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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,772 Views)
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So no questions about where we are headed football wise? Buying players before vital qualifiers? Scouting networks? Ways to be more imaginative in raising funds/finding players? Etc etcs.

Football? Mind that?

A AGM that should have calls for lawwell to get to eff ended up with calls for a faceless stooge chairman to go and hardly a mention of the conniving lawwell's failure at football development :ffs:


Total deflection by slandering the fans as self protection for the members of the board, wouldnt be surprised if last nights statement wasnt already pre planned before the AGM. Get out of the tricky living wage question then issue statement trying to clear up racist slur later.


Since the AGM theres been a few more 'last season ticket I buy' or 'they are not getting another penny from me' posts, thats now a fair sized movement along side folk who have just move on scunnered and bored of things. But still theres enough season tickets sold for it not to be an issue, there wont be a drop in season tickets significant enough for there to be change either.

This thread was hardly moving last week until the AGM, no discussion about AGM before it or ways to be heard at AGM, I know the AGM is designed to avoid valid questions and concerns being raised but was surprised there wasnt any discussion about it last week. Its likely the discussion and outrange from the AGM will fade away the next few days, then there could be another outburst after Thursday's game then fade away to no discussion and so on and so on. Just keeps going round in that cycle.

Folk here and there stopping buying things, fans banners, freekin pointless petitions and this thread getting bursts of outrage wont change anything.

There needs to be a proper organization to buy desmond out, thats the only chance of change.
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Are the club paying the living wage yet? Haven't heard anything for a while.
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As I understand it they are paying the "living wage rate" to permanent employees. They just refuse to sign up to promise that they'll pay the living wage. The party line is that'll happen once the government makes it mandatory. I think...
Another nail in the coffin of "a club like no other".
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A complacent board who are out of touch with how fans feel. Not the kind of/ people I want to represent me.
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21 Nov 2015, 08:59 AM
Are the club paying the living wage yet? Haven't heard anything for a while.
Celtic AGM: Living wage ‘not in interests of club’

CRAIG FOWLER

Celtic have defended their stance of not paying employees the living wage of £8.25 an hour at the club’s annual general meeting.

Chairman Ian Bankier said it was “not in the interests” of Celtic to follow in the footsteps of around 380 Scottish employers – including fellow Ladbrokes Premiership club Heart of Midlothian – in signing up for the scheme.

Celtic employees are paid £7.85 per hour, which was the previous living wage. However, the rate, adjusted by the Living Wage Foundation, was raised by 40p earlier this month.

Many shareholders have called for the club to change their stance.

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I believe that companies who are part of the Living Wage Foundation get 6 months to adjust their rate following the announcement of a raise in the rate. I understand that Celtic are "considering their position".
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They make it easy to lose interest. That's something I never thought I'd say but the quality off the park matches the quality on it.
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21 Nov 2015, 09:38 AM
BhoyRacer
21 Nov 2015, 08:59 AM
Are the club paying the living wage yet? Haven't heard anything for a while.
Celtic AGM: Living wage ‘not in interests of club’

CRAIG FOWLER

Celtic have defended their stance of not paying employees the living wage of £8.25 an hour at the club’s annual general meeting.

Chairman Ian Bankier said it was “not in the interests” of Celtic to follow in the footsteps of around 380 Scottish employers – including fellow Ladbrokes Premiership club Heart of Midlothian – in signing up for the scheme.

Celtic employees are paid £7.85 per hour, which was the previous living wage. However, the rate, adjusted by the Living Wage Foundation, was raised by 40p earlier this month.

Many shareholders have called for the club to change their stance.

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“We launched an initiative called Celtic Pride about employee recognition and making people feel valued"

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Oh FFS just when I think I couldn't dislike the suits full of eff all that run the club now - I then discover they have one of these pointless, winky HR initiatives that serve no purpose other than to allow exceptionally well paid arseholes claim that employee happiness is something they care about but they are unfortunately unable to pony up with more money for them. Greedy, self-interested bastards.

Corporate Non-entities.
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DR gutted that the AGM wasn't all about EBT's.

Celtic AGM ended up being about three letters.. but not EBTs as everyone expected

BY MICHAEL GANNON
PIES were the order of the day at Celtic's AGM as EBTs were ignored in a surprise twist to the day.

IT was the elephant in the room. The 10,000lb gorilla grinning in the corner. It’s impossible to ignore the big questions at a football club’s AGM.

The Celtic board were going to have to address the issue - whether they liked it or not.

Just what is going on with the Parkhead pie stalls?

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21 Nov 2015, 01:13 AM
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21 Nov 2015, 01:02 AM
Hypothetically speaking, what would have happened in our battle with the old board and Celts for Change, and individual fan action. We know the answer to that.
Realistically speaking the two situations are nothing to do with one another and conflating the two is strawman arguing to the point of ridiculousness and beyond


You are entitled to your opinion, Lubo.

I have no desire or intention to enter into an argument with you. :thumbsup:
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21 Nov 2015, 09:28 AM
A complacent board who are out of touch with how fans feel. Not the kind of/ people I want to represent me.
The board of most clubs are out of touch with their core fan base which is why a fans representative on the board would be a good idea.
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One of Lawwell's remarks from the AGM video put up on our website:

"We've felt the downsize with them, felt the pain with them"

If only we could all downsize with a million quid salary. The man truly has no shame.
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Mubo Loravcik
21 Nov 2015, 11:27 AM
One of Lawwell's remarks from the AGM video put up on our website:

"We've felt the downsize with them, felt the pain with them"

If only we could all downsize with a million quid salary. The man truly has no shame.
I've gone from a deep distrust of that man to a feeling of utter loathing for him.
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The people being in charge of the club being less than egalitarian is nothing new. The Whytes and the Kellys were hardly the epitome of the champions of the people and to top it off they also ripped money out the club. My great aunt worked in the 'players tearoom' during the 70s and into the 80s and was paid an absolute pittance, she was always immensely chuffed that lady Kelly would gift each of the ladies a bottle of perfume at Christmas.

People may feel more scunnered because we expect better in this day and age or because there is more transparency about it all due to the plc but it's really nothing new. The thing we should be more focused on imo is the direction the club is taking in regards to our standards and expectations, unless the board and ceo have got a better plan than 'manage our decline' then we need to start looking for someone who does.
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Mubo Loravcik
21 Nov 2015, 11:27 AM
One of Lawwell's remarks from the AGM video put up on our website:

"We've felt the downsize with them, felt the pain with them"

If only we could all downsize with a million quid salary. The man truly has no shame.
Who does "them" refer to? :suspect:
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21 Nov 2015, 12:24 PM
Mubo Loravcik
21 Nov 2015, 11:27 AM
One of Lawwell's remarks from the AGM video put up on our website:

"We've felt the downsize with them, felt the pain with them"

If only we could all downsize with a million quid salary. The man truly has no shame.
Who does "them" refer to? :suspect:
OBSESSED!!
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21 Nov 2015, 07:59 AM
Crap like this doesn't even enrage me the way it used to. This Celtic board have sucked the life out the club to the point there is absolutely nothing indistinguishable between us and any other club on the planet. 'A Club Like No Other'? I'd love to see what they believe sets us apart, as a club, from anyone else.

I can handle the fact that as I've got older, and football has got more and more corrupt, catered to a different audience and filled with players making a disgusting amount of money, my love and enjoyment has waned considerably. When Celtic just become a diet version of this I find it hard to get angry the way I used to.

We are a club going absolutely nowhere
Putting aside Bankier's comments and Livingstone for a moment, I really have no idea what you're hoping for exactly.

What makes Celtic stand out? Well for a start we're one of the biggest football clubs on the earth. We are basically turning a profit most years, with zero bank debt in the monetary wilderness that is Scottish football.

How exactly are Celtic a diet version of corruption and greed?

We're a club going nowhere? Where is it you think we should be going based on the limitations of our environment?
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While Aston Villa and Everton's wage bills may have trebled, this doesn't really explain why Celtic now routinely struggle to compete with teams like Legia Warsaw, Malmo, Maribor and got our arse handed to us twice by a Molde team with a 40 year old in the middle of the park.

The furore over Bankier's deflection comments seem to have allowed them to avoid discussion about the underperformance on the field. I'm not kidded on by them. They are an utter disgrace.
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21 Nov 2015, 12:35 PM
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21 Nov 2015, 07:59 AM
Crap like this doesn't even enrage me the way it used to. This Celtic board have sucked the life out the club to the point there is absolutely nothing indistinguishable between us and any other club on the planet. 'A Club Like No Other'? I'd love to see what they believe sets us apart, as a club, from anyone else.

I can handle the fact that as I've got older, and football has got more and more corrupt, catered to a different audience and filled with players making a disgusting amount of money, my love and enjoyment has waned considerably. When Celtic just become a diet version of this I find it hard to get angry the way I used to.

We are a club going absolutely nowhere
Putting aside Bankier's comments and Livingstone for a moment, I really have no idea what you're hoping for exactly.

What makes Celtic stand out? Well for a start we're one of the biggest football clubs on the earth. We are basically turning a profit most years, with zero bank debt in the monetary wilderness that is Scottish football.

How exactly are Celtic a diet version of corruption and greed?

We're a club going nowhere? Where is it you think we should be going based on the limitations of our environment?
I agree with this view for the most part, although I do feel that for nearly a million a year given the size of the company PL should basically be pulling rabbits out a effing hat which he isn't, for the most part what we do at board level atm is competent nothing more and sometimes a little less than. This lot at this stage have basically hitched their wagon to Ronny they've said we can't buy success, true, so we must develop and he's the man to do it if things don't improve in Europe or he fails to deliver more than the league at home then it's going to very hard to defend that as being the best way for the club. Ideally we'd be seeing more imaginative strategies in place to grow the club, I'm not immediately clear what those might be but I'm not being paid to think about it. :lol:
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20 Nov 2015, 09:36 PM
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20 Nov 2015, 09:30 PM
Bankier :ffs:

The first requirement of a PLC chair is to be a safe pair of hands.
This.

I'm surprised at how much he managed to eff the AGM up today. It was never going to be easy, because our fans (rightfully) challenge the board on most things. He made an absolute carrot of it and should seriously consider his position.
Wasn't there but if he really did lose it in the middle of the meeting then he really has shown that he isn't up to the job.

All he had to do was make a virtue out of the fact that Celtic supporters have strong views and aren't afraid to express them. He could have acknowledged supporters right to their view and respectfully disagreed.

Total balls up which confirms that the Board isn't fit for purpose. Any purpose
This.

He'd said his piece in reply to the malcontent (!) and, incidentally, this seemed to sway people around me to vote against LL who were going abstain.

He then called the vote and couldn't stop himself saying that he was disgusted and ashamed by it, causing a furore that he tried to quell by insisting the issue was now closed.

When another guy asked about the licensing issue re The Deid Club and started with an aside about wishing the Board had showed as much passion to pursue this as Bankier had displayed in defending LL, he then went off on that issue AGAIN rather than getting the hall onside by shooting into the open goal that denigrating the SFA/Sevco would bring.

Consummate Captain of Industry type carrot, all false bonhomie and fake listening skills but ultimately its 'my way or the high way'.



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