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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,811 Views) | |
| Dannybhoy95 | 1 Oct 2015, 11:32 AM Post #4221 |
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Champions Again Olé, Olé
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Am I right in saying Lawwell makes more than any PL club chief exec out-with your Chelsea, Man City type clubs? |
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| Adam Smith 11 | 1 Oct 2015, 11:33 AM Post #4222 |
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Contract up for renewal, now on a diet and trying harder.
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In business terms though wages are just a resource the same as materials and overheads. The ratio of these resources may dictate how much time a CEO would devote to each resource, it does not change the fact that we are a low profit SME with the potential of a big payday. Reasons I can think of for over inflated CEO wage: Football is part of celebrity world and drives a celebrity premium. Hierarchy determines that the guy at the top of the tree must be paid the more than everyone else ( your point ) PL has, in DD's eyes anyway, subject matter expertise and or unique skills in transfer negotiations. Access to photographs. Edited by Adam Smith 11, 1 Oct 2015, 11:34 AM.
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| Mackin | 1 Oct 2015, 11:44 AM Post #4223 |
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The Ginty McGinty genius
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The last time I checked he was paid more than the top 6 or 7 EPL CEOs. That was a couple of years ago though, and their payments may have increased with the increased TV deals etc. |
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| aldo | 1 Oct 2015, 12:15 PM Post #4224 |
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And that's the way we like it...
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Lawwell isn't employed as an accountant, he's the the CEO, the Top Man. He's the one who is supposed to guide and inspire his Directors as they strive to develop strategies which will assist the club achieve success on and off the park, but it's become as plain as the nose on your face that football 'success' is restricted to winning SPL "by just one point", to quote Desmond yesterday. That reality is set to continue until we come up against a domestic opponent who can match Celtic's spending power, and that is probably a few years away, so we're stuck with this raw deal until Lawwell either has an epiphany or is found out. I'm not hopeful of the epiphany, but he could well have his wings clipped if Ronny flops - Sevilliano has stated a number of times that would be the last straw for Desmond, who wanted Keane/Larrson/Arnold Palmer - or when there is no more family silver to flog to disguise CL failure. He'll get burned when the number of crap players we sign gets to the point that the few half decent ones we still have can't win points on their own, and when season ticket holders can't stomach the thought of taking the seat they have paid for, for other turgid 90 minutes. Rather than willing the manager to fail or stockpiling more sh ite players, I'd rather we direct protest at the guilty party in the only language he understands. Edited by aldo, 1 Oct 2015, 12:18 PM.
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| fatboab | 1 Oct 2015, 12:19 PM Post #4225 |
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Just before the Dawn
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where is the bold Sevilliano? He's usually all over this discussion.
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| Lobey Dosser | 1 Oct 2015, 12:23 PM Post #4226 |
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Considering retirement
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Given that the club is under the controlling influence of a highly successful, real world, billionaire, as is commonly allowed on here, why does he not ensure that the CEO's annual objectives include product performance as well as financial outcomes? Or does no one on the board care much so long as the numbers look good ? |
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| Terry | 1 Oct 2015, 12:29 PM Post #4227 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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I never thought much about Dermot Desmond. He was just someone who was there and I could have cared less if he was to stay or go. But when I read this morning that he thinks Celtic is a better team than this time last year I gotta think he needs to go with the men in the white coats. Is he losing his mind or does he think we have lost ours to believe such s***e. Suppose he thinks since PL gets away with it and some of the support sold their souls for a 'fist pump', he can get in on the act too |
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| bubba | 1 Oct 2015, 01:14 PM Post #4228 |
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Getting on a bit
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/29/premier-league-finances-club-by-club Last set of figures I could find. Some missing and it's a bit vague in places but it's pretty clear that even for a football club, lawwell is massively over paid for the size of the business |
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| Estadio nacional | 1 Oct 2015, 01:20 PM Post #4229 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Thats about it, no football ambition, no proper system to get young players in and develop and build upon success (our only real way to progress towards competing in CL), just ticking over staying just above local level. That 'win the league by one point' Aldo quoted above demonstrates what has been discussed here the past few months, if that's what DD has set football target at PL has an open goal to downsize and maximise his bonus. |
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| Tiny Tim | 1 Oct 2015, 01:30 PM Post #4230 |
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"a Premier League player in all but status"
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WHat if DD has a different definition of "product performance". |
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| Hoops For Me All The Way | 1 Oct 2015, 01:58 PM Post #4231 |
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You want equality? Consider if that person feels Equal.
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We are supposed to be a selling club. We have been told that often enough. Now however, we have no-one to sell next season, of any great value. I'm going to forget about Sevco, because we have been told by our Board that we can exist alone and they plan accordingly. We would get 2/3 home games against them with an extra 15,000- 20,000 at each game. (Which is not a big deal financially). If they do return, we will not have 55,000 approx season ticket holders. Eventually, we might get a better TV deal. However, there is a lot still to happen with Sevco, so we cannot assume they would be a permanent feature in the SPFL, or something else might happen. But as Desmond says, new technology might bring additional revenue and that is something that can be done without them. Our game is not about cheats and rewarding financial doping and breaking the laws of the land. It is about all the other teams who have cut their cloth and tried to budget properly and played to the rules. The board/ coaches and scouting team (maybe new scouts are required) need to plan over a 3 year period, staggering contracts. In addition, some signings need to immediately step into the playing team, for possible sale down the road. In tandem we sign development type players who can gain experience and step up once others are sold. There is no point selling a player then being held to ransom trying to buy another to replace him. It needs to be planned. Otherwise it is just a lottery and we can give up attempting to reaching CL Group Stages. The crowds will dwindle then. The concept is just to establish a rolling programme within the club. It's nothing new and something we have don to great effect in previous years. We can't rush out and buy 4/5/6 players in the summer and expect them to get us through the CL Qualifiers. You can't get them to gel or bed in or quickly form an effective system with others. Prices are also higher, as are wages. Winter transfer window is severely limited with certain types of player available. During this window, players generally have a problem with their club and the club are desperate to get rid of. We have discussed this for years. CL income is far too big for us to ignore and we have wasted 2 seasons, leading to reduced gates and less of a profile. Making it more difficult to attract players who we might develop and who might have aspirations to use us to move elsewhere. |
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| CELTBHOY1988 | 1 Oct 2015, 02:48 PM Post #4232 |
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Getting on a bit
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The only way things will change of we lose the league or look likely too. |
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| katlegend | 1 Oct 2015, 02:49 PM Post #4233 |
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First-team starter
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The absence of Sevco has been allowed to become a negative when in fact we should have benifited from it greatly. It should have been seen as greatly increased opportunities to qualify for the CL groups. Our gross mismanagement has cost us at least 2 years CL funds this time around & it cost us even more than that when we allowed a dying huns to win 3 successive titles after the infamous Willo Flood Window. We've had 2 successive seasons in the CL to build on along with the sales of Wanyama,Hooper, Forster & Matthews among others. We should now have a team easily capable of getting buy the likes of Legia,Maribor & Malmo. However the self inflicted damage of the last 3 disgraceful Summer Windows along with our cheap option managerial appointment leaves us in a very difficult situation now. The team is rubbish & all areas need strengthened. We also need to bring in a decent manager to oversee all this. Having missed out on the vital CL funds for the last two seasons & having no players of any quality left to sell now we would require to take on significant debt know to bring in the number of decent players that we undoubtably require. Meanwhile our CE is happily counting his bonuses despite his gross mismanagement. Edited by katlegend, 1 Oct 2015, 02:50 PM.
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| sevilliano | 1 Oct 2015, 02:51 PM Post #4234 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Jeez how did i miss this !! spending too much time with bleedin accountants The strategy is obviously right given the environment The issue is that in corporate BS mode DD is not an active value investor If he was he'd be going apeshampoo at the decline in value and the failure to better the environment So its the implementation of the policy and the failure at strategic level DD has been saying EPL for 20 years now and we're no closer and its damaging us (altho not PL) more His CEO should be doing the basics right at Celtic in creating value and if he doesn't get the downside of being booted for failure to get to cl for 5 out of last 7 years he shouldn't be getting upside of a remuneration package equivalent to those at top levels in EPL We are a football club and that needs to be at the core from quality of academy to quality of coaching to scouting to first team - on no basis do i see Celtic anywhere near the forefront - its muddling along selling players to the EPL and declining It should be relatively easy to alter the priorities of investment and given the power DD has to stick with this for a number of years - better youth development, better scouting, better coaches and ultimately the end produce will be better On a strategic level PL is king of the pygmies in the SFA and the SPFL and he should be applauded for how he has managed to get to pre-eminent position in scottish football - we as a club have never had so much power but that said Where is the British cup promised behind the scenes where are any innovative achemes for cross border tournaments - for the love of god Fergus appreciated 20 years ago that sometimes you have to challenge the status quo to deliver what we need Celtic is not a priority in DD's life altho there is no doubt from his investment to date there is a love of the club As others notably FB, Idyllwild and murphio have said the issue is the need for a new CEO - DD says in the 2010 interview EPL in 10 yrs - tis like an effin mantra but just saying it doesn;t make it so He also says drive and energy are the key to his success - whilst i may see that in RD (not sure on ability) i certainly don't see that in the CEO - i see complacency and not a little arrogance Time for a change DD |
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| QualityStreet1970 | 1 Oct 2015, 03:44 PM Post #4235 |
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First-team starter
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Superb post, sir. Perfectly sums up the "low-risk" strategy that could put us in a dangerous downward spiral. I'm trying to be positive here, and assuming that we're not already in the downward spiral... |
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| fatboab | 1 Oct 2015, 03:45 PM Post #4236 |
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Just before the Dawn
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Sevilliano.... ^^^^^^late , but welcome nonetheless
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| LoveCeltic | 1 Oct 2015, 03:50 PM Post #4237 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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Only one title? Agree its time for a new focus alongside a new CEO. |
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| LoveCeltic | 1 Oct 2015, 03:57 PM Post #4238 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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Mainly apathy with a few bordering on anger. I wish everyone would get angry though and then we might see some action against the board and some reaction from them. |
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| paulfg42 | 2 Oct 2015, 12:12 AM Post #4239 |
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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How's the 'strategic landscape' going to change? |
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| sevilliano | 2 Oct 2015, 06:46 AM Post #4240 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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You have to make it happen, agitate and use every weapon at your disposal It was only when we deployed QC v Sfa on regular basis that we took on the sfa and referees and succeeded in changing matters substantially Likewise on UK and euro football if we want change we've got to make it happen - apply to the effin northern conference or whatever in England, start a summer cup with holland Denmark Sweden and norway but do something |
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