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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,814 Views)
remy mcswain
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stibhan
15 Sep 2015, 01:46 PM
Is there any chance that someone would draft a similar letter which could be signed by a number of people?

I have a serious problem with two strands of the (many-stranded) Celtic support which are often in direct opposition: the 'happy-clappers' who are actually much more complex than that title allows, since they are usually very passionate and dedicated followers who just believe, wrongly, that the board have done a good job. Then there's people who complain about the board all the time but, apathetically, feel as if they are powerful to resist them.

Which is basically to say that I think if people actually cared about this, rather than deciding not to go to matches, they could be a bit more vocal in their opposition.
They need the supporters' reps to turn on them.

Some of them like their tea and biscuits too much.
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 12:50 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 10:32 AM
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15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM

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I'll certainly ask the question.

It's curious that our Chairman, who is an extremely successful and progressive businessman, and who went into the Celtic job with his eyes open as to what the biggest issue was ( ie Lawwell), very quickly became a believer in the current set up.
you know there is an alternative viewpoint to what now seems to be a cast iron truism on here now. I'd wager that him and the rest of the board don't and never have seen peter lawwell as being the "biggest issue" and as successful businessmen with a uniquely informed position about the challenges that face Celtic they understand what a difficult job he has to do, not least because of what he must face in a daily basis from our support.

its pretty ludicrous to suggest that someone like Ian livingstone, for example, would sit by and not do anything while the CEO of a company on who's board he sits is the "main issue" to the growth and success of the business. It's nuts

The Word of DD is The Law(well) at CP.

PL does DD's bidding. The rest are self-entitled onlookers, providing window dressing in a simulacrum of corporate governance.
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15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
You do actually know who's on the board and what they do for a living? You've built yourself quite a little fantasy where our board of directors are scared to stand up to peter lawwell. It's mental
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15 Sep 2015, 01:52 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 12:50 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 10:32 AM

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you know there is an alternative viewpoint to what now seems to be a cast iron truism on here now. I'd wager that him and the rest of the board don't and never have seen peter lawwell as being the "biggest issue" and as successful businessmen with a uniquely informed position about the challenges that face Celtic they understand what a difficult job he has to do, not least because of what he must face in a daily basis from our support.

its pretty ludicrous to suggest that someone like Ian livingstone, for example, would sit by and not do anything while the CEO of a company on who's board he sits is the "main issue" to the growth and success of the business. It's nuts

The Word of DD is The Law(well) at CP.

PL does DD's bidding. The rest are self-entitled onlookers, providing window dressing in a simulacrum of corporate governance.
Ian livingstone? Really?
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There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
But you are either close to it or giving the impression you are.

Either way your posts on the subject are so one-note as to be absolutely irrelevant. Whatever the scenario being discussed you then work out how you can back the board and Lawwell on it.

You ask for balance yet provide none.
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
If they were really applying proper scrutiny & governance PL's performance would have seen him binned by a truly vigilant board a long time since.

Some people on here do know some of the board players, and close planets of the club.

One of the most important men in the history of the club, and a highly successful businessman to boot, told me a while ago that DD's voivce was the only one that mattered at CP.

Another high-achiever in business, with impeccable contacts at the club, was adamant that PL's only KPI was to ensure that DD did not have to shell out a penny for Celtic.

For that he gets his £1m pa.

Accountants should never be CEs at football clubs, unless they are someone else's tool. As in our case.
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Good luck with the letter. I wrote to Tommy Burns 20 years ago asking why he was persisting with Gordon Marshall and despite the lovely reply, he still did...
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We've been downsizing since Seville and we have, for the most part, sat idly by. Everything about the club screams amatuer at the moment. Time for a change :boxer:
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15 Sep 2015, 02:53 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
But you are either close to it or giving the impression you are.

Either way your posts on the subject are so one-note as to be absolutely irrelevant. Whatever the scenario being discussed you then work out how you can back the board and Lawwell on it.

You ask for balance yet provide none.
That must echo many poster's thoughts BP, well said.
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Bobby Peru
15 Sep 2015, 02:53 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
But you are either close to it or giving the impression you are.

Either way your posts on the subject are so one-note as to be absolutely irrelevant. Whatever the scenario being discussed you then work out how you can back the board and Lawwell on it.

You ask for balance yet provide none.
you're digging me up for one-note posts on here? And for lack of balance on this thread? Have you actually read it?

There's no balance in this thread at all, just poorly informed attacks based on nothing more than guess work about what actually happens in the boardroom at Celtic.

You make a good point though, the mass hysteria on this thread does make kds seem pretty irrelevant



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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:16 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 01:52 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 12:50 PM

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The Word of DD is The Law(well) at CP.

PL does DD's bidding. The rest are self-entitled onlookers, providing window dressing in a simulacrum of corporate governance.
Ian livingstone? Really?
FB specifically mentioned the Chairman, not Ian Livingston.
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15 Sep 2015, 03:10 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
If they were really applying proper scrutiny & governance PL's performance would have seen him binned by a truly vigilant board a long time since.

Some people on here do know some of the board players, and close planets of the club.

One of the most important men in the history of the club, and a highly successful businessman to boot, told me a while ago that DD's voivce was the only one that mattered at CP.

Another high-achiever in business, with impeccable contacts at the club, was adamant that PL's only KPI was to ensure that DD did not have to shell out a penny for Celtic.

For that he gets his £1m pa.

Accountants should never be CEs at football clubs, unless they are someone else's tool. As in our case.
you're not the only person who knows people. But then any idiot can work out its not as simple as DD calling the shots and PL simply doing his bidding, it's just really simplistic and from what I know it's far from the truth. For one thing the idea that someone like Ian livingstone sits on the board and sits by while DD runs the company for his own personal gain with total disregard for corporate governance? What about previous board members, chairmen? All spineless or in on the con?

Your point about accountants running football is just stupid, it's your opinion and nothing more. You do know that people aren't accountants by birth and that they can do other things, especially when they've been doing it for 10 years. I don't think the majority of the ftse CEOs who had their grounding in accountancy would consider themselves to be accountants even if you do.

You'd best tell man united they've got a wrong un in charge
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15 Sep 2015, 04:36 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 01:52 PM

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Ian livingstone? Really?
FB specifically mentioned the Chairman, not Ian Livingston.
"The rest" includes Ian livingstone
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This really isn't my argument to be having so I'll leave you all to it, fill yer boots with no dissenting voices to spoil your fun
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 04:21 PM
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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
But you are either close to it or giving the impression you are.

Either way your posts on the subject are so one-note as to be absolutely irrelevant. Whatever the scenario being discussed you then work out how you can back the board and Lawwell on it.

You ask for balance yet provide none.
you're digging me up for one-note posts on here? And for lack of balance on this thread? Have you actually read it?

There's no balance in this thread at all, just poorly informed attacks based on nothing more than guess work about what actually happens in the boardroom at Celtic.

You make a good point though, the mass hysteria on this thread does make kds seem pretty irrelevant



More dangerous is the hysterical complacency evident on this thread.

Have you actually been to CP recently? The apathy is rampant & the seats are half-empty.



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kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 04:21 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 02:53 PM
kingbhoyd
15 Sep 2015, 02:33 PM
There's some guys who seem to know a hell of a lot about the functioning of the Celtic board and the personalities and their motivations. An amazing amount given they're a million miles away from it.
But you are either close to it or giving the impression you are.

Either way your posts on the subject are so one-note as to be absolutely irrelevant. Whatever the scenario being discussed you then work out how you can back the board and Lawwell on it.

You ask for balance yet provide none.
you're digging me up for one-note posts on here? And for lack of balance on this thread? Have you actually read it?

There's no balance in this thread at all, just poorly informed attacks based on nothing more than guess work about what actually happens in the boardroom at Celtic.

You make a good point though, the mass hysteria on this thread does make kds seem pretty irrelevant



Two champions League group stage qualifications in seven years and only once in tha time has the team who knocked us out been seeded above us - Arsenal

Eight trophies in seven years when for the last three we have had no real competition domestically in terms of finance

Huge numbers of empty seats, falling turnover

There is something clearly not right just now and yet our CEO - who it would appear is bombproof - says all is going swimmingly.

Under PL & DD we are going nowhere.
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kingbhoyd - the Gerry McSherry of the digital age.

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15 Sep 2015, 03:40 PM
We've been downsizing since Seville and we have, for the most part, sat idly by. Everything about the club screams amatuer at the moment. Time for a change :boxer:
The kind of expenditure around Seville time wasn't sustainable.
It's the infrastructure: scouting, wage structure, youth system, coaching that's not up to it.
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15 Sep 2015, 07:57 PM
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15 Sep 2015, 03:40 PM
We've been downsizing since Seville and we have, for the most part, sat idly by. Everything about the club screams amatuer at the moment. Time for a change :boxer:
The kind of expenditure around Seville time wasn't sustainable.
It's the infrastructure: scouting, wage structure, youth system, coaching that's not up to it.
Exactly. It's not the amount of transfer spending that's the problem - it's the amount we piss up the wall on the Amido Baldes, Derk Boerrigters and Stefan Šćepovićs of this world that leads to us being routinely destroyed in European qualifiers by teams with far less money than we have.
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