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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,764 Views)
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22 Nov 2015, 10:11 PM
Brian Quinn - he of the IMF and Bank of England - being held up as some kind of champion for Celtic FC principles because he has a bucket. Christ of night.
From a merchant banker to a Bankier, sad times. :arrr:
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22 Nov 2015, 10:13 PM

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As long as they keep their traps shut?

What about the SNP or Labour supporters who turn up at Celtic park? They allowed to engage in dialogue?
Can't have Brian Wilson on the board he supported British imperialism in direct contravention of Brother Walfrid who would be turning in his grave,can't have any SNP people because they implemented the offences at football Bill,Brother Walfrid would be spinning,can't have Tories who are the cause of poverty..Walfrid somersaulting.Certainly not Fianna Fail people (aye that's you Dermot) because they have caused generations of emigration among Ireland's poorest..Brother Walfrid would be appalled....What political position would be acceptable to the Celtic Trust and the GB...maybe Tommy Sheridan's crowd ?.Aye what we need on the board are supporters of a swinger and someone who is both a Celtic fan and a Rangers fan,..it's what Brother Walfrid would have wanted.
I thought you posted some amount of stupidity on the politics thread but you've outdone yourself with this last couple.
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22 Nov 2015, 10:11 PM
Brian Quinn - he of the IMF and Bank of England - being held up as some kind of champion for Celtic FC principles because he has a bucket. Christ of night.
Who better to look after your money than a bank manager .
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murphio
22 Nov 2015, 10:11 PM
Brian Quinn - he of the IMF and Bank of England - being held up as some kind of champion for Celtic FC principles because he has a bucket. Christ of night.
Who better to look after your money than a bank manager .
My missus :twitch: :twitch:
Probably!

In the late 60s, Brian Quinn was writing about how well Sierra Leone was doing and this was after military coups overthrew democracy. The pro-market, anti-democratic politics of our government and board sit nicely together.
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Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?

Before I go further I'm not wanting to go into the following

!) PL's salary - I think everyone on this board other than Kingbhoyd accepts it is excessive.
2)The transfer strategy - I think its flawed but that not what this post is about
3) Directors who are out of their depth - and I would suggest that is exactly what Bankier is, given his performance on Friday
4) And having a director that is also a government minister - given the controversial nature of govts, its an accident waiting to happen when the business is relying on supporters who are ordinary members of the public - The irony of the Food collection at the weekend aimed at the very people who would be worse off if the tax credit cuts had gone through is an obvious example. There will be plenty more such controversies in the coming years and Livingstone will be forced to choose at some point between being a Celtic director and his position in the govt. Lay odds he will choose the latter.

The reason I'm asking the original question is the dismissive response by Murphio concerning Brian Quinn. I actually thought Quinn was a good chairman. He would have avoided what happened on Friday, he always came across well in the media and his handling of the Dida incident IMHO contributed to a far smaller punishment than many of us feared in the minutes after the game. I am sure that my politics are very different from his but I'd far rather have him on the board than say a left winger such as Brian Dempsey.

I remember back in the late 80s and early 90s, one of the major criticisms of the old board was its lack of business acumen. A ground that wasn't fit for purpose, no shirt sponsor, poor kit deals, and a club shop hidden behind Queen St station.

If you have a boardroom that full of folk with a background in business, then there's a strong likelihood that they will be - economically at least - right of centre. Having a board member who has a background in telecommunications is probably a good thing for a football club (when he becomes a govt minister that is another matter - see above) and I am told that Livingstone warned against the Setanta deal - its not celtic's fault that most other SPL clubs chose to ignore him.

With regards to merchandising we have appointed folk on the board in the not too recent past with a background in clothes retailing. Again that makes sense.

Where I think we lack, is directors who understand football. However do folk think that someone's politics should be a factor on whether they are a Celtic director ?






Edited by Corky Buczek, 23 Nov 2015, 02:17 AM.
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22 Nov 2015, 10:11 PM
Brian Quinn - he of the IMF and Bank of England - being held up as some kind of champion for Celtic FC principles because he has a bucket. Christ of night.
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Corky Buczek
23 Nov 2015, 02:04 AM
Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?

Before I go further I'm not wanting to go into the following

!) PL's salary - I think everyone on this board other than Kingbhoyd accepts it is excessive.
2)The transfer strategy - I think its flawed but that not what this post is about
3) Directors who are out of their depth - and I would suggest that is exactly what Bankier is, given his performance on Friday
4) And having a director that is also a government minister - given the controversial nature of govts, its an accident waiting to happen when the business is relying on supporters who are ordinary members of the public - The irony of the Food collection at the weekend aimed at the very people who would be worse off if the tax credit cuts had gone through is an obvious example. There will be plenty more such controversies in the coming years and Livingstone will be forced to choose at some point between being a Celtic director and his position in the govt. Lay odds he will choose the latter.

The reason I'm asking the original question is the dismissive respond by Murphio concerning Brian Quinn. I actually thought Quinn was a good chairman. He would have avoided what happened on Friday, he always came across well in the media and his handling of the Dida incident IMHO contributed to a far smaller punishment than many of us feared in the minutes after the game. I am sure that my politics are very different from his but I'd far rather have him on the board than say a left winger such as Brian Dempsey.

I remember back in the late 80s and early 90s, one of the major criticisms of the old board was its lack of business acumen. A ground that wasn't fit for purpose, no shirt sponsor, poor kit deals, and a club shop hidden behind Queen St station.

If you have a boardroom that full of folk with a background in business, then there's a strong likelihood that they will be - economically at least - right of centre. Having a board member who has a background in telecommunications is probably a good thing for a football club (when he becomes a govt minister that is another matter - see above) and I am told that Livingstone warned against the Setanta deal - its not celtic's fault that most other SPL clubs chose to ignore him.

With regards to merchandising we have appointed folk on the board in the not too recent past with a background in clothes retailing. Again that makes sense.

Where I think we lack, is directors who understand football. However do folk honestly think that someone's politics should be a factor on whether they are a Celtic director ?






it's difficult enough to accept a tory being on the board but a different thing entirely when he publicly casts a vote that shafts under-privilleged people.

i'd no idea brian quinn was a tory because he never made his views public.
that doesn't excuse him but at least he had the decency to keep his opinions to himself and consider the views of the support.

which answers your question. yes someone's political views should be a factor to whether they should be on the celtic board. in an ideal world.....
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23 Nov 2015, 02:16 AM
Corky Buczek
23 Nov 2015, 02:04 AM
Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?

Before I go further I'm not wanting to go into the following

!) PL's salary - I think everyone on this board other than Kingbhoyd accepts it is excessive.
2)The transfer strategy - I think its flawed but that not what this post is about
3) Directors who are out of their depth - and I would suggest that is exactly what Bankier is, given his performance on Friday
4) And having a director that is also a government minister - given the controversial nature of govts, its an accident waiting to happen when the business is relying on supporters who are ordinary members of the public - The irony of the Food collection at the weekend aimed at the very people who would be worse off if the tax credit cuts had gone through is an obvious example. There will be plenty more such controversies in the coming years and Livingstone will be forced to choose at some point between being a Celtic director and his position in the govt. Lay odds he will choose the latter.

The reason I'm asking the original question is the dismissive respond by Murphio concerning Brian Quinn. I actually thought Quinn was a good chairman. He would have avoided what happened on Friday, he always came across well in the media and his handling of the Dida incident IMHO contributed to a far smaller punishment than many of us feared in the minutes after the game. I am sure that my politics are very different from his but I'd far rather have him on the board than say a left winger such as Brian Dempsey.

I remember back in the late 80s and early 90s, one of the major criticisms of the old board was its lack of business acumen. A ground that wasn't fit for purpose, no shirt sponsor, poor kit deals, and a club shop hidden behind Queen St station.

If you have a boardroom that full of folk with a background in business, then there's a strong likelihood that they will be - economically at least - right of centre. Having a board member who has a background in telecommunications is probably a good thing for a football club (when he becomes a govt minister that is another matter - see above) and I am told that Livingstone warned against the Setanta deal - its not celtic's fault that most other SPL clubs chose to ignore him.

With regards to merchandising we have appointed folk on the board in the not too recent past with a background in clothes retailing. Again that makes sense.

Where I think we lack, is directors who understand football. However do folk honestly think that someone's politics should be a factor on whether they are a Celtic director ?






it's difficult enough to accept a tory being on the board but a different thing entirely when he publicly casts a vote that shafts under-privilleged people.

i'd no idea brian quinn was a tory because he never made his views public.
that doesn't excuse him but at least he had the decency to keep his opinions to himself and consider the views of the support.

which answers your question. yes someone's political views should be a factor to whether they should be on the celtic board. in an ideal world.....
I said that being a Celtic director and a member of the govt (irrespective of persuasion) is IMHO incompatible.

I am guessing that with the exception of Brian Wilson, all of the board did or would have voted Tory last May. Dermot Desmond gave the Conservatives a £50K donation a few years back. Voting Conservative should not exclude you from being a Celtic director, although having a board that would appear to be almost completely Conservative is where I think we could be heading for trouble.

Personally I think a board should have a mix of views. One of my biggest worries just now, is the total disconnect between the board and the support. This is reflected in the Living Wage farce over the past few years, PL's salary and the failure on Friday to at least listen to the genuine concerns supporters have about Lord Livingstone.

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23 Nov 2015, 02:16 AM
Corky Buczek
23 Nov 2015, 02:04 AM
Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?

Before I go further I'm not wanting to go into the following

!) PL's salary - I think everyone on this board other than Kingbhoyd accepts it is excessive.
2)The transfer strategy - I think its flawed but that not what this post is about
3) Directors who are out of their depth - and I would suggest that is exactly what Bankier is, given his performance on Friday
4) And having a director that is also a government minister - given the controversial nature of govts, its an accident waiting to happen when the business is relying on supporters who are ordinary members of the public - The irony of the Food collection at the weekend aimed at the very people who would be worse off if the tax credit cuts had gone through is an obvious example. There will be plenty more such controversies in the coming years and Livingstone will be forced to choose at some point between being a Celtic director and his position in the govt. Lay odds he will choose the latter.

The reason I'm asking the original question is the dismissive respond by Murphio concerning Brian Quinn. I actually thought Quinn was a good chairman. He would have avoided what happened on Friday, he always came across well in the media and his handling of the Dida incident IMHO contributed to a far smaller punishment than many of us feared in the minutes after the game. I am sure that my politics are very different from his but I'd far rather have him on the board than say a left winger such as Brian Dempsey.

I remember back in the late 80s and early 90s, one of the major criticisms of the old board was its lack of business acumen. A ground that wasn't fit for purpose, no shirt sponsor, poor kit deals, and a club shop hidden behind Queen St station.

If you have a boardroom that full of folk with a background in business, then there's a strong likelihood that they will be - economically at least - right of centre. Having a board member who has a background in telecommunications is probably a good thing for a football club (when he becomes a govt minister that is another matter - see above) and I am told that Livingstone warned against the Setanta deal - its not celtic's fault that most other SPL clubs chose to ignore him.

With regards to merchandising we have appointed folk on the board in the not too recent past with a background in clothes retailing. Again that makes sense.

Where I think we lack, is directors who understand football. However do folk honestly think that someone's politics should be a factor on whether they are a Celtic director ?






it's difficult enough to accept a tory being on the board but a different thing entirely when he publicly casts a vote that shafts under-privilleged people.

i'd no idea brian quinn was a tory because he never made his views public.
that doesn't excuse him but at least he had the decency to keep his opinions to himself and consider the views of the support.

which answers your question. yes someone's political views should be a factor to whether they should be on the celtic board. in an ideal world.....
I said that being a Celtic director and a member of the govt (irrespective of persuasion) is IMHO incompatible.

I am guessing that with the exception of Brian Wilson, all of the board did or would have voted Tory last May. Dermot Desmond gave the Conservatives a £50K donation a few years back. Voting Conservative should not exclude you from being a Celtic director, although having a board that would appear to be almost completely Conservative is where I think we could be heading for trouble.

Personally I think a board should have a mix of views. One of my biggest worries just now, is the total disconnect between the board and the support. This is reflected in the Living Wage farce over the past few years, PL's salary and the failure on Friday to at least listen to the genuine concerns supporters have about Lord Livingstone.

i wouldn't try to argue with any of that even if i wanted to.
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This from the DR has Keith Jackson name in bold print but under it it says opinion from Paul Black, so who knows who wrote this.

Keith Jackson: Celtic chairman Ian Bankier came out fighting but Peter Lawwell's just backed himself into the corner over Ronny Deila

OPINION BY PAULBLACK

AS the fallout from the Parkhead club's AGM continues our man looks at where the club's chief executive stands after giving the manager his complete backing.

IT’S not like Peter Lawwell to box himself into a corner far less leave his own chin dangerously exposed.

Normally Celtic’s sure footed chief executive is a master of his craft around the ring of the boardroom. A big hitter. A shrewd strategist. A genuine heavyweight.

So it’s hard to fathom what exactly was going on inside the mind of the man who runs Scotland’s champions when he fronted up the club’s AGM on Friday. This yearly showdown with the shareholders has become an annual irritation to Lawwell who appears to posses a deep, personal aversion to having his decisions and policies held up to any kind of public scrutiny.

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This from the DR has Keith Jackson name in bold print but under it it says opinion from Paul Black, so who knows who wrote this.

Keith Jackson: Celtic chairman Ian Bankier came out fighting but Peter Lawwell's just backed himself into the corner over Ronny Deila

OPINION BY PAULBLACK

AS the fallout from the Parkhead club's AGM continues our man looks at where the club's chief executive stands after giving the manager his complete backing.

IT’S not like Peter Lawwell to box himself into a corner far less leave his own chin dangerously exposed.

Normally Celtic’s sure footed chief executive is a master of his craft around the ring of the boardroom. A big hitter. A shrewd strategist. A genuine heavyweight.

So it’s hard to fathom what exactly was going on inside the mind of the man who runs Scotland’s champions when he fronted up the club’s AGM on Friday. This yearly showdown with the shareholders has become an annual irritation to Lawwell who appears to posses a deep, personal aversion to having his decisions and policies held up to any kind of public scrutiny.

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:ph43r: wow I am Keith Jackson
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Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?
Ideally by people voted for by the fans, a president system like Spain or Argentina.

Fan ownership/members system and vote on who runs the club. :thumbsup:


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Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?
Ideally by people voted for by the fans, a president system like Spain or Argentina.

Fan ownership/members system and vote on who runs the club. :thumbsup:


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People often cite the Spanish system, where fans vote for a president, as one worth following. But many Spanish clubs are absolute basket cases. Barcelona's tax dealings make the old Rangers seem positively altruistic. While Real Madrid are about to sack yet another manager in knee-jerk fashion. I'm not convinced fan ownership would end daft decisions being made. In fact, it might make things even worse.
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Just sent Brian Wilson a tweet asking for his views on the living wage and removal of tax credits from impoverished families.

Doubt he will answer. Too busy working on promoting his Shawbost mills new tweed design for the SFA and jaunts to Cuba. Doubt there is much call for tweed in the Caribbean.
Edited by Hoops For Me All The Way, 23 Nov 2015, 11:58 AM.
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Corky Buczek
23 Nov 2015, 02:04 AM
Genuine Question - how should the Celtic board be made up ?
Ideally by people voted for by the fans, a president system like Spain or Argentina.

Fan ownership/members system and vote on who runs the club. :thumbsup:


IhaveADreamCSC
People often cite the Spanish system, where fans vote for a president, as one worth following. But many Spanish clubs are absolute basket cases. Barcelona's tax dealings make the old Rangers seem positively altruistic. While Real Madrid are about to sack yet another manager in knee-jerk fashion. I'm not convinced fan ownership would end daft decisions being made. In fact, it might make things even worse.
Need something better to make the Board more answerable to fans as well as shareholders -our major shareholder couldn´t even be arsed to turn up and the Board couldn´t be bothered to consult with the fans group over the motion then tried tobacktrack by missing out the "Torrent" part of comment,
Another attempt at deflection today :arrr:
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/statement-sunday-ian-livingston-responds/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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CQN and E-Tims have both published the Livingston statement

Is it genuine?
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CQN and E-Tims have both published the Livingston statement

Is it genuine?
Must be or they wouldn't have posted it I suspect.

Even if you do get a couple of idiots on twitter. How can they determine if they're genuine and not for talking sake huns at the wind up? To then use this as a stick to beat shareholders and ultimately the wider Celtic support with is not what you would expect from a club chairman and that's putting it mildly.
Edited by Kingslim, 23 Nov 2015, 12:21 PM.
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Despicable comments aimed at Livingston, can't be any debate about that.

Bankier's statement out of order regardless, as it suggested a 'torrent of abuse' and generally painted the Celtic support as racist.

If those comments are criminally racist they should be dealt with in the appropriate way, just as any other actions or lawbreaking by individuals are. Tarring the support with such a broad brush was a ridiculous thing to do.
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CQN and E-Tims have both published the Livingston statement

Is it genuine?
Must be or they wouldn't have posted it I suspect.

Even if you do get a couple of idiots on twitter. How can they determine if they're genuine and not for talking sake huns at the wind up? To then use this as a stick to beat shareholders and ultimately the wider Celtic support with is not what you would expect from a club chairman and that's putting it mildly.
CQN said the 'Livingston statement' had been posted on the Affiliation's website

E-Tims said of the 'Livingston statement' - "This was among the replies to Friday’s diary. I’ve emailed the address it was sent from, but it doesn’t exist. Perhaps, in case of further abuse it was deleted."

Livingston did not use the Club's website for his statement ? :ponder:

Maybe I'm just a suspicious old git



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Livingston's quotes are actually fairly balanced and sensible, especially when compared to the official statements the board has submitted these past few days.
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