked out too well.
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Gothamcelt
23 Nov 2015, 05:33 PM
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23 Nov 2015, 05:15 PM
kellybhoy
23 Nov 2015, 04:43 PM

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"This personal campaign against Lord Livingston is criminally racist"


Just one of the quotes from Bankier on Daily Record website.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-chairman-ian-bankier-denies-6869878

"The campaign is criminally racist". Not one Tweet. Or two Tweets. Or even several. The campaign against Livingston. So everybody who signed the petition did so because he is a Jew. Well, according to Bankier or the Records reporting of what he said.

So forgive me for being wary about the use of the word torrent as it seems Bankier likes throwing words about.
Wouldn't trust the DR and quotes (and I'm not suggesting you did or would), it'll be the DR trying to get a headline.

We are the squirrel leading up the rangers AGM on Friday.

I feel that some people may be a little sensitive to what has been said, particularly as it came from a Tory peer.
In my opinion it seems to have grown and shows no sign of abating, should he be sacked or should he release another statement apologising?
I don't know, all I now is I'm not a racist so those comments were not directed at me.

I am not a fan of the Tories but I don't have a problem with having one on our board, if he is the best man for the job.
What's the other option we have Real Celtic Minded people n the board, singing from the same hymn sheet as the fans?

Rangers fans wanted RRM people on their board, got their wish, that never worked out too well.
Speaking as someone who was at the AGM and therefore not relying on media quotes, my recollection was that Bankier was commenting on specific tweets and not making a broad accusation about our support. I think he could have expressed himself better and there was no need for him to voice his disappointment when most people in the room opposed the reappointment of Livingston. But his shortcomings are not worthy of the overreaction to his comments. There are real issues facing our club and this is just a distraction.
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elparaiso
23 Nov 2015, 05:51 PM
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23 Nov 2015, 05:33 PM
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23 Nov 2015, 05:15 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-chairman-ian-bankier-denies-6869878

"The campaign is criminally racist". Not one Tweet. Or two Tweets. Or even several. The campaign against Livingston. So everybody who signed the petition did so because he is a Jew. Well, according to Bankier or the Records reporting of what he said.

So forgive me for being wary about the use of the word torrent as it seems Bankier likes throwing words about.
Wouldn't trust the DR and quotes (and I'm not suggesting you did or would), it'll be the DR trying to get a headline.

We are the squirrel leading up the rangers AGM on Friday.

I feel that some people may be a little sensitive to what has been said, particularly as it came from a Tory peer.
In my opinion it seems to have grown and shows no sign of abating, should he be sacked or should he release another statement apologising?
I don't know, all I now is I'm not a racist so those comments were not directed at me.

I am not a fan of the Tories but I don't have a problem with having one on our board, if he is the best man for the job.
What's the other option we have Real Celtic Minded people n the board, singing from the same hymn sheet as the fans?

Rangers fans wanted RRM people on their board, got their wish, that never worked out too well.
Speaking as someone who was at the AGM and therefore not relying on media quotes, my recollection was that Bankier was commenting on specific tweets and not making a broad accusation about our support. I think he could have expressed himself better and there was no need for him to voice his disappointment when most people in the room opposed the reappointment of Livingston. But his shortcomings are not worthy of the overreaction to his comments. There are real issues facing our club and this is just a distraction.


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This personal campaign against Lord Livingston is criminally racist.


Doesn't sound like a comment on specific tweets to me.

And it's not a distraction. One of the issues is the idiots on the board ignoring the farce on the pitch whilst patting PL on the back and handing over a ridiculous wedge for showing them a decent balance sheet. Bankier's incompetence at the AGM is reflective of the terrible way our club is being run (down).
Edited by paulfg42, 23 Nov 2015, 06:02 PM.
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23 Nov 2015, 05:56 PM
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23 Nov 2015, 05:33 PM
Speaking as someone who was at the AGM and therefore not relying on media quotes, my recollection was that Bankier was commenting on specific tweets and not making a broad accusation about our support. I think he could have expressed himself better and there was no need for him to voice his disappointment when most people in the room opposed the reappointment of Livingston. But his shortcomings are not worthy of the overreaction to his comments. There are real issues facing our club and this is just a distraction.


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This personal campaign against Lord Livingston is criminally racist.


Doesn't sound like a comment on specific tweets to me.

And it's not a distraction. One of the issues is the idiots on the board ignoring the farce on the pitch whilst patting PL on the back and handing over a ridiculous wedge for showing them a decent balance sheet. Bankier's incompetence at the AGM is reflective of the terrible way our club is being run (down).
My views are based on hearing his full input, in context. Not an interpretation of one alleged statement. As I said, I was not overly impressed with how he handled himself but I would not judge his competence on how well he performed at an AGM. By that measure Peter Lawwell us an excellent CEO. :thumbsup:
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Jeezo, wtf? this board deflection tactic is getting way to deep for me, nothing will change at our club untill DD is gone
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