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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,813 Views)
paulfg42
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 04:54 PM
Quiet Assasin
15 Sep 2015, 04:36 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:16 PM

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FB specifically mentioned the Chairman, not Ian Livingston.
"The rest" includes Ian livingstone
Does he and the rest of the board sit watching games and approve of what they're seeing?
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Quiet Assasin
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 04:54 PM
Quiet Assasin
15 Sep 2015, 04:36 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:16 PM

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FB specifically mentioned the Chairman, not Ian Livingston.
"The rest" includes Ian livingstone
You replied to Fatboab's post about the Chairman and started going on about Ian Livingston.
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Adam Smith 11
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paulfg42
15 Sep 2015, 09:08 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 04:54 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 04:36 PM

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"The rest" includes Ian livingstone
Does he and the rest of the board sit watching games and approve of what they're seeing?
Like most of us they were probably ok with it up to the last minute of the Malmo home tie.
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 15 Sep 2015, 10:06 PM.
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sevilliano
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:07 PM
sevilliano
15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
You do actually know who's on the board and what they do for a living? You've built yourself quite a little fantasy where our board of directors are scared to stand up to peter lawwell. It's mental
It may be mental to you but many many people have sat in Celtic plc board meetings and watched these masters of the universe at work - likewise many on here have met a majority of all of them over the last 20 yrs - a minority of them put the degree of scrutiny into their non-exec roles that you would expect

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Mackin
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Ian Livingston.

A tory lord who will spend a maximum of 1.5 days a month thinking about Celtic. He'll be happy picking up his £50k a year and as long as the accounts as sufficiently audited he wont give a eff about anything else.
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Why do people think we're downizing?
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ChiliPepper
17 Sep 2015, 02:11 PM
Why do people think we're downizing?
'tis a mystery.
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Mackin
16 Sep 2015, 08:24 AM
Ian Livingston.

A tory lord who will spend a maximum of 1.5 days a month thinking about Celtic. He'll be happy picking up his £50k a year and as long as the accounts as sufficiently audited he wont give a eff about anything else.
:thumbsup: In one.
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Scunnering to hear Desmond still fantasizing about his dream move to the EPL, 'rangers and Celtic would be great there,' :nono: his only ambition for the club, get to the EPL, sell club and get the profit he is after.

He has talked before about his ambition was 'to have the club independently stable and making profit so they were attractive to the EPL.' a pipe dream and turning a profit isnt exactly the thing EPL clubs would be stipulating for entry.

A Youtube of him at a Q&A 2010, stating his ambition. Celtic question from 3.00 in.



When asked if he saw Celtic winning a European Trophy he said yes, bet on it, as long as bet was placed with his betting company, a joke but shows his football ambitions.


Need to get rid of this bandit. A fan take over similar to the one suggested on CU podcast a few years ago would be ideal and probably the only way to get him out. But would no doubt be after the kind of profit an EPL move would get him.
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You'll find he's very rich therefore he is a good guy and he knows more than us.

:nono:
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DD has no interest in Celtic. I thought his chat was a bit embarrassing yesterday.
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Strange that the man with the whiskers has reappeared banging the EPL drum again, coupled with Paul67's article on CQN. I don't see it happening any time soon.
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A fan buyout ain't gonna happen. We had the chance and didn't take it.

So the club is going to be owned by an individual or small controlling group. Accepting that to be correct, then DD is pretty much the ideal owner. Someone who is largely hands-off (golf course managerial appointments notwithstanding), and who gives the CEO a remit of not making a significant loss. And that's it.

Our issue isn't DD, it's how PL manages the operations of the club.
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Estadio nacional
1 Oct 2015, 06:50 AM
Scunnering to hear Desmond still fantasizing about his dream move to the EPL, 'rangers and Celtic would be great there,' :nono: his only ambition for the club, get to the EPL, sell club and get the profit he is after.

He has talked before about his ambition was 'to have the club independently stable and making profit so they were attractive to the EPL.' a pipe dream and turning a profit isnt exactly the thing EPL clubs would be stipulating for entry.

A Youtube of him at a Q&A 2010, stating his ambition. Celtic question from 3.00 in.



When asked if he saw Celtic winning a European Trophy he said yes, bet on it, as long as bet was placed with his betting company, a joke but shows his football ambitions.


Need to get rid of this bandit. A fan take over similar to the one suggested on CU podcast a few years ago would be ideal and probably the only way to get him out. But would no doubt be after the kind of profit an EPL move would get him.
This brings us onto a serious point. We can only speculate as to what DD's "succession planning" might be. However, for all his various positive and negative attributes, there's no guarantee that whoever takes over will be better, and every risk that they could be much worse.

The timing of this is presently in his hands. Will he sell? Will he bequeath his share in the club to his descendents - and what might they want to do with it?

If we, as a support, are serious about fan ownership, then we must initiate this process, sooner rather than later. We need to put in place a structure and a plan as well as an ability to do the serious raising of the significant funds that will be necessary to pay DD for his shareholding.





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idyllwild
1 Oct 2015, 08:34 AM
A fan buyout ain't gonna happen. We had the chance and didn't take it.

So the club is going to be owned by an individual or small controlling group. Accepting that to be correct, then DD is pretty much the ideal owner. Someone who is largely hands-off (golf course managerial appointments notwithstanding), and who gives the CEO a remit of not making a significant loss. And that's it.

Our issue isn't DD, it's how PL manages the operations of the club.
The operations are managed according what Desmond wants for the club. No point complaining about Lawwell earning his salary and bonuses, when the prioprities and targets he hits are set by Desmond.
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idyllwild
1 Oct 2015, 08:34 AM
Our issue isn't DD, it's how PL manages the operations of the club.
DD is ultimately responsible for keeping Lawwell in situ though. If he were more hands on then perhaps he wouldn't be so blind in regards to how much of a malaise is engulfing the support under Lawwell's management. You're right; the problem is Lawwell but DD is the person who should be rectifying that problem.
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Tiny Tim
1 Oct 2015, 08:55 AM
idyllwild
1 Oct 2015, 08:34 AM
A fan buyout ain't gonna happen. We had the chance and didn't take it.

So the club is going to be owned by an individual or small controlling group. Accepting that to be correct, then DD is pretty much the ideal owner. Someone who is largely hands-off (golf course managerial appointments notwithstanding), and who gives the CEO a remit of not making a significant loss. And that's it.

Our issue isn't DD, it's how PL manages the operations of the club.
The operations are managed according what Desmond wants for the club. No point complaining about Lawwell earning his salary and bonuses, when the prioprities and targets he hits are set by Desmond.
The detail of the operations are decided by PL. DD doesn't give a feck how it is run, as long as we don't make a significant loss.

He's guilty of not holding his CEO accountable as murphio says, and that is the one downside of having a hands-off owner.

I wouldn't be in a rush to replace DD with another owner or group though, unless it actually was a supporter buyout.
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I think the EPL stuff shows how out of touch he's become. We aren't an attractive proposition for that league, not to mention we'd struggle to have any success in it.

As bad as things are now, at least we have the possibility of winning some trophies. The financial climate has changes so much over the past few years that, IMO, we'd be lucky to get much higher than mid-table. That really would be soul destroying.
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idyllwild
1 Oct 2015, 08:34 AM
A fan buyout ain't gonna happen. We had the chance and didn't take it.

So the club is going to be owned by an individual or small controlling group. Accepting that to be correct, then DD is pretty much the ideal owner. Someone who is largely hands-off (golf course managerial appointments notwithstanding), and who gives the CEO a remit of not making a significant loss. And that's it.

Our issue isn't DD, it's how PL manages the operations of the club.
:thumbsup:

Short of finding someone who is prepared to speculate tens of millions of their own cash I can't imagine anything better than the current ownership structure.

Strategically we are victims of circumstance at this moment, only the aforementioned sugar daddy or a move to a bigger league will change that.

Tactically we are probably fair to middling (taking a 3-4 year average view as opposed to the last year) and I assume that PL will be asked to continue the steady ship approach that awaits the strategic map changing. The main gripe is if a CEO is being asked to do s steady Eddie job why are they being paid high flying remuneration while we seem to be scrimping on the coaching staff that could allow us to punch above our weight.

I think DD looks at the deals we got over the past few years for players and gives credit for a few million of this to PL's negotiating skills therefore justifying that he is getting him for nothing, if this is indeed his thinking then he has no stimulus to think of changing this safe pair of hands unless fans stop showing up at a certain level.

At a business level DD/the board are making the right decisions, we are a low risk business with no cash calls and a possible big payday ahead. What is not to like? If I was advising this business I would tell them to continue as is.

As a fan though it is awful. Without a less awful plan though what to do?


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idyllwild
1 Oct 2015, 08:34 AM
A fan buyout ain't gonna happen. We had the chance and didn't take it.

So the club is going to be owned by an individual or small controlling group. Accepting that to be correct, then DD is pretty much the ideal owner. Someone who is largely hands-off (golf course managerial appointments notwithstanding), and who gives the CEO a remit of not making a significant loss. And that's it.

Our issue isn't DD, it's how PL manages the operations of the club.
It's both, PL gets his remit and sponsoring from Desmond.
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