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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,005 Views)
Stringer Bell
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We seem to have part of the business model working pretty well. Turning Wanyama, Ki etc and likely Forster at such a profit is exactly what we should be doing.
The problem is we aren't replacing them adequately.
I always assumed this business model would help us grow. It's not.
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Fogsy Bhoy
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remy mcswain
30 Jul 2014, 10:09 PM

It can't be true that Deila is on less wages than Tony Watt was can it?
Where did you hear this from ?
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Stringer Bell
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM
We seem to have part of the business model working pretty well. Turning Wanyama, Ki etc and likely Forster at such a profit is exactly what we should be doing.
The problem is we aren't replacing them adequately.
I always assumed this business model would help us grow. It's not.
Aye, and it was sold to the support in those terms. We would take the profits and reinvest in the team and strengthen window on window, year on year. Its not happened like that. They have weakened us year on year and the successes we are signing are getting fewer so we'll no be selling them on for a profit. When that stops what happens then?
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Stringer Bell
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM
We seem to have part of the business model working pretty well. Turning Wanyama, Ki etc and likely Forster at such a profit is exactly what we should be doing.
The problem is we aren't replacing them adequately.
I always assumed this business model would help us grow. It's not.
(1) Buy someone for 1m, (2) sell them for 10m. (3) Spend 5m replacing them. Excellent business model.

We're not doing part 3.
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remy mcswain
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Fogsy Bhoy
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM
remy mcswain
30 Jul 2014, 10:09 PM

It can't be true that Deila is on less wages than Tony Watt was can it?
Where did you hear this from ?
I was told that our packet of three, Deila, Collins and Kennedy, were on an aggregate of around £400k (before bonuses).

I can well believe it.
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ChristyMoore
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remy mcswain
30 Jul 2014, 11:35 PM
Fogsy Bhoy
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM
remy mcswain
30 Jul 2014, 10:09 PM

It can't be true that Deila is on less wages than Tony Watt was can it?
Where did you hear this from ?
I was told that our packet of three, Deila, Collins and Kennedy, were on an aggregate of around £400k (before bonuses).

I can well believe it.
If he's getting paid less than Watt, he is getting paid less than Twardzik and about same as Paul George. :o :lol:
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Wanyerma
30 Jul 2014, 11:34 PM
(1) Buy someone for 1m, (2) sell them for 10m. (3) Spend 5m replacing them. Excellent business model.

We're not doing part 3.
'Course it is.

Folk would loose their shampoo if we spent anything like that on a replacement, though.
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Stringer Bell
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Wanyerma
30 Jul 2014, 11:34 PM
Stringer Bell
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM
We seem to have part of the business model working pretty well. Turning Wanyama, Ki etc and likely Forster at such a profit is exactly what we should be doing.
The problem is we aren't replacing them adequately.
I always assumed this business model would help us grow. It's not.
(1) Buy someone for 1m, (2) sell them for 10m. (3) Spend 5m replacing them. Excellent business model.

We're not doing part 3.
Exactly. Even if we spent £3m replacing them to cover the sums we, inevitably, waste, then fair enough. Bringing in a raft of projects, turning a few for good money, banking it and bringing in more projects really isn't a business model.
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brianlara67
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I as talking to a friend of mine last month. He's a Bristol Rovers fan and a Sevco fan (his wife is Scottish and a Sevco fan) and I was telling him about the money Celtic made through 2 years of CL money and profit on player trades and how we had net cash at the bank instead of debt. He made a very good point that in principle a football club should not have that as it was taking money away from the football operation. Every penny that can be invested in the football team should be invested in the team, otherwise you are just cheating the fans.

Boy is that relevant after tonight's result. SPLOB have been rolling the dice for years now and tonight they didn't come up. We've made the CL in the past 2 seasons by the skin of our teeth and with some favourable draws. Our luck had to run out sometime.

As has been pointed out to go into vital CL qualifiers without spending a penny on the team is not only shameful, it's down right criminal when you think that we have a new manager who has been given diddly squat to spend. I said a few weeks ago that this transfer window was embarrassing and I got shot down in flames by a few posters, Do you still think I was wrong?

At least SPLOB will get his full bonus this year if one of his measures is net player trade profit. Enjoy it Peter. The package you earn in relation to Company turnover is a disgrace.
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brianlara67
30 Jul 2014, 11:53 PM
I as talking to a friend of mine last month. He's a Bristol Rovers fan and a Sevco fan (his wife is Scottish and a Sevco fan) and I was telling him about the money Celtic made through 2 years of CL money and profit on player trades and how we had net cash at the bank instead of debt. He made a very good point that in principle a football club should not have that as it was taking money away from the football operation. Every penny that can be invested in the football team should be invested in the team, otherwise you are just cheating the fans.

Boy is that relevant after tonight's result. SPLOB have been rolling the dice for years now and tonight they didn't come up. We've made the CL in the past 2 seasons by the skin of our teeth and with some favourable draws. Our luck had to run out sometime.

As has been pointed out to go into vital CL qualifiers without spending a penny on the team is not only shameful, it's down right criminal when you think that we have a new manager who has been given diddly squat to spend. I said a few weeks ago that this transfer window was embarrassing and I got shot down in flames by a few posters, Do you still think I was wrong?

At least SPLOB will get his full bonus this year if one of his measures is net player trade profit. Enjoy it Peter. The package you earn in relation to Company turnover is a disgrace.
:potm: :thumbsup: Bang on mate.
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Wanyerma
30 Jul 2014, 11:34 PM
Stringer Bell
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM
We seem to have part of the business model working pretty well. Turning Wanyama, Ki etc and likely Forster at such a profit is exactly what we should be doing.
The problem is we aren't replacing them adequately.
I always assumed this business model would help us grow. It's not.
(1) Buy someone for 1m, (2) sell them for 10m. (3) Spend 5m replacing them. Excellent business model.

We're not doing part 3.
But it isn't as simple as that. A £1m player commands a salary commensurate with a £1m player. A £5m player requires a salary appropriate to that.

It's not just about transfer fee, it's wages.

Edited by dansyerman, 31 Jul 2014, 12:39 AM.
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The question is, how do we get rid off lawell? Vote with our feet?
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Shane90
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kewlcelt
31 Jul 2014, 12:04 AM
brianlara67
30 Jul 2014, 11:53 PM
I as talking to a friend of mine last month. He's a Bristol Rovers fan and a Sevco fan (his wife is Scottish and a Sevco fan) and I was telling him about the money Celtic made through 2 years of CL money and profit on player trades and how we had net cash at the bank instead of debt. He made a very good point that in principle a football club should not have that as it was taking money away from the football operation. Every penny that can be invested in the football team should be invested in the team, otherwise you are just cheating the fans.

Boy is that relevant after tonight's result. SPLOB have been rolling the dice for years now and tonight they didn't come up. We've made the CL in the past 2 seasons by the skin of our teeth and with some favourable draws. Our luck had to run out sometime.

As has been pointed out to go into vital CL qualifiers without spending a penny on the team is not only shameful, it's down right criminal when you think that we have a new manager who has been given diddly squat to spend. I said a few weeks ago that this transfer window was embarrassing and I got shot down in flames by a few posters, Do you still think I was wrong?

At least SPLOB will get his full bonus this year if one of his measures is net player trade profit. Enjoy it Peter. The package you earn in relation to Company turnover is a disgrace.
:potm: :thumbsup: Bang on mate.
100% agree with this.

Fully aware that as a club we have to live within our means but I feel patronised at times with that sort of display.

Pete should remember that as well as being 'more than a club' we are also more than a business.
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Shane90
31 Jul 2014, 12:16 AM
kewlcelt
31 Jul 2014, 12:04 AM
brianlara67
30 Jul 2014, 11:53 PM
I as talking to a friend of mine last month. He's a Bristol Rovers fan and a Sevco fan (his wife is Scottish and a Sevco fan) and I was telling him about the money Celtic made through 2 years of CL money and profit on player trades and how we had net cash at the bank instead of debt. He made a very good point that in principle a football club should not have that as it was taking money away from the football operation. Every penny that can be invested in the football team should be invested in the team, otherwise you are just cheating the fans.

Boy is that relevant after tonight's result. SPLOB have been rolling the dice for years now and tonight they didn't come up. We've made the CL in the past 2 seasons by the skin of our teeth and with some favourable draws. Our luck had to run out sometime.

As has been pointed out to go into vital CL qualifiers without spending a penny on the team is not only shameful, it's down right criminal when you think that we have a new manager who has been given diddly squat to spend. I said a few weeks ago that this transfer window was embarrassing and I got shot down in flames by a few posters, Do you still think I was wrong?

At least SPLOB will get his full bonus this year if one of his measures is net player trade profit. Enjoy it Peter. The package you earn in relation to Company turnover is a disgrace.
:potm: :thumbsup: Bang on mate.
100% agree with this.

Fully aware that as a club we have to live within our means but I feel patronised at times with that sort of display.

Pete should remember that as well as being 'more than a club' we are also more than a business.
:thumbsup: spot on
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I cant remember us ever bringing in as much money in transfers as the last couple of years yet we don't re-invest to get us into the CL.

Even if we spunked 4 or 5 mil on a great player and failed to qualify we'd still be in great shape, probably sell a VVD or a Forster but that's going to happen anyway.

The depressing thing is there doesn't seem to be any signs that we're going to try and improve.
Edited by Tonus, 31 Jul 2014, 12:24 AM.
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Wee Ed KTF
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brianlara67
30 Jul 2014, 11:53 PM
I as talking to a friend of mine last month. He's a Bristol Rovers fan and a Sevco fan (his wife is Scottish and a Sevco fan) and I was telling him about the money Celtic made through 2 years of CL money and profit on player trades and how we had net cash at the bank instead of debt. He made a very good point that in principle a football club should not have that as it was taking money away from the football operation. Every penny that can be invested in the football team should be invested in the team, otherwise you are just cheating the fans.

Boy is that relevant after tonight's result. SPLOB have been rolling the dice for years now and tonight they didn't come up. We've made the CL in the past 2 seasons by the skin of our teeth and with some favourable draws. Our luck had to run out sometime.

As has been pointed out to go into vital CL qualifiers without spending a penny on the team is not only shameful, it's down right criminal when you think that we have a new manager who has been given diddly squat to spend. I said a few weeks ago that this transfer window was embarrassing and I got shot down in flames by a few posters, Do you still think I was wrong?

At least SPLOB will get his full bonus this year if one of his measures is net player trade profit. Enjoy it Peter. The package you earn in relation to Company turnover is a disgrace.
Agree

Deila made some horrendous errors tonight. The players were atrocious.

However, Deila should not have been appointed as Celtic Coach. He was the cheap candidate and not the best candidate. The first team was not enhanced via the transfer market.

Most of the blame lies with Peter Lawwell and a Board that has allowed him to act as Director Of Football, a job he's totally unqualified for (though fancies himself at).
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Shane90
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ChristyMoore
30 Jul 2014, 11:37 PM
remy mcswain
30 Jul 2014, 11:35 PM
Fogsy Bhoy
30 Jul 2014, 11:29 PM

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I was told that our packet of three, Deila, Collins and Kennedy, were on an aggregate of around £400k (before bonuses).

I can well believe it.
If he's getting paid less than Watt, he is getting paid less than Twardzik and about same as Paul George. :o :lol:
If true how can he possibly demand r0the respect of some of the superstars in the dressing room?
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caigiebhoys brother
31 Jul 2014, 12:14 AM
The question is, how do we get rid off lawell? Vote with our feet?
Buy all of Dermot Desmond's shares.
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Shane90
31 Jul 2014, 12:33 AM
ChristyMoore
30 Jul 2014, 11:37 PM
remy mcswain
30 Jul 2014, 11:35 PM

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If he's getting paid less than Watt, he is getting paid less than Twardzik and about same as Paul George. :o :lol:
If true how can he possibly demand r0the respect of some of the superstars in the dressing room?
LOLZ.
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Wee Ed KTF
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31 Jul 2014, 12:42 AM
caigiebhoys brother
31 Jul 2014, 12:14 AM
The question is, how do we get rid off lawell? Vote with our feet?
Buy all of Dermot Desmond's shares.
Yep.

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