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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,815 Views)
kewlcelt
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k3vkr
14 Sep 2015, 09:35 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
The malaise amongst a lot of supporters is growing IMO........
The ones who refuse to criticise the board remind me of certain other fans who pretended all was rosey in the garden until it was too late...

I am not comparing the two clubs situations before anyone thinks I am, our issue is much harder to remedy I think.....
Even those who refuse to criticise the board must surely see the shambles the squad is currently in?

We arguably have the poorest quality in all areas for close to twenty years. I can't remember a squad less inspiring and devoid of real quality since the days before Tommy Burns took over.

Given the unique period of dominance we've had for the last three seasons it's a disgrace the shape we find ourselves in on the pitch.
Edited by kewlcelt, 14 Sep 2015, 09:45 PM.
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k3vkr
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kewlcelt
14 Sep 2015, 09:42 PM
k3vkr
14 Sep 2015, 09:35 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
The malaise amongst a lot of supporters is growing IMO........
The ones who refuse to criticise the board remind me of certain other fans who pretended all was rosey in the garden until it was too late...

I am not comparing the two clubs situations before anyone thinks I am, our issue is much harder to remedy I think.....
Even those who refuse to criticise the board must surely see the shambles the squad is currently in?

We arguably have the poorest quality in all areas for close to twenty years. I can't remember a squad less inspiring and devoid of real quality since the days before Tommy Burns took over.

Given the unique period of dominance we've had for the last three seasons it's a disgrace the shape we find ourselves in on the pitch.
Agreed :thumbsup:


It's a shocking situation we find ourselves in, and the worst thing is, if you think back we could have easily seen it coming..
What is the solution though....
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We have proven track record of not capitalising on success.
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Big_Bobo_Balde
13 Sep 2015, 02:18 PM
Collins is a shoe in for the next manager..
Just catching up with this thread

Collins :nono: ... No chance from what I hear
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kkc08
14 Sep 2015, 10:15 PM
Big_Bobo_Balde
13 Sep 2015, 02:18 PM
Collins is a shoe in for the next manager..
Just catching up with this thread

Collins :nono: ... No chance from what I hear
I'm honestly glad to hear that, but wouldn't surprise me :(
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Busa Bhoy
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Dr Huffarr
14 Sep 2015, 10:14 PM
We have proven track record of not capitalising on success.
This sickens me especially now when we could have been out of sight for a good few years. I do hope they're not attempting to manufacture competition for next season :nono:
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How long till we get rid of these shysters?

We'll never get a sugardaddy, fine with that, just need people in place who have the ability to match the responsibility.

The Kaiser, Teflonman Lawwell, Fatman Commons*, the very unfunny Charles Mulgrew* and the rest can get to eff

* If whats rumoured to be true is in fact - which it probably is
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kewlcelt
14 Sep 2015, 09:42 PM
k3vkr
14 Sep 2015, 09:35 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
The malaise amongst a lot of supporters is growing IMO........
The ones who refuse to criticise the board remind me of certain other fans who pretended all was rosey in the garden until it was too late...

I am not comparing the two clubs situations before anyone thinks I am, our issue is much harder to remedy I think.....
Even those who refuse to criticise the board must surely see the shambles the squad is currently in?

We arguably have the poorest quality in all areas for close to twenty years. I can't remember a squad less inspiring and devoid of real quality since the days before Tommy Burns took over.

Given the unique period of dominance we've had for the last three seasons it's a disgrace the shape we find ourselves in on the pitch.
The letter will just go into the bin, with dozens of others. I remember people sending season tickets back with similar complaints, only for them to be returned...probably with a note to pay for the stamp. As much as they are completely useless at putting together a half decent team, you have to give our custodians credit for being incredible gifted at sitting things out ad just pretend nothing's happened while waiting for international fc to return.
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k3vkr
14 Sep 2015, 09:35 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
The malaise amongst a lot of supporters is growing IMO........
The ones who refuse to criticise the board remind me of certain other fans who pretended all was rosey in the garden until it was too late...

I am not comparing the two clubs situations before anyone thinks I am, our issue is much harder to remedy I think.....
yeah, us board lackeys just loved the old regime

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fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
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sevilliano
15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
I'll certainly ask the question.

It's curious that our Chairman, who is an extremely successful and progressive businessman, and who went into the Celtic job with his eyes open as to what the biggest issue was ( ie Lawwell), very quickly became a believer in the current set up.
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fatboab
15 Sep 2015, 10:32 AM
sevilliano
15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
I'll certainly ask the question.

It's curious that our Chairman, who is an extremely successful and progressive businessman, and who went into the Celtic job with his eyes open as to what the biggest issue was ( ie Lawwell), very quickly became a believer in the current set up.
Could you also ask why our extremely successful and progressive businessman is suddenly making a distinction between club and company?
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sevilliano
15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
A couple of things:

We have some long term debt payable to the Co-op bank by 2019, maybe some of the cash from operating profits over the years has been used to reduce this.

Also, whilst we all want invest in the squad - would we as a support be willing to invest in this, through possibly by a share issue (again).
We will be getting nothing again from DD, not since the chance of gaining entry to to the EPL was extinguished.

The main thing though has been our strategy of 'buy low, develop, sell high' - now the Board will argue this has been successful, we will argue that this plan is flatlining at a rate of knots.

My main concern (and I've repeated this many times) is the coziness of our main shareholders to our current board, it's not healthy and I'm not sure if the needed probity, challenge or ruthlessness is being administered.

It would be interesting to find out the return on investment DD has had since the entry to the EPL strategy failed.
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Anyone know if the Yank from GAP (John J Fisher) still owns shares in Celtic?
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This current board aren't creating vitriol and anger and I don't ever foresee protests or boycotts.

What they're creating is apathy, which is far more dangerous.
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Stringer Bell
15 Sep 2015, 11:34 AM
This current board aren't creating vitriol and anger and I don't ever foresee protests or boycotts.

What they're creating is apathy, which is far more dangerous.
Indeed. Not only have the succeeded in downsizing the quality of players they are prepared to go for, they have downsized the expectations of the support.
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15 Sep 2015, 11:34 AM
This current board aren't creating vitriol and anger and I don't ever foresee protests or boycotts.

What they're creating is apathy, which is far more dangerous.
I thought they were creating a world class football club? :chuffed: :ponder: :Bye:
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fatboab
15 Sep 2015, 10:32 AM
sevilliano
15 Sep 2015, 10:10 AM
fatboab
14 Sep 2015, 09:03 PM
Decent letter Aldo. I guess it will achieve the same as every other complaint however. They simply don't agree with this point of view, and they think they are right and we are wrong. I have had this view confirmed by an insider . Worth trying though.
FB it may be worth inquiring as to whether rather than we are right they are wrong they'd even be prepared as a board to get some independent view

these guys in their professional lives regularly get independent consultants to benchmark or review their operations

they may not be quite at the stage where any of them have the balls to stand up to pl and call for this but a few pumpings in the europa league or perish the thought some more dropped points in spfl may see someone grow a set

time to sow the seed
I'll certainly ask the question.

It's curious that our Chairman, who is an extremely successful and progressive businessman, and who went into the Celtic job with his eyes open as to what the biggest issue was ( ie Lawwell), very quickly became a believer in the current set up.
you know there is an alternative viewpoint to what now seems to be a cast iron truism on here now. I'd wager that him and the rest of the board don't and never have seen peter lawwell as being the "biggest issue" and as successful businessmen with a uniquely informed position about the challenges that face Celtic they understand what a difficult job he has to do, not least because of what he must face in a daily basis from our support.

its pretty ludicrous to suggest that someone like Ian livingstone, for example, would sit by and not do anything while the CEO of a company on who's board he sits is the "main issue" to the growth and success of the business. It's nuts

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What Kingbhoyd said. :lol:
Edited by jamiebhoy76, 15 Sep 2015, 02:18 PM.
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Is there any chance that someone would draft a similar letter which could be signed by a number of people?

I have a serious problem with two strands of the (many-stranded) Celtic support which are often in direct opposition: the 'happy-clappers' who are actually much more complex than that title allows, since they are usually very passionate and dedicated followers who just believe, wrongly, that the board have done a good job. Then there's people who complain about the board all the time but, apathetically, feel as if they are powerful to resist them.

Which is basically to say that I think if people actually cared about this, rather than deciding not to go to matches, they could be a bit more vocal in their opposition.
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