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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,793 Views)
Shuggie Edvaldsson
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Don't we already have some kind of link with a Liga MX side? Or did that just fall by the wayside?

I don't see any point in aiming for American or Asian markets with our current product--though I don't mean Celtic's squad but rather the SPL as a whole. American fans of the game are more discriminating than many here suppose, and they are being raised on a diet of EPL and CL games. It's hard enough to get many fans here to attend minor league sports in local stadia. To get them to tune into an overseas equivalent at odd times that has been won by only two clubs in nearly three decades is simply pie in the sky.

Someone earlier mentioned partnerships with, among others, Notre Dame University (because of the whole fighting Irish thing y'know). Try as I might, I cannot think of any reason an educational non-profit would want to partner a professional football club five thousand miles away. Nor can I see the Revs aspiring to be a feeder club. I was there the other day, and they had 42,000 in attendance. I think they have grander aspirations than proving a few players to us.

We were champions of Europe with locals, developed since youth, and a few modest signings. I know the game has changed, but still--do people really see an exotic scheme like these as viable and appropriate?
Edited by Shuggie Edvaldsson, 12 Nov 2015, 01:35 AM.
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Just out of interest, much much would it cost to 'buy' Celtic/become majority shareholder?
Was wondering this as well, whatever DD paid plus a hefty profit, after all thats why he bought his shares.

He bought 20% from Fergus McCann, then built upon that, hard to find out or calculate how much he has paid in his investment.
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11 Nov 2015, 08:20 PM
First, in Scott Allan we've pretty much got our own Dariusz Adamczuk
The jury has spoken.

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11 Nov 2015, 03:42 PM
Just out of interest, much much would it cost to 'buy' Celtic/become majority shareholder?
Was wondering this as well, whatever DD paid plus a hefty profit, after all thats why he bought his shares.

He bought 20% from Fergus McCann, then built upon that, hard to find out or calculate how much he has paid in his investment.
Pretty sure he's been getting a decent annual dividend for most, if not all the time he's been a Celtic shareholder. (I almost typed "Celtic supporter." :lol: )
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First, in Scott Allan we've pretty much got our own Dariusz Adamczuk; a largely pointless signing of a mildly talented domestic rival player, with very little consideration of where he might fit into the team or what areas of our side need strengthening most, signed purely to "get it up" our rivals. Now, in talk of this US franchise link-up we've got our own Northern Spirit; a deflection tactic to take away from failings in Europe?

If Lawwell starts giving exclusive "state of the union"-esque interviews to Chick Young from behind a mahogany desk, while wearing one of those stupid pastel coloured shirts with a white collar and cuffs - I'm out of here!
Fuxache man, you still trotting out this half-baked guff about Scott Allan? Lawwell doesn't spend £0.5m on players we desperately need, you really think he'd just toss it away on a GIRUY that no one - yersel excepted - even noticed, far less was impressed by? And if he really wanted to GIRUY to the huns, surely he'd have loaned the boy back to Hibs, Ryan Christie-style? And speaking of RC, who was his signing supposed to annoy? He could also fit your description of SA.

Let it go m'man. It's no' worth it... :(
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Shuggie Edvaldsson
12 Nov 2015, 01:32 AM
Don't we already have some kind of link with a Liga MX side? Or did that just fall by the wayside?

I don't see any point in aiming for American or Asian markets with our current product--though I don't mean Celtic's squad but rather the SPL as a whole. American fans of the game are more discriminating than many here suppose, and they are being raised on a diet of EPL and CL games. It's hard enough to get many fans here to attend minor league sports in local stadia. To get them to tune into an overseas equivalent at odd times that has been won by only two clubs in nearly three decades is simply pie in the sky.

Someone earlier mentioned partnerships with, among others, Notre Dame University (because of the whole fighting Irish thing y'know). Try as I might, I cannot think of any reason an educational non-profit would want to partner a professional football club five thousand miles away. Nor can I see the Revs aspiring to be a feeder club. I was there the other day, and they had 42,000 in attendance. I think they have grander aspirations than proving a few players to us.

We were champions of Europe with locals, developed since youth, and a few modest signings. I know the game has changed, but still--do people really see an exotic scheme like these as viable and appropriate?
Good post :thumbsup: While I think winning the CL with locals is now a pipe dream for any club in any country, never mind Scotland, I still think concentrating on homebred talent is something we should go back to doing. Right now we have a team of foreign mercenaries sprinkled with one or two home-growns which does well domestically but isn't able to compete in Europe. Surely if we reversed this, i.e. had a team of the best Scottish players with a sprinkling of one or two quality imports, we would do no worse, but would be giving European exposure to Scottish players who are not getting any now, and would surely have a positive effect on not only Celtic's future, but the Scottish game in general. But this would mean fans changing their current attitude at every transfer window, which is that strengthening the team equates to bringing in more, not less foreign players.
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Was just watching a basketball game there online between Boca Juniors and San Lorenzo de Almagro. Two "soccer" teams if you like. What ever happened to the rumour that the board were looking to turn Celtic into a community "sports club" of sorts. Utilising the velodrome was mentioned. Where the Glasgow Rocks already play.

Has anyone else heard this?
Edited by Genco Abbandando, 12 Nov 2015, 07:18 PM.
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12 Nov 2015, 07:10 PM
Shuggie Edvaldsson
12 Nov 2015, 01:32 AM
Don't we already have some kind of link with a Liga MX side? Or did that just fall by the wayside?

I don't see any point in aiming for American or Asian markets with our current product--though I don't mean Celtic's squad but rather the SPL as a whole. American fans of the game are more discriminating than many here suppose, and they are being raised on a diet of EPL and CL games. It's hard enough to get many fans here to attend minor league sports in local stadia. To get them to tune into an overseas equivalent at odd times that has been won by only two clubs in nearly three decades is simply pie in the sky.

Someone earlier mentioned partnerships with, among others, Notre Dame University (because of the whole fighting Irish thing y'know). Try as I might, I cannot think of any reason an educational non-profit would want to partner a professional football club five thousand miles away. Nor can I see the Revs aspiring to be a feeder club. I was there the other day, and they had 42,000 in attendance. I think they have grander aspirations than proving a few players to us.

We were champions of Europe with locals, developed since youth, and a few modest signings. I know the game has changed, but still--do people really see an exotic scheme like these as viable and appropriate?
Good post :thumbsup: While I think winning the CL with locals is now a pipe dream for any club in any country, never mind Scotland, I still think concentrating on homebred talent is something we should go back to doing. Right now we have a team of foreign mercenaries sprinkled with one or two home-growns which does well domestically but isn't able to compete in Europe. Surely if we reversed this, i.e. had a team of the best Scottish players with a sprinkling of one or two quality imports, we would do no worse, but would be giving European exposure to Scottish players who are not getting any now, and would surely have a positive effect on not only Celtic's future, but the Scottish game in general. But this would mean fans changing their current attitude at every transfer window, which is that strengthening the team equates to bringing in more, not less foreign players.
Which of our players would you describe as 'foreign mercenaries' ?

Should we consider anyone who isn't a celtic fan from birth to be a mercenary ? What about Gordon is he a home grown mercenary ?

We already have a team which is packed full of Scottish players, we have signed 4 in the past 9 months and if we see the opportunity to pick up talent in Scotland we will clearly take it. What we need to do is look for value in any market where it is available to us and any possible links we can create to help in this matter should be nurtured.
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12 Nov 2015, 07:28 PM
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12 Nov 2015, 07:10 PM
Shuggie Edvaldsson
12 Nov 2015, 01:32 AM
Don't we already have some kind of link with a Liga MX side? Or did that just fall by the wayside?

I don't see any point in aiming for American or Asian markets with our current product--though I don't mean Celtic's squad but rather the SPL as a whole. American fans of the game are more discriminating than many here suppose, and they are being raised on a diet of EPL and CL games. It's hard enough to get many fans here to attend minor league sports in local stadia. To get them to tune into an overseas equivalent at odd times that has been won by only two clubs in nearly three decades is simply pie in the sky.

Someone earlier mentioned partnerships with, among others, Notre Dame University (because of the whole fighting Irish thing y'know). Try as I might, I cannot think of any reason an educational non-profit would want to partner a professional football club five thousand miles away. Nor can I see the Revs aspiring to be a feeder club. I was there the other day, and they had 42,000 in attendance. I think they have grander aspirations than proving a few players to us.

We were champions of Europe with locals, developed since youth, and a few modest signings. I know the game has changed, but still--do people really see an exotic scheme like these as viable and appropriate?
Good post :thumbsup: While I think winning the CL with locals is now a pipe dream for any club in any country, never mind Scotland, I still think concentrating on homebred talent is something we should go back to doing. Right now we have a team of foreign mercenaries sprinkled with one or two home-growns which does well domestically but isn't able to compete in Europe. Surely if we reversed this, i.e. had a team of the best Scottish players with a sprinkling of one or two quality imports, we would do no worse, but would be giving European exposure to Scottish players who are not getting any now, and would surely have a positive effect on not only Celtic's future, but the Scottish game in general. But this would mean fans changing their current attitude at every transfer window, which is that strengthening the team equates to bringing in more, not less foreign players.
Which of our players would you describe as 'foreign mercenaries' ?

Should we consider anyone who isn't a celtic fan from birth to be a mercenary ? What about Gordon is he a home grown mercenary ?

We already have a team which is packed full of Scottish players, we have signed 4 in the past 9 months and if we see the opportunity to pick up talent in Scotland we will clearly take it. What we need to do is look for value in any market where it is available to us and any possible links we can create to help in this matter should be nurtured.
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12 Nov 2015, 06:41 PM
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11 Nov 2015, 08:20 PM
First, in Scott Allan we've pretty much got our own Dariusz Adamczuk; a largely pointless signing of a mildly talented domestic rival player, with very little consideration of where he might fit into the team or what areas of our side need strengthening most, signed purely to "get it up" our rivals. Now, in talk of this US franchise link-up we've got our own Northern Spirit; a deflection tactic to take away from failings in Europe?

If Lawwell starts giving exclusive "state of the union"-esque interviews to Chick Young from behind a mahogany desk, while wearing one of those stupid pastel coloured shirts with a white collar and cuffs - I'm out of here!
Fuxache man, you still trotting out this half-baked guff about Scott Allan? Lawwell doesn't spend £0.5m on players we desperately need, you really think he'd just toss it away on a GIRUY that no one - yersel excepted - even noticed, far less was impressed by? And if he really wanted to GIRUY to the huns, surely he'd have loaned the boy back to Hibs, Ryan Christie-style? And speaking of RC, who was his signing supposed to annoy? He could also fit your description of SA.

Let it go m'man. It's no' worth it... :(
You're right. Some of his recent unused substitute appearances have won me over. I can no longer see the parallels - whatsoever - with the gazumping tactics of the huns a few years ago.
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12 Nov 2015, 06:41 PM
Belgrano
11 Nov 2015, 08:20 PM
First, in Scott Allan we've pretty much got our own Dariusz Adamczuk; a largely pointless signing of a mildly talented domestic rival player, with very little consideration of where he might fit into the team or what areas of our side need strengthening most, signed purely to "get it up" our rivals. Now, in talk of this US franchise link-up we've got our own Northern Spirit; a deflection tactic to take away from failings in Europe?

If Lawwell starts giving exclusive "state of the union"-esque interviews to Chick Young from behind a mahogany desk, while wearing one of those stupid pastel coloured shirts with a white collar and cuffs - I'm out of here!
Fuxache man, you still trotting out this half-baked guff about Scott Allan? Lawwell doesn't spend £0.5m on players we desperately need, you really think he'd just toss it away on a GIRUY that no one - yersel excepted - even noticed, far less was impressed by? And if he really wanted to GIRUY to the huns, surely he'd have loaned the boy back to Hibs, Ryan Christie-style? And speaking of RC, who was his signing supposed to annoy? He could also fit your description of SA.

Let it go m'man. It's no' worth it... :(
You're right. Some of his recent unused substitute appearances have won me over. I can no longer see the parallels - whatsoever - with the gazumping tactics of the huns a few years ago.
He's been injured has he not?
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You're right. Some of his recent unused substitute appearances have won me over. I can no longer see the parallels - whatsoever - with the gazumping tactics of the huns a few years ago.
He's been injured has he not?
While being named on the substitutes bench?
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He's been injured has he not?
While being named on the substitutes bench?
That's only been the last game or two I'm sure..
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While being named on the substitutes bench?
That's only been the last game or two I'm sure..
Well that's fine - then don't count then.
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Some of his recent unused substitute appearances have won me over. I can no longer see the parallels - whatsoever - with the gazumping tactics of the huns a few years ago.
Did you see much of Scott Allan when he was at Hibs? If you did, and you're still sticking to your woeful point about gazumping the Hüns, the only conclusion can be that you don't know much about football.

If you haven't seen much of Allan in action, maybe hold off until he's made a few appearances for Celtic, eh? Just a thought, like.
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Which of our players would you describe as 'foreign mercenaries' ?

Should we consider anyone who isn't a celtic fan from birth to be a mercenary ? What about Gordon is he a home grown mercenary ?

We already have a team which is packed full of Scottish players, we have signed 4 in the past 9 months and if we see the opportunity to pick up talent in Scotland we will clearly take it. What we need to do is look for value in any market where it is available to us and any possible links we can create to help in this matter should be nurtured.
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Some of his recent unused substitute appearances have won me over. I can no longer see the parallels - whatsoever - with the gazumping tactics of the huns a few years ago.
Did you see much of Scott Allan when he was at Hibs? If you did, and you're still sticking to your woeful point about gazumping the Hüns, the only conclusion can be that you don't know much about football.

If you haven't seen much of Allan in action, maybe hold off until he's made a few appearances for Celtic, eh? Just a thought, like.
I saw some of him at Dundee United. A bit less at WBA. None at any of the various 4 lower-league English clubs he was on-loan at. I saw nothing of him at Championship Hibs.

We signed him in the summer transfer window. A summer which saw almost wall-to-wall speculation that he'd join Rangers, "dream move" etc. Then, almost out of nowhere, we make a move to sign the 23-year-old. A 23-year-old who we signed in the summer, and who is yet to start a game for Celtic. And we're in November now.

But you're right - I don't know much about football because I don't watch Hibs games.
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First, in Scott Allan we've pretty much got our own Dariusz Adamczuk
The jury has spoken.

:nono:
Rubbish, he will be an excellent player once he is 100% fit. :thumbsup:
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Shuggie Edvaldsson
12 Nov 2015, 01:32 AM
Don't we already have some kind of link with a Liga MX side? Or did that just fall by the wayside?

I don't see any point in aiming for American or Asian markets with our current product--though I don't mean Celtic's squad but rather the SPL as a whole. American fans of the game are more discriminating than many here suppose, and they are being raised on a diet of EPL and CL games. It's hard enough to get many fans here to attend minor league sports in local stadia. To get them to tune into an overseas equivalent at odd times that has been won by only two clubs in nearly three decades is simply pie in the sky.

Someone earlier mentioned partnerships with, among others, Notre Dame University (because of the whole fighting Irish thing y'know). Try as I might, I cannot think of any reason an educational non-profit would want to partner a professional football club five thousand miles away. Nor can I see the Revs aspiring to be a feeder club. I was there the other day, and they had 42,000 in attendance. I think they have grander aspirations than proving a few players to us.

We were champions of Europe with locals, developed since youth, and a few modest signings. I know the game has changed, but still--do people really see an exotic scheme like these as viable and appropriate?
Good post :thumbsup: While I think winning the CL with locals is now a pipe dream for any club in any country, never mind Scotland, I still think concentrating on homebred talent is something we should go back to doing. Right now we have a team of foreign mercenaries sprinkled with one or two home-growns which does well domestically but isn't able to compete in Europe. Surely if we reversed this, i.e. had a team of the best Scottish players with a sprinkling of one or two quality imports, we would do no worse, but would be giving European exposure to Scottish players who are not getting any now, and would surely have a positive effect on not only Celtic's future, but the Scottish game in general. But this would mean fans changing their current attitude at every transfer window, which is that strengthening the team equates to bringing in more, not less foreign players.
Which of our players would you describe as 'foreign mercenaries' ?

Should we consider anyone who isn't a celtic fan from birth to be a mercenary ? What about Gordon is he a home grown mercenary ?

We already have a team which is packed full of Scottish players, we have signed 4 in the past 9 months and if we see the opportunity to pick up talent in Scotland we will clearly take it. What we need to do is look for value in any market where it is available to us and any possible links we can create to help in this matter should be nurtured.
OK, well, lets leave the word mercenaries out of it and just call them foreign players hoping to using Celtic as a stepping stone to higher levels, or just looking for the best paid gig they can get. Gordon, Brown, Armstrong, Griffiths isn't what I would call stacking the team with Scottish players. Maybe you're adding squad players like GMS, Mulgrew, Tierney and McGregor. Lets say our 22 man squad has 8 Scots and 14 foreigners. That is indeed a big improvement over previous years, but I am suggesting that reversing the mix would not hurt us one bit, and having fewer imports would probably allow us to afford better quality ones, while giving more European exposure to the Scottish boys.

Edit: Forgot Forrest.
Edited by kellybhoy, 12 Nov 2015, 11:29 PM.
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I don't know much about football because I don't watch Hibs games.
You're OK--you've managed to prove that point in other ways.
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