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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,795 Views)
ronny_is_not_da_man
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fatboab
11 Nov 2015, 01:23 PM
this is where we have to be careful what we wish for. I'd love change, but only if it makes us better.
True I spose but I would hope the Celtic men in charge would hand over to guys they know will help take us forward. Not hand us to a Cellino type character ;)
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ronny_is_da_man
11 Nov 2015, 01:29 PM
fatboab
11 Nov 2015, 01:23 PM
this is where we have to be careful what we wish for. I'd love change, but only if it makes us better.
True I spose but I would hope the Celtic men in charge would hand over to guys they know will help take us forward. Not hand us to a Cellino type character ;)
If a major shareholder is wanting out I wouldn't be 100% sure they would give a eff who they were selling to.....and that's a sad thought
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henrikisgod
11 Nov 2015, 01:21 PM
OptimusCheese
11 Nov 2015, 01:20 PM
A takeover of what exactly?
Majority shareholding?
Whose shares though?
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henrikisgod
11 Nov 2015, 01:16 PM
ronny_is_da_man
11 Nov 2015, 01:05 PM
Not doubting Timomouse in anyway shape or form here but any of the other guys close to the club aware of this?

I really hope it's true and people step in that want to actively take the club forward.
Any chatter on who it's supposed to be?
Dallas Cowboys?
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OptimusCheese
11 Nov 2015, 01:49 PM
henrikisgod
11 Nov 2015, 01:21 PM
OptimusCheese
11 Nov 2015, 01:20 PM
A takeover of what exactly?
Majority shareholding?
Whose shares though?
These questions and many others will be answered in the next episode of Soap
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fatboab
11 Nov 2015, 01:23 PM
this is where we have to be careful what we wish for. I'd love change, but only if it makes us better.
Totally agree.

Given DD seems to have lost interest, a change in ownership could be really positive.

Or it could be our very own fund the purchase through loading the club with debt type deal (e.g. the Glazers at Man Utd, or Craig Whyte :ph43r: )
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'US Network'? Sounds a bit dodgy tbh.

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Cumbernauldbhoy
11 Nov 2015, 02:22 PM
'US Network'? Sounds a bit dodgy tbh.

We're being sold to Fox News :thumbsup:
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jpk31
11 Nov 2015, 02:25 PM
Cumbernauldbhoy
11 Nov 2015, 02:22 PM
'US Network'? Sounds a bit dodgy tbh.

We're being sold to Fox News :thumbsup:
:lol:

I don't see anything coming of this.
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aboutabhoy
11 Nov 2015, 12:55 PM
Sell off the club to the highest bidder to make a few more million,
:ponder: money would go to the shareholders.

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Willie Wonka
11 Nov 2015, 02:27 PM
aboutabhoy
11 Nov 2015, 12:55 PM
Sell off the club to the highest bidder to make a few more million,
:ponder: money would go to the shareholders.

Who has the highest number of shares, if it end's up to a similar situation as Liverpool, man u or chelsea ect, I won't be back.
Edited by aboutabhoy, 11 Nov 2015, 03:07 PM.
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Sorry to go against the grain here...

Can we as fans really expect to compete (as we have) for the Champs League post-Christmas on an ongoing basis? Is that a viable strategy for Celtic FC going forward?

Priority as always will be to win the league, which means just being a shade better than the rest; the gap between producing a team that's a bawhair better than Aberdeen/Hearts/etc. and producing a team capable of producing results on the top stage in Europe against world-class opposition is a massive gulf... Much bigger than I think is generally acknowledged on here. It'd be really interesting to take a look at the numbers (even historic) and chalking up what kind of pre-season investment would be feasible; but then we'd all need to agree on what risk levels were acceptable and of course, spending money doesn't guarantee anything.

I think our supports ambition is not matched by the board - but I look to the pleasure/pain model as to why nothing is happening about that...
Pleasure - domestically we're top of the pops by quite a margin and it doesn't take much. Financially, we're comfortable and operationally we're profitable. There's also a circus keeping everyone entertained with a calamity at the other side of the city.
Pain - watching a poor standard of football for quite some time now with no signs of that changing or steps being taken to improve, paying some of those impostors generous salaries for being rank, the lack of ambition in signings/managerial appointments, fall from grace in Europe.

Just not enough pain to inspire any sort of change. The standard of football is a hard one to swallow, but we're generally still winning games so it will be tolerated. No pain, no gain.

Please don't think I don't understand where you guys are coming from - I've went from doing 250 mile round trips to the games throughout 2006/7/8 to having nothing more than a passing interest in the results, catching the games on TV when I've nothing more important on. Celtic could have used this opportunity for growth, to mount CL runs in a bid to bank the money and further our reputation - but instead they've played it totally safe, scaled down and would argue they're adapting to the business environment... Given that I'd expect to see a far heavier focus on player/youth development and whilst a CL run would certainly boost the coffers it's not a priority under this sort of strategy...

I guess the question is does anybody see mounting a CL challenge and the costs associated with it as a good strategy?
Is buying a team worthy of CL football in our league productive?
Is building a team capable of CL football our strategy? Or should it be?

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stevon
11 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
Sorry to go against the grain here...

Can we as fans really expect to compete (as we have) for the Champs League post-Christmas on an ongoing basis? Is that a viable strategy for Celtic FC going forward?

Priority as always will be to win the league, which means just being a shade better than the rest; the gap between producing a team that's a bawhair better than Aberdeen/Hearts/etc. and producing a team capable of producing results on the top stage in Europe against world-class opposition is a massive gulf... Much bigger than I think is generally acknowledged on here. It'd be really interesting to take a look at the numbers (even historic) and chalking up what kind of pre-season investment would be feasible; but then we'd all need to agree on what risk levels were acceptable and of course, spending money doesn't guarantee anything.

I think our supports ambition is not matched by the board - but I look to the pleasure/pain model as to why nothing is happening about that...
Pleasure - domestically we're top of the pops by quite a margin and it doesn't take much. Financially, we're comfortable and operationally we're profitable. There's also a circus keeping everyone entertained with a calamity at the other side of the city.
Pain - watching a poor standard of football for quite some time now with no signs of that changing or steps being taken to improve, paying some of those impostors generous salaries for being rank, the lack of ambition in signings/managerial appointments, fall from grace in Europe.

Just not enough pain to inspire any sort of change. The standard of football is a hard one to swallow, but we're generally still winning games so it will be tolerated. No pain, no gain.

Please don't think I don't understand where you guys are coming from - I've went from doing 250 mile round trips to the games throughout 2006/7/8 to having nothing more than a passing interest in the results, catching the games on TV when I've nothing more important on. Celtic could have used this opportunity for growth, to mount CL runs in a bid to bank the money and further our reputation - but instead they've played it totally safe, scaled down and would argue they're adapting to the business environment... Given that I'd expect to see a far heavier focus on player/youth development and whilst a CL run would certainly boost the coffers it's not a priority under this sort of strategy...

I guess the question is does anybody see mounting a CL challenge and the costs associated with it as a good strategy?
Is buying a team worthy of CL football in our league productive?
Is building a team capable of CL football our strategy? Or should it be?

We are possibly looking at bottom spot in the Europa League.buy cheap sell high, buy cheap worked for a while but it's flawed.

Speculate to accumulate is a basic rule we haven't done it for donkeys years.
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stevon
11 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
Sorry to go against the grain here...

Can we as fans really expect to compete (as we have) for the Champs League post-Christmas on an ongoing basis? Is that a viable strategy for Celtic FC going forward?

Priority as always will be to win the league, which means just being a shade better than the rest; the gap between producing a team that's a bawhair better than Aberdeen/Hearts/etc. and producing a team capable of producing results on the top stage in Europe against world-class opposition is a massive gulf... Much bigger than I think is generally acknowledged on here. It'd be really interesting to take a look at the numbers (even historic) and chalking up what kind of pre-season investment would be feasible; but then we'd all need to agree on what risk levels were acceptable and of course, spending money doesn't guarantee anything.

I think our supports ambition is not matched by the board - but I look to the pleasure/pain model as to why nothing is happening about that...
Pleasure - domestically we're top of the pops by quite a margin and it doesn't take much. Financially, we're comfortable and operationally we're profitable. There's also a circus keeping everyone entertained with a calamity at the other side of the city.
Pain - watching a poor standard of football for quite some time now with no signs of that changing or steps being taken to improve, paying some of those impostors generous salaries for being rank, the lack of ambition in signings/managerial appointments, fall from grace in Europe.

Just not enough pain to inspire any sort of change. The standard of football is a hard one to swallow, but we're generally still winning games so it will be tolerated. No pain, no gain.

Please don't think I don't understand where you guys are coming from - I've went from doing 250 mile round trips to the games throughout 2006/7/8 to having nothing more than a passing interest in the results, catching the games on TV when I've nothing more important on. Celtic could have used this opportunity for growth, to mount CL runs in a bid to bank the money and further our reputation - but instead they've played it totally safe, scaled down and would argue they're adapting to the business environment... Given that I'd expect to see a far heavier focus on player/youth development and whilst a CL run would certainly boost the coffers it's not a priority under this sort of strategy...

I guess the question is does anybody see mounting a CL challenge and the costs associated with it as a good strategy?
Is buying a team worthy of CL football in our league productive?
Is building a team capable of CL football our strategy? Or should it be?

Given you've admited you only have a passing interest in results, it's not a surprise you are opting for a 'ach it's not bad' approach,

We are only profitable if we reach the Champions League, or make a big sale in the summer. That exposes an inherint weakness in the business as it is structured at the moment. We no longer have any assets to cash in on, and as a result it will be more difficult for us to reach the CL. This exposes the weakness of the business. This will most likelyresult in further fiscal pain, unless we negotiate the CL qualifiers PDQ.

I don't think anyone is, at the moment, asking for a team to regularly compete in the Champions League knock out stages. We are a team that has struggled at the prelim stages of the competition in recent seasons. That's just not good enough from a football, nor a financial point of view.

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11 Nov 2015, 03:06 PM
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11 Nov 2015, 02:27 PM
aboutabhoy
11 Nov 2015, 12:55 PM
Sell off the club to the highest bidder to make a few more million,
:ponder: money would go to the shareholders.

Who has the highest number of shares, if it end's up to a similar situation as Liverpool, man u or chelsea ect, I won't be back.
Here or Celtic Park?

I'll miss your mental team selections.
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Just out of interest, much much would it cost to 'buy' Celtic/become majority shareholder?
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stevon
11 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
Sorry to go against the grain here...

Can we as fans really expect to compete (as we have) for the Champs League post-Christmas on an ongoing basis? Is that a viable strategy for Celtic FC going forward?

Priority as always will be to win the league, which means just being a shade better than the rest; the gap between producing a team that's a bawhair better than Aberdeen/Hearts/etc. and producing a team capable of producing results on the top stage in Europe against world-class opposition is a massive gulf... Much bigger than I think is generally acknowledged on here. It'd be really interesting to take a look at the numbers (even historic) and chalking up what kind of pre-season investment would be feasible; but then we'd all need to agree on what risk levels were acceptable and of course, spending money doesn't guarantee anything.

I think our supports ambition is not matched by the board - but I look to the pleasure/pain model as to why nothing is happening about that...
Pleasure - domestically we're top of the pops by quite a margin and it doesn't take much. Financially, we're comfortable and operationally we're profitable. There's also a circus keeping everyone entertained with a calamity at the other side of the city.
Pain - watching a poor standard of football for quite some time now with no signs of that changing or steps being taken to improve, paying some of those impostors generous salaries for being rank, the lack of ambition in signings/managerial appointments, fall from grace in Europe.

Just not enough pain to inspire any sort of change. The standard of football is a hard one to swallow, but we're generally still winning games so it will be tolerated. No pain, no gain.

Please don't think I don't understand where you guys are coming from - I've went from doing 250 mile round trips to the games throughout 2006/7/8 to having nothing more than a passing interest in the results, catching the games on TV when I've nothing more important on. Celtic could have used this opportunity for growth, to mount CL runs in a bid to bank the money and further our reputation - but instead they've played it totally safe, scaled down and would argue they're adapting to the business environment... Given that I'd expect to see a far heavier focus on player/youth development and whilst a CL run would certainly boost the coffers it's not a priority under this sort of strategy...

I guess the question is does anybody see mounting a CL challenge and the costs associated with it as a good strategy?
Is buying a team worthy of CL football in our league productive?
Is building a team capable of CL football our strategy? Or should it be?

It's not about spending lots of money to get into the cl, it's about having the ambition and strategy in place to make qualifying for Cl easier, not going for the cheapest option has been demonstrated as not the best for making money, we should not be changing manager every other year or ever couple of years, We should get a manager with experience and track record developing players, building on a position of strength, not cutting back til there is nothing left. Think we're we would be if we invested in martin O'Neil at the same level as we did when he first joined, no the board took the decision they could do it cheaper to make more of a profit.it not worked and it has cost Celtic both on and off the field.
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Bodom Bhoy
11 Nov 2015, 03:42 PM
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11 Nov 2015, 03:06 PM
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11 Nov 2015, 02:27 PM

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Who has the highest number of shares, if it end's up to a similar situation as Liverpool, man u or chelsea ect, I won't be back.
Here or Celtic Park?

I'll miss your mental team selections.
Both
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Given you've admited you only have a passing interest in results, it's not a surprise you are opting for a 'ach it's not bad' approach


From what I've seen this season - it is bad. Quality of football I'm talking here.

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We are only profitable if we reach the Champions League, or make a big sale in the summer. That exposes an inherint weakness in the business as it is structured at the moment. We no longer have any assets to cash in on, and as a result it will be more difficult for us to reach the CL. This exposes the weakness of the business. This will most likelyresult in further fiscal pain, unless we negotiate the CL qualifiers PDQ.

Really? Excuse my ignorance. Quite unbelievable that we're not turning a profit without CL/transfer money. I was working on the theory that transfers/competition prizes aside, we were still turning over a healthy wee profit... So am I right in now thinking we actually need CL football to remain financially stable? That changes everything. Ignorance is bliss :( How big is that gap - as in, could we become what I'd consider 'safely solvent' pretty easily? A club that operates within its means without depending on uncertain transfer/competition prizes?

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I don't think anyone is, at the moment, asking for a team to regularly compete in the Champions League knock out stages. We are a team that has struggled at the prelim stages of the competition in recent seasons. That's just not good enough from a football, nor a financial point of view.

Always seems like the expectation from a section though doesn't it?

Thanks for your response and schooling on the financial situation! ;)
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DD/PL looking to jump ship so they don't have to deal with the Sevco ebt shenanigans ??
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