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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,763 Views)
tumbal
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Aren't we stuck with this board/these policies as long as DDs block vote can flatten any resolutions to change things? He's not going to vote for the Living Wage or to get shot of board members that he perceives are doing a good job. The only way to make supporters voices genuinely heard is if DDs shareholding is reduced and spread within ordinary fans. Which is I think what the Celtic Trust are all about?
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fatboab
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Kingslim
23 Nov 2015, 12:20 PM
Wee Ed KTF
23 Nov 2015, 12:09 PM
CQN and E-Tims have both published the Livingston statement

Is it genuine?
Must be or they wouldn't have posted it I suspect.

Even if you do get a couple of idiots on twitter. How can they determine if they're genuine and not for talking sake huns at the wind up?
jeezo, whataboutery of the very worst kind. Can you not simply accept that in amongst our support , there are genuine arseholes who hide behind their computers to abuse people.
The fact he named the guy suggests this is being taken all the way. I hope it is.
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Wee Ed KTF
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Re: Livingston Statement online

From Daily Record - "Celtic Football Club confirmed to Record Sport Online this morning that Livingston posted the response."

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What a scumbag that Michael Higgins character is. Charges should be levelled and the arsehole banned from CP for ever and a day.
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I think it's clear that Livingston received racial abuse and the perpetrators should be permanently banned from the club and referred to the police.

It's also clear that Bankier should not have used the term 'torrent of abuse', he didn't check his facts and has understandably upset people. If theres enough shareholders and customers(fans) feeling upset about this cock up then he should go and its his own fault, he's a big boy he'll get over it.

As for Livingston he has explained his position and whilst many, myself included, still disagree with his decision not to vote against the tax credit cuts I personally believe that for now he should stay on. We could end up setting a precedent whereby anybody on the celtic board who takes a political position that some fans disagree with then could be subject to a successful campaign to be ousted, that would be detrimental to the club and could in fact lead to a position that would be as contrary to the inclusive values of the club as what is being suggested in relation to Livingston' politics.
Edited by MBhoy1888, 23 Nov 2015, 02:36 PM.
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-director-ian-livingston-reveals-6883789

CELTIC director Ian Livingston has laid bare the anti-semitic abuse he received online after backing Conservative tax cuts.

The Tory peer, who carries the title 'Lord Livingston of Parkhead', has been in the line of fire since voting in favour of the Government's tax credit cuts, that will see over three million working families lose £1300 a year.

Celtic fans had called for the 51-year-old to resign, with around 10,000 signing an online petition calling for his removal.


However, a further wedge was driven between the club's fanbase and the board, after chairman Ian Bankier took to the stage at the club’s AGM on Friday and described the campaign against Livingston as “criminally racist”.



hat led to the three main Celtic’s supporters groups calling for Bankier to resign but Livingston has now had say on the website forum of The Affiliation of Registered Celtic Supporters’ Clubs.

Posting in the comments section, he outlined the abuse he has received and also broke his silence on the tax cuts vote, claiming that he was actually AGAINST the Tory measures.

He wrote: “I hope you don’t mind me posting this. As the person about whom a number of abusive comments were made, I thought you may be interested in a couple of the racist ones so you can perhaps see why the Chairman was upset about them

Michael Higgins: Get this Ashkenazi c*** out of OUR club and take that other fake jew p***k Biton (sic) with him. This is typical of their sort, infiltrating and destroying every country and establisment (sic) from within”.

“Or someone under the name Ross Grant saying “He’s a Jew what do you expect”.

"Many others were simply abusive. Not I assume anything to do with my religion rather because I had a different political view.

“Actually I wasn’t in agreement with the nature of the tax credit cuts but believed that this motion was not something the unelected House of Lords should do, so voted against it.



No doubt some will disagree but you might consider the nature of expressing your view and whether abuse is also in line with your view of Celtic’s ethos.

“I have always believed Celtic fans are the best in the world and a few racist postings of social media will not change that as I know the overwhelming of fans whichever party the vote for would codemn (sic) them equally.”

Celtic Football Club confirmed to Record Sport Online this morning that Livingston posted the response.

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fatboab
23 Nov 2015, 01:23 PM
Kingslim
23 Nov 2015, 12:20 PM
Wee Ed KTF
23 Nov 2015, 12:09 PM
CQN and E-Tims have both published the Livingston statement

Is it genuine?
Must be or they wouldn't have posted it I suspect.

Even if you do get a couple of idiots on twitter. How can they determine if they're genuine and not for talking sake huns at the wind up?
jeezo, whataboutery of the very worst kind. Can you not simply accept that in amongst our support , there are genuine arseholes who hide behind their computers to abuse people.
The fact he named the guy suggests this is being taken all the way. I hope it is.
Of course there are but anyone has access to twitter.

I'm not saying they weren't Celtic fans but they could be Celtic fans from Nova Scotia who aren't shareholders, don't go to games or buy club merchandise. That being my point it's not the done thing to raise at an AGM as a stick to beat the wider support with.

If this abuse had come from someone they could have identified as a season ticket holder then fair enough - not John Doe from twitter.
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Shocking comments

So does that now mean they will report on sectarian & racism from zombies on twitter too?

Nah didn't think so
Edited by tonyjaa-csc, 23 Nov 2015, 02:21 PM.
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Torbjorn
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So can we get rid of the two racist fans and the bastards on the board then?
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Ned Rise
23 Nov 2015, 12:30 PM
Despicable comments aimed at Livingston, can't be any debate about that.

Bankier's statement out of order regardless, as it suggested a 'torrent of abuse' and generally painted the Celtic support as racist.

If those comments are criminally racist they should be dealt with in the appropriate way, just as any other actions or lawbreaking by individuals are. Tarring the support with such a broad brush was a ridiculous thing to do.
This, I dont have a problem with the comments coming under scrutiny, but the individuals who made the comments could be dealt with by the police. The way Bankier labeled the supports as racist was ridiculous. I'm actually still astounded that he thought it was ok to do such a thing.

They need ousted pronto
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23 Nov 2015, 02:19 PM
fatboab
23 Nov 2015, 01:23 PM
Kingslim
23 Nov 2015, 12:20 PM

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jeezo, whataboutery of the very worst kind. Can you not simply accept that in amongst our support , there are genuine arseholes who hide behind their computers to abuse people.
The fact he named the guy suggests this is being taken all the way. I hope it is.
Of course there are but anyone has access to twitter.

I'm not saying they weren't Celtic fans but they could be Celtic fans from Nova Scotia who aren't shareholders, don't go to games or buy club merchandise. That being my point it's not the done thing to raise at an AGM as a stick to beat the wider support with.

If this abuse had come from someone they could have identified as a season ticket holder then fair enough - not John Doe from twitter.
are you being serious?

It doesn't really matter how much of an ubertim you deem the guy to be. He deserves everything he gets for that "torrent" of abuse. The very fact that Livingstone is prepared to go public with that is to his credit, and there should be no whataboutery involved.
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Despicable comments aimed at Livingston from wee ned floofs who seriously need to grow up.

His comments about disagreeing with the tax credit cuts are taking the piss. Didn't agree with them but voted for them anyway. Clown.

This whole issue has seriously taken the heat off that chancing bassa who the real focus should be on. He owes Bankier.
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But rich from Lord Livingston when we employ a racist with his blessing isn't it?

Some Tory bastard plays the racism card to defend his decision to condemn millions to further poverty and hardship and to go AGAINST our club ethos and refuse the living wage wonders why he received a few lines of Twitter abuse from the criminally racist Campaigners out there.

Well played lads , your public relations stunt backfired and the subsequent PR management after the horse has bolted just fans the flames even further of the peasant revolt at Parkhead.

Shower of Tory bastards.






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McStay
23 Nov 2015, 02:54 PM
Despicable comments aimed at Livingston from wee ned floofs who seriously need to grow up.

His comments about disagreeing with the tax credit cuts are taking the piss. Didn't agree with them but voted for them anyway. Clown.

This whole issue has seriously taken the heat off that chancing bassa who the real focus should be on. He owes Bankier.
All the Lords that voted for the cuts have the nice excuse of not voting against government financial matters, even though said government in the elections specifically stated tax credits wouldn't be cut.

It also takes the heat off the rest of the board and failures on the pitch which will be swept under the carpet till next year and the next squirrel they can find.
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so that was the torrent of criminal racism? :ffs: :lol:

'lord livivingstone of parkhead' please gtf.
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The point about questionable Twitter accounts is spot on. I was thinking the same thing yesterday--not denying for one second that these Tweets (God, I hate that word) could have come from our own support; but it just seems like basic common sense to have the polis look into them before shooting from the hip. At this point, having The Laird o' the Coo'caddens hand them over to the press looks amateurish in the extreme. It's almost as if someone was desperately scrambling to cover their embarrassment.

Nice work, Arsene, as always. The devil is in them, apparently!
[EDIT: The details, in case I was being a bit obtuse there.]
Edited by QualityStreet1970, 23 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM.
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Before anyone starts having at go about the politics of the board member, can we all agree that anti-semitism has no place whatsoever among supporters of Celtic and anyone participating in it should be told not to to come back to Celtic Park, ever?
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EddieMaguire
23 Nov 2015, 03:31 PM
Before anyone starts having at go about the politics of the board member, can we all agree that anti-semitism has no place whatsoever among supporters of Celtic and anyone participating in it should be told not to to come back to Celtic Park, ever?
Shouldn't even need to be said, really.
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If Livingstone think the lords shouldn't be interfering with government decisions, why did he accept a lordship? Piece of nonsense. As for Bankier - he needs to go.
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So we're talking a few comments? A few comments are obviously a few too many but enough for what Bankier said? He was either imprecise in his statement deliberately or he's an idiot that didn't know how his words would be reported. No matter which one, he needs to go.

As for Livingston, I'm sorry he's had this abuse but it doesn't alter my feelings of the man and why he is unsuitable to sit on the board at Celtic. He's also a bullshampooter.
Edited by Neil Jung, 23 Nov 2015, 03:47 PM.
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