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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,003 Views)
stevie w f hegel
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31 Jul 2014, 12:50 AM
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31 Jul 2014, 12:48 AM
Never thought I'd say this but we are currently being mismanaged worse than under the Kellys and Whites in the 80s and 90s.
Steady, Eddy.
HAHAHHAHA. I hope that is a joke.
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stevie w f hegel
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Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.
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31 Jul 2014, 01:49 AM
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31 Jul 2014, 01:23 AM
We're not been mismanaged worse than the early 90s, that's impossible unless we are liquidated one day.

In many ways the situation is more reprehensible because we do have a fully qualified and competent board on the financial aspect, but the footballing department has been downsized beyond any level of acceptability. We will win 4IAR this season, this should not be a season of despair.

But to have only signed a freebie 3rd choice injury-prone goalie and a Cardiff reject as of 31st July? Pathetic. Perhaps if we're lucky, we'll buy Stevie May and James McFadden on a deadline day double-scoop as Forster and Van Dijk check in for medicals at St Mary's.

Commence the ultra apathy.
Too many saying four in a row is a certainty for my liking, especially given the incompetence of the Board, and tonight Ronny Deila and the players.

Add to the ingredients of potential disaster the almost certain sale of Fraser Forster and Virgil Van Dyke (maybe others), their replacements being Craig Gordon and some injury-prone, hairy-arsed non-entity from a Scandinavian backwater.

A decent and well organised SPFL team, most likely Aberdeen, could give us a run for our money.

IIRC, we needed Robbie Keane to help rescue 2nd place a few years ago?
There is absolutely zero chance an SPFL team will "give us a run for our money" and that's part of the problem.

I've already said several times how this debacle will barely register on the board's radar, inasmuch as I'm guessing the fiscal plan for the upcoming year was already based on non-qualification.

I'd be surprised if other investors throughout Europe aren't taking note of our risk-averse, high planned margin model and try and adapt it to their own recently/future purchased club.

Heck, it happens in baseball all the time. Fans clamor on forums much like this one that they won't be customers taken for granted, but they keep attending the venues in sufficient numbers. At least the likes of hockey, unlike say the CL, operate under strict parity and salary cap structures, which keep the gap between teams from reaching ridiculous levels.

Like I said, there'll be 30000 at Parkhead until the treble is gone. Then we might see movement that matters. Replace Lawwell with anybody else and it'd be the exact same, I'm afraid.
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.
Wrong.

WE WON'T make it past the last 16, at most, as long as football as massive, all-encompassing uber-fashionable commodity, makes the money available to top league clubs too much to handle for third tier national structures.

WE WILL challenge again once this has passed, and pass it will-just maybe not anytime soon for us to be fully able to enjoy it :lol:
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.

Abso-diddly-utely. Those last three words--you really need to put them to good use, and maybe even get them tattooed somewhere on your person. In terms of specific location, why not solicit a few helpful suggestions on this messageboard!

As far as Lawwell goes, his entire business philosophy is apparently based on the* best-selling book in which a legendary US industrialist reveals the simple yet revolutionary idea that rocketed him to** mega-wealth:

"Nothing ventured... nothing lost."***

Never mind a tattoo--that is pure brass plaque material, that is. In fact, I wonder if the Latin translation might fit onto the badge of a certain best-selling football strip. Deffo something to think about, Peter.


* non-existent

** entirely fictional

*** Efficacy of the Golden Rule is not guaranteed within former Eastern Bloc nations
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.
Bollocks. Nobody is moaning about Lawwell because our chances of winning the CL have took a hit. It's the fact the constant downsizing has finally come back to haunt us and we've been humbled by a team we shouldn't have been. We lost 4-1 going on 8 ffs.

Our last manager left because of this pish. Our new one was the cheap option (one I back, though). The squad is a joke. Buy low, sell high. That's the strategy yet what we're now doing is selling high and not even buying/replacing never mind replacing adequately.

Enough is enough. We've made a fortune on player sales and CL success. Our season ticket prices are a joke considering the quality of football in this country and yet, with all of that, we found ourselves playing Kris Commons up front and Charlie Mulgrew in midfield tonight. We're being taken for a ride.
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I'm loath to mention the huns in this thread but this is a very simple point.

Rangers spent money they didn't have. We don't spend money we do have.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:26 AM
stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.

Abso-diddly-utely. Those last three words--you really need to put them to good use, and maybe even get them tattooed somewhere on your person. In terms of specific location, why not solicit a few helpful suggestions on this messageboard!

As far as Lawwell goes, his entire business philosophy is apparently based on the* best-selling book in which a legendary US industrialist reveals the simple yet revolutionary idea that rocketed him to** mega-wealth:

"Nothing ventured... nothing lost."***

Never mind a tattoo--that is pure brass plaque material, that is. In fact, I wonder if the Latin translation might fit onto the badge of a certain best-selling football strip. Deffo something to think about, Peter.


* non-existent

** entirely fictional

*** Efficacy of the Golden Rule is not guaranteed within former Eastern Bloc nations
:lol: are you ok chief?

Kind of peculiar how successive seasons of faithful expectations, met with abject mediocrity showcased by barge loads of signings that range from the uninspiring to the downright homicidal( unless they're not, in which case they'll be sold ), have succeeded in making me almost jaded with performances such as tonight's.

I mean, how godforsaken long have we been looking for quality up front ? It's been said that madness is trying the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. You could almost get caught missing the likes of Fortune, Fernandez and Beatty these days.

Now that's a marker on the passage of time, if ever there was one. Like I said before, at least the '90s had the impetus behind stopping the ten and showcased exceptional individual talents.
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stevie w f hegel
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dr mueller
31 Jul 2014, 03:24 AM
stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.
Wrong.

WE WON'T make it past the last 16, at most, as long as football as massive, all-encompassing uber-fashionable commodity, makes the money available to top league clubs too much to handle for third tier national structures.

WE WILL challenge again once this has passed, and pass it will-just maybe not anytime soon for us to be fully able to enjoy it :lol:
Welcome to the world of post industrial capitalism. Its all about the spectacle now. World Cup, Olympics, etc.... The turnover time of capital for those is instanteous compared with Fordist production.
This big business involvement in football will not change for at least a century. The bubble aint going to burst.
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 03:43 AM
dr mueller
31 Jul 2014, 03:24 AM
stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.
Wrong.

WE WON'T make it past the last 16, at most, as long as football as massive, all-encompassing uber-fashionable commodity, makes the money available to top league clubs too much to handle for third tier national structures.

WE WILL challenge again once this has passed, and pass it will-just maybe not anytime soon for us to be fully able to enjoy it :lol:
Welcome to the world of post industrial capitalism. Its all about the spectacle now. World Cup, Olympics, etc.... The turnover time of capital for those is instanteous compared with Fordist production.
This big business involvement in football will not change for at least a century. The bubble aint going to burst.
Probably correct if left to itself, but that's where the eventual intervention of statutory bodies at EU level for instance might come in and adjudicate on parity or "ceiling" terms, so to speak, for various reasons. Hey, it's happening in the US, of all places, so you never know.
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stevie w f hegel
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31 Jul 2014, 03:26 AM
stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 02:07 AM
Lawwell is doing fine. Really. We aren't going to challenge in Europe. EVER. Give it up.

Abso-diddly-utely. Those last three words--you really need to put them to good use, and maybe even get them tattooed somewhere on your person. In terms of specific location, why not solicit a few helpful suggestions on this messageboard!

As far as Lawwell goes, his entire business philosophy is apparently based on the* best-selling book in which a legendary US industrialist reveals the simple yet revolutionary idea that rocketed him to** mega-wealth:

"Nothing ventured... nothing lost."***

Never mind a tattoo--that is pure brass plaque material, that is. In fact, I wonder if the Latin translation might fit onto the badge of a certain best-selling football strip. Deffo something to think about, Peter.


* non-existent

** entirely fictional

*** Efficacy of the Golden Rule is not guaranteed within former Eastern Bloc nations
"Give it up" - You realistically believe we can achieve European success?
As for a tattoo, I'll leave that one to those with a lack of cultural capital.

As for Lawwell's credentials. His book - existent or not, is not what he is judged on - as far as I am aware. He has stabilised Celtic financially. Or do you disagree?

As for your mention of the Golden Rule, by which I assume you mean a unsystematic version of the Kantian categorical imperative. I don't see how this relates to tonight's result, or indeed the history of Eastern bloc nations. Could you elaborate for a daftie?

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Stabilised Celtic financially to the detriment of the team. Nice one, Pete.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:49 AM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:43 AM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:24 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Welcome to the world of post industrial capitalism. Its all about the spectacle now. World Cup, Olympics, etc.... The turnover time of capital for those is instanteous compared with Fordist production.
This big business involvement in football will not change for at least a century. The bubble aint going to burst.
Probably correct if left to itself, but that's where the eventual intervention of statutory bodies at EU level for instance might come in and adjudicate on parity or "ceiling" terms, so to speak, for various reasons. Hey, it's happening in the US, of all places, so you never know.
Good luck with that happening after TTIP.

Which will give corporations the ability to sue governments who pass legislation which impacts on profits. Unlikely that regulation of anything will be dominant in the future. Football included.

I have been wrong frequently, and hope I am again.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:55 AM
Stabilised Celtic financially to the detriment of the team. Nice one, Pete.
The team in relation to who? Madrid? Munich? The huns?
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 03:57 AM
McStay
31 Jul 2014, 03:55 AM
Stabilised Celtic financially to the detriment of the team. Nice one, Pete.
The team in relation to who? Madrid? Munich? The huns?
In relation to the team of previous seasons. Nobody expects us to be challenging Madrid or Munich. Just not to be embarrassed by the likes of Shakhter Karagandy & Legia Warsaw.

As for the huns, the gap between the two teams gets smaller each year. We should have been burying them, instead we're declining.
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stevie w f hegel
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31 Jul 2014, 03:55 AM
Stabilised Celtic financially to the detriment of the team. Nice one, Pete.
The team in relation to who? Madrid? Munich? The huns?
In relation to the team of previous seasons. Nobody expects us to be challenging Madrid or Munich. Just not to be embarrassed by the likes of Shakhter Karagandy & Legia Warsaw.
fair point.
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 03:56 AM
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stevie w f hegel
31 Jul 2014, 03:43 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Probably correct if left to itself, but that's where the eventual intervention of statutory bodies at EU level for instance might come in and adjudicate on parity or "ceiling" terms, so to speak, for various reasons. Hey, it's happening in the US, of all places, so you never know.
Good luck with that happening after TTIP.

Which will give corporations the ability to sue governments who pass legislation which impacts on profits. Unlikely that regulation of anything will be dominant in the future. Football included.

I have been wrong frequently, and hope I am again.
The predatory deregulative legal loophole you refer to has been in effect for years in the Americas, and that hasn't prevented the NHL and NFL from imposing parity structures. What I don't know is whether any of the franchises attempted to sue the respective leagues in this way, and under that pretense. Would be interesting to find out.
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31 Jul 2014, 04:03 AM
stevie w f hegel
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31 Jul 2014, 03:49 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepif left to itself, but that's where the eventual intervention of statutory bodies at EU level for instance might come in and adjudicate on parity or "ceiling" terms, so to speak, for various reasons. Hey, it's happening in the US, of all places, so you never know.
Good luck with that happening after TTIP.

Which will give corporations the ability to sue governments who pass legislation which impacts on profits. Unlikely that regulation of anything will be dominant in the future. Football included.

I have been wrong frequently, and hope I am again.
The predatory deregulative legal loophole you refer to has been in effect for years in the Americas, and that hasn't prevented the NHL and NFL from imposing parity structures. What I don't know is whether any of the franchises attempted to sue the respective leagues in this way, and under that pretense. Would be interesting to find out.
I suspect that the governing bodies have been very careful not to make any moves which could incur lawsuits.
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Whilst it is tempting to focus the blame on individuals or a group for failures, I find myself in a minority that wonders what it is that the board is doing so wrong ? I think that they are obliged to operate under business principles, and even operating a football business is not that challenging compared with other business entities.

The charge that they do not invest or spend money is simply untrue. They do, but if the money invested last season did not yield value for money, then that is a failing of the footballing operation (and regarding, the buy low, sell high policy, it was only valid for some, not all of our signings). The screams for greater investment stem from the relatively narrow horizon's of British football culture. Most of the EPL clubs are subsidy junkies, while aims of an average SPL club are modest to say the least. I would also ask how the investment strategies of the other CL qualifying clubs compare with ours. Given the level of investment in the current team, if anything, we are entitled ask why we are not getting better value for that ? This does not suggest a board that is failing. Rather, it suggests that our whole footballing operation is lacking in professionalism, compared even to smaller clubs in Europe.
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Whilst it is tempting to focus the blame on individuals or a group for failures, I find myself in a minority that wonders what it is that the board is doing so wrong ? I think that they are obliged to operate under business principles, and even operating a football business is not that challenging compared with other business entities.

The charge that they do not invest or spend money is simply untrue. They do, but if the money invested last season did not yield value for money, then that is a failing of the footballing operation (and regarding, the buy low, sell high policy, it was only valid for some, not all of our signings). The screams for greater investment stem from the relatively narrow horizon's of British football culture. Most of the EPL clubs are subsidy junkies, while aims of an average SPL club are modest to say the least. I would also ask how the investment strategies of the other CL qualifying clubs compare with ours. Given the level of investment in the current team, if anything, we are entitled ask why we are not getting better value for that ? This does not suggest a board that is failing. Rather, it suggests that our whole footballing operation is lacking in professionalism, compared even to smaller clubs in Europe.
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