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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,803 Views)
remy mcswain
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Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:49 PM
Joe the Baker
22 Oct 2015, 11:45 PM
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22 Oct 2015, 11:43 PM

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Season book sales have fallen year on year for a while now. Next year will be no different.

The shortfall will be compensated for slightly by whacking another £50 on the price of a book.
What was the fall this year? Or the year before? Or the year before that?
As they no longer publish ST sales, no-one bar the board know. Having said that, Mikey89 did say they were down on last year at the start of the season. However, the total will now include £50 STs and there are thousands of them.
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Lawwell has got to get to eff.
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remy mcswain
22 Oct 2015, 11:54 PM
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22 Oct 2015, 11:49 PM
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22 Oct 2015, 11:45 PM

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What was the fall this year? Or the year before? Or the year before that?
As they no longer publish ST sales, no-one bar the board know. Having said that, Mikey89 did say they were down on last year at the start of the season. However, the total will now include £50 STs and there are thousands of them.
Well if you're going to make statements like that you probably should have facts to back it up.

I assumed he was ITK based on his statements.

He may yet back it up. Doubt it though.
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Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:59 PM
remy mcswain
22 Oct 2015, 11:54 PM
Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:49 PM

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As they no longer publish ST sales, no-one bar the board know. Having said that, Mikey89 did say they were down on last year at the start of the season. However, the total will now include £50 STs and there are thousands of them.
Well if you're going to make statements like that you probably should have facts to back it up.

I assumed he was ITK based on his statements.

He may yet back it up. Doubt it though.
I'm sure his eyes are working perfectly fine.
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Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:59 PM
remy mcswain
22 Oct 2015, 11:54 PM
Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:49 PM

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As they no longer publish ST sales, no-one bar the board know. Having said that, Mikey89 did say they were down on last year at the start of the season. However, the total will now include £50 STs and there are thousands of them.
Well if you're going to make statements like that you probably should have facts to back it up.

I assumed he was ITK based on his statements.

He may yet back it up. Doubt it though.
Oh it's you.

Again.

A few things, why do you think season book numbers are no longer published ? Had sales gone up this year rest assured we would have heard about it from Lawwell and co.
Secondly, this really isn't that difficult to figure out, our average attendance has dropped year on year for a while now. You think maybe, just maybe that would be affected by falling season book sales ?
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remy mcswain
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Well if you're going to make statements like that you probably should have facts to back it up.

I assumed he was ITK based on his statements.

He may yet back it up. Doubt it though.
I'm sure his eyes are working perfectly fine.
Eyes are valid tools when assessing players on here, stats are King. But eyes are valid tools when assessing support they are viable tools?

Lawwell has been at his highest level of carrot in the last couple years , season tickets have been relatively steady, European attendances have been pretty equal if not better and how have away ticket sales been? We sold out how many in a row?

Fans will keep buying, enough to justify the 'strategy'. As I stated originally the fans deserve the team that's on the park.
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I'm sure his eyes are working perfectly fine.
Eyes are valid tools when assessing players on here, stats are King. But eyes are valid tools when assessing support they are viable tools?

Lawwell has been at his highest level of carrot in the last couple years , season tickets have been relatively steady, European attendances have been pretty equal if not better and how have away ticket sales been? We sold out how many in a row?

Fans will keep buying, enough to justify the 'strategy'. As I stated originally the fans deserve the team that's on the park.
The numbers may be near enough the same, although we used to have 53k, but if you have gone from £400 to £50 your cash is down. That is a fact.

Away games - easy to get a ticket. Only one that will be struggles are Tynecastle and Pittodrie. That will change when their support realises they are still shampooe.
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Ron Swanson
23 Oct 2015, 12:05 AM
remy mcswain
23 Oct 2015, 12:00 AM
Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:59 PM

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I'm sure his eyes are working perfectly fine.
Eyes are valid tools when assessing players on here, stats are King. But eyes are valid tools when assessing support they are viable tools?

Lawwell has been at his highest level of carrot in the last couple years , season tickets have been relatively steady, European attendances have been pretty equal if not better and how have away ticket sales been? We sold out how many in a row?

Fans will keep buying, enough to justify the 'strategy'. As I stated originally the fans deserve the team that's on the park.
We sold out Inter last season, the rest of the Europa league attendance was pretty poor, top tier closed for the group stages.

A lot of away tickets are now finding themselves on a first come first served basis as people are not taking up their ballot.
We have dropped to one stand at Kilmarnock where we used to have two, Even Motherwell just down the road we used to have two stands.

I know these things because I'm ITK you see.
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Back to full price next year when the ersatz hun slithers it's way into the SPFL. Not that any carrot'll give a f*ck by that time...
Edited by shugmc, 23 Oct 2015, 12:16 AM.
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It's hard to find any logical reason why Lawwall should stay, his time is up.

As for the season ticket argument ' a club like no other ' y'know the banner that covers the empty seats?!
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remy mcswain
23 Oct 2015, 12:08 AM
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remy mcswain
23 Oct 2015, 12:00 AM

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Eyes are valid tools when assessing players on here, stats are King. But eyes are valid tools when assessing support they are viable tools?

Lawwell has been at his highest level of carrot in the last couple years , season tickets have been relatively steady, European attendances have been pretty equal if not better and how have away ticket sales been? We sold out how many in a row?

Fans will keep buying, enough to justify the 'strategy'. As I stated originally the fans deserve the team that's on the park.
The numbers may be near enough the same, although we used to have 53k, but if you have gone from £400 to £50 your cash is down. That is a fact.

Away games - easy to get a ticket. Only one that will be struggles are Tynecastle and Pittodrie. That will change when their support realises they are still shampooe.
We had sold out away consistently last season, despite the massive problems at board level and below.

Yet the so called hardcore support are happy to ignore every effing issue?

What chances of organising the fanbase when the 'hardcore' don't care?
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I fully expect Carlton Cole to be our next manager.
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It's become pretty obvious that Lawwell's/Desmond's only vision for Celtic was "try to be slightly better than Rangers"

That was an almost acceptable approach when Rangers were a reasonable standard of football club team.

It's now clear lawwell and Desmond have no idea how to cope in a Rangers-free world. They have no benchmark to work against and we've ended up with this bunch of overpaid journeymen, loan signings and kids.

By penny pinching and bad decisions they've missed a huge chance to get the club's finances secured for a generation when we were guaranteed the league title and a free run at champions league qualification for years on end.

It should be possible to build a team to achieve what this team has (grind out the league title, win a cup or two, and get badly out thought, out played and out muscled in europe) on a quarter of the wage bill that we currently have.

The rot at the club, as with any organisation, starts at the top. And that's where the clear out has to start.

Edit: rangers haven't been a decent standard of club for over 100 years
Edited by radar, 23 Oct 2015, 07:39 AM.
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mconway1888
23 Oct 2015, 12:19 AM
It's hard to find any logical reason why Lawwall should stay, his time is up.

As for the season ticket argument ' a club like no other ' y'know the banner that covers the empty seats?!
A half arsed statement to cover a series of monumental eff ups.
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Not renewing season tickets doesn't make any difference. If it did, he would have gone by now. They can blame it on a variety of factors, but the bottom line is the product isn't up to scratch, and the 'policy' the club (i.e. Lawwell) operates with increasing fanaticism is designed to 'manage' expectations - that is to see the club downsize to an acceptable level.

It's no longer a football club first and foremost, it's an exercise in marketing and accountancy.

If Lawwell was in charge in 2001, Larsson would have been off to Man Utd, Petrov would have been gone, and anyone else who could have brought in cash. There would be no Seville, none of those great memories to feed off. We would have got more of the spin that this was the environment were were in and it was the only responsible thing to do.

Under this board, the team on the pitch is not the primary focus. We are, to paraphrase, less than a football club.
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remy mcswain
22 Oct 2015, 11:54 PM
Ron Swanson
22 Oct 2015, 11:49 PM
Joe the Baker
22 Oct 2015, 11:45 PM

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What was the fall this year? Or the year before? Or the year before that?
As they no longer publish ST sales, no-one bar the board know. Having said that, Mikey89 did say they were down on last year at the start of the season. However, the total will now include £50 STs and there are thousands of them.
They are in the accounts, page 25.

Actually went up last in 2014. Last year we sold 40,472.
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Are they really banking on folk sanpping up ST if sevco get promoted? Dangerous game that.

I gave up my ST 2 years ago, the way the club is run I'm not going to be renewing anytime soon, doesn't matter if the bastard reincarnation huns came up, as I am so apathetic at the moment towards Celtic and I imagine quite a lot of fans are the same.
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23 Oct 2015, 11:11 AM
Are they really banking on folk sanpping up ST if sevco get promoted? Dangerous game that.

I gave up my ST 2 years ago, the way the club is run I'm not going to be renewing anytime soon, doesn't matter if the bastard reincarnation huns came up, as I am so apathetic at the moment towards Celtic and I imagine quite a lot of fans are the same.
Just watch the hype start from spring onwards. For the custodians we co-exist with them. We're the ying to their yang. That's why we need new custodians.

The opportunity we've blown over the past 3 years to move on from "old firm" is historic and won't come around again, sadly. We're locked in.
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What changes if Lawwell goes?

I'd imagine Desmond would just want to replace him with someone similar.

Depressing times right now.
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23 Oct 2015, 12:04 PM
What changes if Lawwell goes?

I'd imagine Desmond would just want to replace him with someone similar.

Depressing times right now.
DD says we're better than last season and I'm sure he'll turn up at the AGM on the 20th Nov to tell us why and how he's looking forward to the return of Deidco next season. :nono:

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