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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,001 Views)
Big_Bobo_Balde
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quattrobhoy
31 Jul 2014, 09:48 AM
After Seville, MON said we'd "have to get used to life in the slow lane". I'm beginning to suspect that we could be stuck on the hard shoulder.
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They come out with the classic excuse time and again about which league we're currently festering in, when it comes to dodging the available money we have to spend on quality. But what makes us think they'd be any better at loosening the purse strings even if we did unlikely gain entry to the EPL?! They'd obviously splash out a bit more than they currently are, but the more money available to them, the more I fear they'd hold back. Unambitious cowards. They were bad enough with this mentality before, but the deidco scandal has made them worse!
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31 Jul 2014, 09:39 AM
"I think last night's result may have been on the cards. There has been no investment in the team."

"The last 6 months wasn't enjoyable. I started getting angry with the players which is not a good sign."

Neil Lennon speaking on @bbc5live
Interesting quotes, we knew about the lack of investment but it sounds like there were a few dressing room problems long before Deila came in. May also be linked in with Ledley & Samaras not getting the new deals they supposedly wanted (maybe Hooper too).
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 09:39 AM
"I think last night's result may have been on the cards. There has been no investment in the team."

"The last 6 months wasn't enjoyable. I started getting angry with the players which is not a good sign."

Neil Lennon speaking on @bbc5live
Good for Neil speaking out. Must have pained him to see that result. Wonder if Lawwell will deign to respond?

Why would he be angry at the players - not listening, not good enough, complacent?
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The problem I have is that the Board is playing with a stacked deck. No matter what happens, the bank balance will be healthier this year than last. No matter what happens, the team will be poorer this year than last.

If we fail to qualify, we'll sell VVD and Forster because the revenue gap will have to be plugged. If we do qualify, VVD and Forster will still be sold; that money will be bundled in with the CL cash. Either way, we will continue to sell our best players and Lawell can still trumpet the fact that he's run the Club prudently.

I'm actually getting sick of the whole thing. We had a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to dominate Scottish football - and kick on in Europe. Some reinvestment from the sale of players, plus using some of the CL cash, could have allowed us to really improve the quality of the team. Instead we've got a Celtic team that's barely worthy of the name.
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When he says getting angry with the players, does he mean because they're shampooe and it was frustrating him. And that he knew he wasnt going to be allowed to bring in better.

It's worrying that we can sell Wanyama, Ledley, Hooper, McGeady a wee bit further back and Watt now yet we can only bring in a sick-note keeper and a championship reject.

There must be something going on in the background beyond 'Wheeey we're financially sound'.
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paulfg42
31 Jul 2014, 10:03 AM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 09:39 AM
"I think last night's result may have been on the cards. There has been no investment in the team."

"The last 6 months wasn't enjoyable. I started getting angry with the players which is not a good sign."

Neil Lennon speaking on @bbc5live
Good for Neil speaking out. Must have pained him to see that result. Wonder if Lawwell will deign to respond?

Why would he be angry at the players - not listening, not good enough, complacent?
Maybe seeing the obvious lack of quality and their inability to play a more interesting brand of football. It would be frustrating to know that you're working with one hand tied behind your back.
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quattrobhoy
31 Jul 2014, 09:48 AM
After Seville, MON said we'd "have to get used to life in the slow lane". I'm beginning to suspect that we could be stuck on the hard shoulder.
That's the first time anyone's said that.
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Is there a CQN blog yet telling us it will all be OK and Peter knows what hes doing?
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They have more money to spend than they currently are which is sod all. I'm not asking us to go wild in the aisles just invest in the team properly. The board had no plan to continue on after the success of the first wave of players bought under Lennon. Should have been a plan to buy a slightly more expensive player with an even higher ceiling after selling Wanyama etc. Porto do it all the sodding time. They don't buy players like Hulk with what they find down the back of the sofa but when they develop and sell them it's 30m upwards they get for their 10m initial outlay.

Instead of that Lawwell decided to just buy some crappers with no likely return on investment at all at this stage, huge backwards step and he should be sacked because of it. He has no plan for the team which is unforgivable on his income. Can't justify it, time to go Peter.
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Mackin
31 Jul 2014, 10:09 AM
Is there a CQN blog yet telling us it will all be OK and Peter knows what hes doing?
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Signing Gordon really told us everything you need to know about those who run the club.

A keeper who hasn't played for 2 years that nobody else wanted but Celtic sign him simply because his free and cheap wages.
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31 Jul 2014, 10:05 AM
The problem I have is that the Board is playing with a stacked deck. No matter what happens, the bank balance will be healthier this year than last. No matter what happens, the team will be poorer this year than last.

If we fail to qualify, we'll sell VVD and Forster because the revenue gap will have to be plugged. If we do qualify, VVD and Forster will still be sold; that money will be bundled in with the CL cash. Either way, we will continue to sell our best players and Lawell can still trumpet the fact that he's run the Club prudently.

I'm actually getting sick of the whole thing. We had a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to dominate Scottish football - and kick on in Europe. Some reinvestment from the sale of players, plus using some of the CL cash, could have allowed us to really improve the quality of the team. Instead we've got a Celtic team that's barely worthy of the name.
Bit ott

We maybe out of Europe at least close to being out now but thats not going to stop us dominating Scottish football for the next 10 years.

Even if the club sells Forster and VVD its not going to make a difference to us winning the league or not. Sevco will not be in a good shape when they do arrive at the top table. There will be another admin before that happens as well. We will most likley get to 6 or 7 before they are in a position to be taken seriously.

We just need to regroup, invest in our youth and bring in some decent young talent to replace the players being sold.

Edited by dazabhoy67, 31 Jul 2014, 10:15 AM.
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londontoglasgowCSC
31 Jul 2014, 10:11 AM
They have more money to spend than they currently are which is sod all. I'm not asking us to go wild in the aisles just invest in the team properly. The board had no plan to continue on after the success of the first wave of players bought under Lennon. Should have been a plan to buy a slightly more expensive player with an even higher ceiling after selling Wanyama etc. Porto do it all the sodding time. They don't buy players like Hulk with what they find down the back of the sofa but when they develop and sell them it's 30m upwards they get for their 10m initial outlay.

Instead of that Lawwell decided to just buy some crappers with no likely return on investment at all at this stage, huge backwards step and he should be sacked because of it. He has no plan for the team which is unforgivable on his income. Can't justify it, time to go Peter.
absolutely. For our model to work properly, we have to keep improving. We have done the opposite.

Porto are about to sell Mangala for about EUR 35M. They paid EUR 6M for him from Standard Liege. Serious outlay in order to generate a real class player.

A 6M purchase however, would screw up our wage structure We now have a team on relatively low salaries, and there appears to be no desire to bring in someone who is markedly better (and therefore more costly) than what we have already.
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dazabhoy67
31 Jul 2014, 10:14 AM
The Green Lantern
31 Jul 2014, 10:05 AM
The problem I have is that the Board is playing with a stacked deck. No matter what happens, the bank balance will be healthier this year than last. No matter what happens, the team will be poorer this year than last.

If we fail to qualify, we'll sell VVD and Forster because the revenue gap will have to be plugged. If we do qualify, VVD and Forster will still be sold; that money will be bundled in with the CL cash. Either way, we will continue to sell our best players and Lawell can still trumpet the fact that he's run the Club prudently.

I'm actually getting sick of the whole thing. We had a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to dominate Scottish football - and kick on in Europe. Some reinvestment from the sale of players, plus using some of the CL cash, could have allowed us to really improve the quality of the team. Instead we've got a Celtic team that's barely worthy of the name.
Bit ott

We maybe out of Europe at least close to being out now but thats not going to stop us dominating Scottish football for the next 10 years.

Even if the club sells Forster and VVD its not going to make a difference to us winning the league or not. Sevco will not be in a good shape when they do arrive at the top table. There will be another admin before that happens as well. We will most likley get to 6 or 7 before they are in a position to be taken seriously.

We just need to regroup, invest in our youth and bring in some decent young talent to replace the players being sold.

Honestly, WGAF about the huns? We may "dominate Scottish football for the next 10 years" (bring back the effin rolleyes smiley!), but that's hardly a reflection the quality of the team or the club.

Since Larsson and Sutton left, we've bought cheaper and cheaper replacements, to the point that we find ourselves bringing on Leigh Griffiths to try and save our season. Leigh effin Griffiths. :lol:

And when he inevitably gets punted, what quality of player are we going to replace him with?
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Can this club seriously not spend £3 - £5 mil on a player who could then potentially go for 3 x that amount?
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idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 10:21 AM
dazabhoy67
31 Jul 2014, 10:14 AM
The Green Lantern
31 Jul 2014, 10:05 AM
The problem I have is that the Board is playing with a stacked deck. No matter what happens, the bank balance will be healthier this year than last. No matter what happens, the team will be poorer this year than last.

If we fail to qualify, we'll sell VVD and Forster because the revenue gap will have to be plugged. If we do qualify, VVD and Forster will still be sold; that money will be bundled in with the CL cash. Either way, we will continue to sell our best players and Lawell can still trumpet the fact that he's run the Club prudently.

I'm actually getting sick of the whole thing. We had a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to dominate Scottish football - and kick on in Europe. Some reinvestment from the sale of players, plus using some of the CL cash, could have allowed us to really improve the quality of the team. Instead we've got a Celtic team that's barely worthy of the name.
Bit ott

We maybe out of Europe at least close to being out now but thats not going to stop us dominating Scottish football for the next 10 years.

Even if the club sells Forster and VVD its not going to make a difference to us winning the league or not. Sevco will not be in a good shape when they do arrive at the top table. There will be another admin before that happens as well. We will most likley get to 6 or 7 before they are in a position to be taken seriously.

We just need to regroup, invest in our youth and bring in some decent young talent to replace the players being sold.

Honestly, WGAF about the huns? We may "dominate Scottish football for the next 10 years" (bring back the effin rolleyes smiley!), but that's hardly a reflection the quality of the team or the club.

Since Larsson and Sutton left, we've bought cheaper and cheaper replacements, to the point that we find ourselves bringing on Leigh Griffiths to try and save our season. Leigh effin Griffiths. :lol:

And when he inevitably gets punted, what quality of player are we going to replace him with?
Who's currently playing up top for Hibs?
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31 Jul 2014, 10:21 AM
dazabhoy67
31 Jul 2014, 10:14 AM
The Green Lantern
31 Jul 2014, 10:05 AM
The problem I have is that the Board is playing with a stacked deck. No matter what happens, the bank balance will be healthier this year than last. No matter what happens, the team will be poorer this year than last.

If we fail to qualify, we'll sell VVD and Forster because the revenue gap will have to be plugged. If we do qualify, VVD and Forster will still be sold; that money will be bundled in with the CL cash. Either way, we will continue to sell our best players and Lawell can still trumpet the fact that he's run the Club prudently.

I'm actually getting sick of the whole thing. We had a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to dominate Scottish football - and kick on in Europe. Some reinvestment from the sale of players, plus using some of the CL cash, could have allowed us to really improve the quality of the team. Instead we've got a Celtic team that's barely worthy of the name.
Bit ott

We maybe out of Europe at least close to being out now but thats not going to stop us dominating Scottish football for the next 10 years.

Even if the club sells Forster and VVD its not going to make a difference to us winning the league or not. Sevco will not be in a good shape when they do arrive at the top table. There will be another admin before that happens as well. We will most likley get to 6 or 7 before they are in a position to be taken seriously.

We just need to regroup, invest in our youth and bring in some decent young talent to replace the players being sold.

Honestly, WGAF about the huns? We may "dominate Scottish football for the next 10 years" (bring back the effin rolleyes smiley!), but that's hardly a reflection the quality of the team or the club.

Since Larsson and Sutton left, we've bought cheaper and cheaper replacements, to the point that we find ourselves bringing on Leigh Griffiths to try and save our season. Leigh effin Griffiths. :lol:

And when he inevitably gets punted, what quality of player are we going to replace him with?
Exactly. This has been an ongoing process for about a decade. We replaced Larsson with Henri Camara, ffs.

Even the players that Strachan had are miles better than what we have now. JVOH, Naka, McDonald, Donati, Jarosik and even Tommy Gravesen would walk into this current team. The comparison to MON's team is even more stark: we've went from Lambert, Lennon, Petrov, Thompson and Lubo to Charlie Mulgrew and a guy who can't get a game for Cardiff.
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liger05
31 Jul 2014, 10:23 AM
Can this club seriously not spend £3 - £5 mil on a player who could then potentially go for 3 x that amount?
I would think that we could if we wanted. Trouble is the board don't want to and are happy shopping in the bargain basement.

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Scotsman article from September 2003 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/o-neill-left-in-the-slow-lane-1-1294386

Quite depressing reading 11 years on.

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