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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,799 Views)
Marado
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paulfg42
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4 Nov 2015, 02:12 PM
Thats an excellent article by Gaudd, btw
Holier than thou nonsense in there in amongst some hard truths.

Interesting to see the salaries Llambias and Leach earned at sevco compared to our CEO's remuneration package.
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Still no statement from our board on yesterday’s judgement.

You know they really could do themselves a massive favour in getting fans back onside by issuing a strongly worded statement calling for the issue of sporting integrity during the cheating years be looked at again by the authorities.

If they don’t mention it, it will be re-written to suit by the hun apologist media as if nothing ever happened.

We need a bit of fight here, to force the issue into the open. If we don’t it will only disappear after a week or so and anytime it is brought up it will be batted back down as some sort of Celtic myth.
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dazabhoy67
5 Nov 2015, 12:37 PM
Still no statement from our board on yesterday’s judgement.

You know they really could do themselves a massive favour in getting fans back onside by issuing a strongly worded statement calling for the issue of sporting integrity during the cheating years be looked at again by the authorities.

If they don’t mention it, it will be re-written to suit by the hun apologist media as if nothing ever happened.

We need a bit of fight here, to force the issue into the open. If we don’t it will only disappear after a week or so and anytime it is brought up it will be batted back down as some sort of Celtic myth.
They might wait to determine if an appeal is submitted. If no appeal is lodged and guilt is admitted - no laughing at the back-then we might see something but I doubt it.
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Kingslim
5 Nov 2015, 12:53 PM
dazabhoy67
5 Nov 2015, 12:37 PM
Still no statement from our board on yesterday’s judgement.

You know they really could do themselves a massive favour in getting fans back onside by issuing a strongly worded statement calling for the issue of sporting integrity during the cheating years be looked at again by the authorities.

If they don’t mention it, it will be re-written to suit by the hun apologist media as if nothing ever happened.

We need a bit of fight here, to force the issue into the open. If we don’t it will only disappear after a week or so and anytime it is brought up it will be batted back down as some sort of Celtic myth.
They might wait to determine if an appeal is submitted. If no appeal is lodged and guilt is admitted - no laughing at the back-then we might see something but I doubt it.
I very much doubt an appeal would be successfull, although I see your point.

Has there been any statement from the SFA on this? (Im in work and cant access a lot of sites)

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I doubt the board have the will to say anything meaningful.

Bet you they release a statement straight after I click add reply. :lol:
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As we all know the powers that be will bend over backwards rather than initiate any punitive action against Rangers(IL) for cheating their way to various titles and cups.
They don't like upsetting Scotland's Shame. Celtic, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Partick Jags, et al are a different kettle of fish.
It's one law for the rest of us and quite a different law for das bosche.
Celtic should not, imo, take any unilateral action. It could so easily be undermined on the basis that our protest amounts to nothing more than the grumblings of a former rival.
The only way the blazers can be squeezed into stripping these trophies - which is off-course the correct thing to do - is if the pressure to do so comes from clubs across the country. There needs to be a concerted and sustained approach so that the blazers are simply embarrassed out of their hidey hole and forced to do the right thing.
I think it should be fans' groups who should lead the charge and once the campaign gets up a head of steam, the boards of directors from other clubs can then show their hand.
Edited by Asgardstreasure, 5 Nov 2015, 01:31 PM.
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Kingslim
5 Nov 2015, 12:53 PM
dazabhoy67
5 Nov 2015, 12:37 PM
Still no statement from our board on yesterday’s judgement.

You know they really could do themselves a massive favour in getting fans back onside by issuing a strongly worded statement calling for the issue of sporting integrity during the cheating years be looked at again by the authorities.

If they don’t mention it, it will be re-written to suit by the hun apologist media as if nothing ever happened.

We need a bit of fight here, to force the issue into the open. If we don’t it will only disappear after a week or so and anytime it is brought up it will be batted back down as some sort of Celtic myth.
They might wait to determine if an appeal is submitted. If no appeal is lodged and guilt is admitted - no laughing at the back-then we might see something but I doubt it.
Agree with this, had been thinking along those lines though I'm a little more hopeful we will hear something from the club at the end of proceedings.
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dazabhoy67
5 Nov 2015, 12:37 PM
Still no statement from our board on yesterday’s judgement.

You know they really could do themselves a massive favour in getting fans back onside by issuing a strongly worded statement calling for the issue of sporting integrity during the cheating years be looked at again by the authorities.

If they don’t mention it, it will be re-written to suit by the hun apologist media as if nothing ever happened.

We need a bit of fight here, to force the issue into the open. If we don’t it will only disappear after a week or so and anytime it is brought up it will be batted back down as some sort of Celtic myth.
I feel that the only way the club (might) take action is if every Celtic fan / supporter urges them to do so.
Whether it works or not is a different matter but I've already tweeted the official club twitter account and at the weekend will actually write an old fashioned letter. Nothing elaborate but enough to get the message through that I was a season ticket holder throughout and beyond the EBT period and am still a regular match goer. I wont be making any threats but want to get the point across that they should be speaking out on my behalf on the issue.
Personally I think that only if each Celtic fan takes the effort to do something on an individual basis, rather than a petition etc, will the club feel it has to speak up.
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I'm hoping the club are getting tooled up with the best lawyers going. We were robbed out of tens of millions of pounds and the fans were put through the wringer on a few occasions at least. To not say anything in regards to this decision strikes me as poor leadership. They are the high level representatives of the club. If they do not say anything on this, they've let the fans down far worse than any bad transfer window.
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I seriously doubt if we'll see any sort of official statement from Celtic on this.

The fans may want to see Deidco/Zombie FC punished and/or humiliated for their blatant cheating, but there is nothing to be gained by the club in going down this road.

If the club were to initiate calls for Deidco to be stripped of titles it would just increase the division between the supports and would be seen as just petty infighting between us and the unwashed by the rest of the world....no big deal some might say, but it could have a very real impact on our ability to attract sponsorship and investment if we are portrayed as a club mired in an ugly (and sectarian in most outsider's perception unfortunately) rivalry with whatever incarnation of Zombie FC is currently active.

Besides, lets be honest....the men that run our club want some sort of incarnation of the huns back in the top league as soon as possible - we're dominant in the domestic arena without them, but still the support is bored and in decline even with the challenge of a decent-ish Abredeen side to keep us on our toes.

I'm sure the decision makers at the club would be as happy as the rest of us if the huns were gone forever and we had a new and healthier rivalry with someone else to keep us interested and coming through the turnstiles...but it doesn't look like that scenario can happen, therefore they long for the resumption of the only rivalry we're going to get that helps them sell tickets, merchandise and media rights to the games.
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randombloke
5 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
I seriously doubt if we'll see any sort of official statement from Celtic on this.

The fans may want to see Deidco/Zombie FC punished and/or humiliated for their blatant cheating, but there is nothing to be gained by the club in going down this road.

If the club were to initiate calls for Deidco to be stripped of titles it would just increase the division between the supports and would be seen as just petty infighting between us and the unwashed by the rest of the world....no big deal some might say, but it could have a very real impact on our ability to attract sponsorship and investment if we are portrayed as a club mired in an ugly (and sectarian in most outsider's perception unfortunately) rivalry with whatever incarnation of Zombie FC is currently active.

Besides, lets be honest....the men that run our club want some sort of incarnation of the huns back in the top league as soon as possible - we're dominant in the domestic arena without them, but still the support is bored and in decline even with the challenge of a decent-ish Abredeen side to keep us on our toes.

I'm sure the decision makers at the club would be as happy as the rest of us if the huns were gone forever and we had a new and healthier rivalry with someone else to keep us interested and coming through the turnstiles...but it doesn't look like that scenario can happen, therefore they long for the resumption of the only rivalry we're going to get that helps them sell tickets, merchandise and media rights to the games.
Seriously? We'd risk sponsor deals if we asked questions of our governing body? :lol:

The club risks further alienating itself from the support if they are seen to not make some sort of statement on this. The club missed out on potential revenue and honours due to what happened, they have every right to make a statement and ask questions.

The fact it will probably have to come down to clubs and/or fans to put pressure on the SFA/SPFL tells you everything about the game in this country.
Edited by Greenock_Celt, 5 Nov 2015, 03:41 PM.
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Whilst the Celtic Board are a different breed entirely to anything seen at Ibrox this past 30 years, I would still not trust them to do anything that pleases the support unless there was a profit in it.. A point of principle? Not a chance.
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cautious dave
5 Nov 2015, 01:43 PM
dazabhoy67
5 Nov 2015, 12:37 PM
Still no statement from our board on yesterday’s judgement.

You know they really could do themselves a massive favour in getting fans back onside by issuing a strongly worded statement calling for the issue of sporting integrity during the cheating years be looked at again by the authorities.

If they don’t mention it, it will be re-written to suit by the hun apologist media as if nothing ever happened.

We need a bit of fight here, to force the issue into the open. If we don’t it will only disappear after a week or so and anytime it is brought up it will be batted back down as some sort of Celtic myth.
I feel that the only way the club (might) take action is if every Celtic fan / supporter urges them to do so.
Whether it works or not is a different matter but I've already tweeted the official club twitter account and at the weekend will actually write an old fashioned letter. Nothing elaborate but enough to get the message through that I was a season ticket holder throughout and beyond the EBT period and am still a regular match goer. I wont be making any threats but want to get the point across that they should be speaking out on my behalf on the issue.
Personally I think that only if each Celtic fan takes the effort to do something on an individual basis, rather than a petition etc, will the club feel it has to speak up.
I'd like to see the likes of the Supporters Association and the Celtic Trust put pressure on the board to make a statement or at least acknowledge the fans disgust.
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Greenock_Celt
5 Nov 2015, 03:30 PM
randombloke
5 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
I seriously doubt if we'll see any sort of official statement from Celtic on this.

The fans may want to see Deidco/Zombie FC punished and/or humiliated for their blatant cheating, but there is nothing to be gained by the club in going down this road.

If the club were to initiate calls for Deidco to be stripped of titles it would just increase the division between the supports and would be seen as just petty infighting between us and the unwashed by the rest of the world....no big deal some might say, but it could have a very real impact on our ability to attract sponsorship and investment if we are portrayed as a club mired in an ugly (and sectarian in most outsider's perception unfortunately) rivalry with whatever incarnation of Zombie FC is currently active.

Besides, lets be honest....the men that run our club want some sort of incarnation of the huns back in the top league as soon as possible - we're dominant in the domestic arena without them, but still the support is bored and in decline even with the challenge of a decent-ish Abredeen side to keep us on our toes.

I'm sure the decision makers at the club would be as happy as the rest of us if the huns were gone forever and we had a new and healthier rivalry with someone else to keep us interested and coming through the turnstiles...but it doesn't look like that scenario can happen, therefore they long for the resumption of the only rivalry we're going to get that helps them sell tickets, merchandise and media rights to the games.
Seriously? We'd risk sponsor deals if we asked questions of our governing body? :lol:

The club risks further alienating itself from the support if they are seen to not make some sort of statement on this. The club missed out on potential revenue and honours due to what happened, they have every right to make a statement and ask questions.

The fact it will probably have to come down to clubs and/or fans to put pressure on the SFA/SPFL tells you everything about the game in this country.
Yes, we would.....as far as the rest of the world is concerned it would just be viewed as two playground bullies continuing their petty hatred of each other and I don't doubt a good few potential corporate sponsors or companies thinking of doing business with us would say "eff that, we're not getting involved with either side"


Celtic PLC is (whether the fans like it or not) trying to put forward the image of a modern club run on a sound business basis....anything that messes with that image and makes us look like we'd rather fight to the death with Deidco/Zombie FC than make money for our business partners will most definitely not be on the agenda.

At best the club will issue a bland statement making mention of the hope sporting integrity prevails and showing solidarity with the support, but no mention of doing anything about it.
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randombloke
5 Nov 2015, 04:04 PM
Greenock_Celt
5 Nov 2015, 03:30 PM
randombloke
5 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
I seriously doubt if we'll see any sort of official statement from Celtic on this.

The fans may want to see Deidco/Zombie FC punished and/or humiliated for their blatant cheating, but there is nothing to be gained by the club in going down this road.

If the club were to initiate calls for Deidco to be stripped of titles it would just increase the division between the supports and would be seen as just petty infighting between us and the unwashed by the rest of the world....no big deal some might say, but it could have a very real impact on our ability to attract sponsorship and investment if we are portrayed as a club mired in an ugly (and sectarian in most outsider's perception unfortunately) rivalry with whatever incarnation of Zombie FC is currently active.

Besides, lets be honest....the men that run our club want some sort of incarnation of the huns back in the top league as soon as possible - we're dominant in the domestic arena without them, but still the support is bored and in decline even with the challenge of a decent-ish Abredeen side to keep us on our toes.

I'm sure the decision makers at the club would be as happy as the rest of us if the huns were gone forever and we had a new and healthier rivalry with someone else to keep us interested and coming through the turnstiles...but it doesn't look like that scenario can happen, therefore they long for the resumption of the only rivalry we're going to get that helps them sell tickets, merchandise and media rights to the games.
Seriously? We'd risk sponsor deals if we asked questions of our governing body? :lol:

The club risks further alienating itself from the support if they are seen to not make some sort of statement on this. The club missed out on potential revenue and honours due to what happened, they have every right to make a statement and ask questions.

The fact it will probably have to come down to clubs and/or fans to put pressure on the SFA/SPFL tells you everything about the game in this country.
Yes, we would.....as far as the rest of the world is concerned it would just be viewed as two playground bullies continuing their petty hatred of each other and I don't doubt a good few potential corporate sponsors or companies thinking of doing business with us would say "eff that, we're not getting involved with either side"


Celtic PLC is (whether the fans like it or not) trying to put forward the image of a modern club run on a sound business basis....anything that messes with that image and makes us look like we'd rather fight to the death with Deidco/Zombie FC than make money for our business partners will most definitely not be on the agenda.

At best the club will issue a bland statement making mention of the hope sporting integrity prevails and showing solidarity with the support, but no mention of doing anything about it.
Celtic 'PLC' as I stated have potentially lost sagnificant revenue due to the action of a former club.

If the SFA/SPFL do not want to take anything to do with that then our board along the with boards of most/all other Scottish clubs should be asking them questions.

I'm not asking Lawwell to get into a war of words or a "fight to the death with Deidco/Zombie FC" it isn't them we need to be pressing for answers and actions.

The talk of sponsor revenue being at risk if we press the SFA over this is laughable.
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5 Nov 2015, 03:25 PM
I seriously doubt if we'll see any sort of official statement from Celtic on this.

The fans may want to see Deidco/Zombie FC punished and/or humiliated for their blatant cheating, but there is nothing to be gained by the club in going down this road.

If the club were to initiate calls for Deidco to be stripped of titles it would just increase the division between the supports and would be seen as just petty infighting between us and the unwashed by the rest of the world....no big deal some might say, but it could have a very real impact on our ability to attract sponsorship and investment if we are portrayed as a club mired in an ugly (and sectarian in most outsider's perception unfortunately) rivalry with whatever incarnation of Zombie FC is currently active.

Besides, lets be honest....the men that run our club want some sort of incarnation of the huns back in the top league as soon as possible - we're dominant in the domestic arena without them, but still the support is bored and in decline even with the challenge of a decent-ish Abredeen side to keep us on our toes.

I'm sure the decision makers at the club would be as happy as the rest of us if the huns were gone forever and we had a new and healthier rivalry with someone else to keep us interested and coming through the turnstiles...but it doesn't look like that scenario can happen, therefore they long for the resumption of the only rivalry we're going to get that helps them sell tickets, merchandise and media rights to the games.
What utter guff.

Sponsors are more likely to walk away if we do nothing. Who wants to be associated with a rigged league, where cheating and tax evasion is seen as acceptable?
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The Celtic board probably don't think it's worth the hassle trying to get 4/5 titles struck off the dead club's record.

Since 2000, we have effectively dominated Scottish football.

Rangers (IL) could only stay competitive by cheating Betty's Treasury of tens of millions and they ended up paying the ultimate price.

The new club - currently fronted by a 41-times convicted felon - has recently been struck off the LSE and had a 'going concern' warning listed in its accounts.
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5 Nov 2015, 05:02 PM
The Celtic board probably don't think it's worth the hassle trying to get 4/5 titles struck off the dead club's record.

Since 2000, we have effectively dominated Scottish football.

Rangers (IL) could only stay competitive by cheating Betty's Treasury of tens of millions and they ended up paying the ultimate price.

The new club - currently fronted by a 41-times convicted felon - has recently been struck off the LSE and had a 'going concern' warning listed in its accounts.
If they board think that way then they can jog the feck on.
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5 Nov 2015, 05:04 PM
adl
5 Nov 2015, 05:02 PM
The Celtic board probably don't think it's worth the hassle trying to get 4/5 titles struck off the dead club's record.

Since 2000, we have effectively dominated Scottish football.

Rangers (IL) could only stay competitive by cheating Betty's Treasury of tens of millions and they ended up paying the ultimate price.

The new club - currently fronted by a 41-times convicted felon - has recently been struck off the LSE and had a 'going concern' warning listed in its accounts.
If they board think that way then they can jog the feck on.
Is right.
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This was probably a more appropriate place to post my thoughts on Celtic making a statement in light of yesterdays developments. As I pointed out in the huns thread, people firstly need to ask themselves what yesterday's decision was all about. Did it prove Rangers broke the laws of the game? No, it didn't. That had already been established but was completely overlooked by some bizarre, twisted logic which was all about ensuring no one would upset Rangers. Yes, the Nimmo Smith inquiry used the fact EBTs schemes were legal to help the cover-up but you can rest assured that had the original trial found in HMRC's favour, Bryson would still have come to the same, ridiculous conclusion. Yesterday's decision was about breaching the laws of the land, not the laws of the game. It was already established in court from the very start that the side letters existed and that they promised remuneration. They were a second contract and as such every single recipient was improperly registered. The case was simple and straightforward but someone decided otherwise. Celtic had a chance at that stage to tear that ridiculous whitewash apart and instead it issued a glib, mealy mouthed statement which completely missed the target.
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