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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,823 Views)
Gonga
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11 Sep 2015, 08:24 PM
Lawlerm
11 Sep 2015, 08:20 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 08:18 PM
Wonder if Åge fancies a job... :lol:
A lot of people slagged him for being a dick but it was clear where the mental strength of his team came from. After seeing him interviewed at the end of the first leg I felt they were favourites to go through.
He obviously had his side believing they were through whereas our manager had our team utterly terrified of not going through, from Qarabag onwards. Deila didn't handle the pressure at all and didn't insulate his team from it.
Where did all that pressure come from?


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Gonga
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11 Sep 2015, 08:20 PM

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He obviously had his side believing they were through whereas our manager had our team utterly terrified of not going through, from Qarabag onwards. Deila didn't handle the pressure at all and didn't insulate his team from it.
Where did all that pressure come from?


The nature of being the Celtic manager?
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We did and will make money from the EL so that would reduce the impact of no CL but i don't know how much the El was worth. the Inter Milan game alone must have been worth a few quid.

I just did some very rough calculations to show it was nowhere near £50m
The €8.6m figure quoted doesn't include either the Market Pool or the Playoff money though. The last time we qualified and finished bottom of the group we made €19.67m (honestly! :potm: ) in UEFA prize money alone:

- €8.60m from participating
- €7.97m from the market pool
- €2.10m from competing in the playoff
- €1.00m for our solitary win

Last year we would have made the same €20m from qualifying. That's before ticket sales, increased merchandising and other fringe benefits such as an increase in player values.

This year would have been even higher as our market pool payout would have increased substantially based on BT's new TV deal and the €8.6m fee has increased to €12m as you mentioned. As it is we have pocketed €3m from losing in the playoff.

Failure to qualify in the last 2 years has costs us close to €50m in prize money alone (north of £35m) before you account for ticket sales and anything else.
But you still have to take into account we made money by participating in the EL. No idea how much and obviously a fraction of what the CL would have given us.

I'm not arguing we have lost out on a fair sum of money just not as much as was stated. :thumbsup:
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kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 08:31 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 07:08 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 05:41 PM

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The €8.6m figure quoted doesn't include either the Market Pool or the Playoff money though. The last time we qualified and finished bottom of the group we made €19.67m (honestly! :potm: ) in UEFA prize money alone:

- €8.60m from participating
- €7.97m from the market pool
- €2.10m from competing in the playoff
- €1.00m for our solitary win

Last year we would have made the same €20m from qualifying. That's before ticket sales, increased merchandising and other fringe benefits such as an increase in player values.

This year would have been even higher as our market pool payout would have increased substantially based on BT's new TV deal and the €8.6m fee has increased to €12m as you mentioned. As it is we have pocketed €3m from losing in the playoff.

Failure to qualify in the last 2 years has costs us close to €50m in prize money alone (north of £35m) before you account for ticket sales and anything else.
But you still have to take into account we made money by participating in the EL. No idea how much and obviously a fraction of what the CL would have given us.

I'm not arguing we have lost out on a fair sum of money just not as much as was stated. :thumbsup:
I think it is a lot higher than the 20M you stated though.

CL TV Pool is 7 X EL money so on that alone we will lose approx 10m more a year than you factored in.



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11 Sep 2015, 07:58 PM
By every single measure he is failing.
of course he is but for plenty of people they seem to think the solution to the problems we have is throwing more money at it which is daft.
I've not seen many arguing that. More that the money should be better spent.

Our CEO is earning a fortune and the club is stagnating.
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But you still have to take into account we made money by participating in the EL. No idea how much and obviously a fraction of what the CL would have given us.

I'm not arguing we have lost out on a fair sum of money just not as much as was stated. :thumbsup:
I think it is a lot higher than the 20M you stated though.

CL TV Pool is 7 X EL money so on that alone we will lose approx 10m more a year than you factored in.



It is i hadn't realised the pool money was so high but it is still not £50m although it's getting there. :lol:

Lawlerm's money includes 2.1 euros outside of group stage we got this both years anyway so you can't include that in the final figure as we didn't lose out on that. (assuming i'm reading his figures correctly)

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What amazes me is that with a turnover of 50-60m a year with a very low net profit. PL gets paid 1m? Jesus the company I work for turns over 25-30m a year with a profit of 5-6m a year. The owners and directors max salary is 80k!!!! What is it with fitba that people deem that level of salary is acceptable! Unbelievable.
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They'll try to sit this out as usual. The spiral of downsizing will soon have them sitting alone with Doncaster in the main stand, where they can discuss whether the new SPFL sponsorship with the local cornershop is going to be strong enough to turn things around.
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They'll try to sit this out as usual. The spiral of downsizing will soon have them sitting alone with Doncaster in the main stand, where they can discuss whether the new SPFL sponsorship with the local cornershop is going to be strong enough to turn things around.
Won't need that. They're relying on Sevvco being up next season to drive season ticket sales and the sad thing is there's people in our support who will have hard ons at the thought.

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Any thoughts on the statement making a distinction between the club and company?
Edited by Massiveheid, 11 Sep 2015, 11:20 PM.
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They'll try to sit this out as usual. The spiral of downsizing will soon have them sitting alone with Doncaster in the main stand, where they can discuss whether the new SPFL sponsorship with the local cornershop is going to be strong enough to turn things around.
Won't need that. They're relying on Sevvco being up next season to drive season ticket sales and the sad thing is there's people in our support who will have hard ons at the thought.

The past few seasons without murder and mayhem have been fantastic how anyone could want those days back defies belief .
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Wonder if Åge fancies a job... :lol:
A lot of people slagged him for being a dick but it was clear where the mental strength of his team came from. After seeing him interviewed at the end of the first leg I felt they were favourites to go through.
Are there any young German managers looking for a job this weather?
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He obviously had his side believing they were through whereas our manager had our team utterly terrified of not going through, from Qarabag onwards. Deila didn't handle the pressure at all and didn't insulate his team from it.
Where did all that pressure come from?


Does it matter? He's paid to handle it and make sure his players can handle it.
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PETER LAWWELL last night praised Aberdeen and Hearts — but insists Celtic will keep the title.

Both the Jambos and Dons have made fine starts to the season, and Hoops chief Lawwell has welcomed the challenge.

He said: “Both clubs are doing fantastically well, and that can only be good for Scottish football.

“The ownership, the leadership and the coaching staffs.

“Certainly, we are at Aberdeen on Saturday, and Derek McInnes and Tony Docherty are doing a great job there.”

On the day Lawwell announced club losses of £3.95million to the year ending June 30, compared with an £11.17m profit in 2014, he refused to bite back at Rangers chairman Dave King who claimed that on a football level Celts were not that far ahead of the Light Blues.

Lawwell added: “We’ll look after ourselves. To be honest, I haven’t even noticed what was said because we’ve had a board meeting today.”

Lawwell stressed the confidence he and major shareholder Dermot Desmond have in Ronny Deila has not been dented by the latest Champions League qualifying failure in Malmo.

And he also stated they could easily have sold Virgil van Dijk a year ago.

Of that dismal night in Sweden last month, Lawwell said: “Of course, it was very disappointing.

“But we feel Ronny is doing well. He is still learning and he is progressing. We have demonstrated we are not going to make knee-jerk reactions.

“We didn’t have to sell van Dijk. We could have have kept him to his contract which had two years left. We would have preferred to do that.

“But the dynamic had changed. Virgil was desperate to go. He’s gone to Southampton for five times his salary.

“If we had held on to him for another two years we wouldn’t have had a very happy player.

“Now, over the next few years he’s going to be earning £45,000-a-week at Southampton.”

Meanwhile, Lawwell remained upbeat about the Hoops’ finances despite a staggering £15m turnaround in 12 months.

The £13m sale of van Dijk isn’t included in the latest accounts.

Lawwell added: “We’re very stable, in fantastic shape. We could have made a profit if we’d sold van Dijk and other players a year ago. But we chose to keep them.

“We’d expect to make a profit this year.

“The investment on Jozo Simunovic and other players is a big statement.

“We are dedicated to creating a world class football club here.”
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11 Sep 2015, 11:33 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 11:13 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 10:53 PM
They'll try to sit this out as usual. The spiral of downsizing will soon have them sitting alone with Doncaster in the main stand, where they can discuss whether the new SPFL sponsorship with the local cornershop is going to be strong enough to turn things around.
Won't need that. They're relying on Sevvco being up next season to drive season ticket sales and the sad thing is there's people in our support who will have hard ons at the thought.

The past few seasons without murder and mayhem have been fantastic how anyone could want those days back defies belief .
I agree but unfortunately a lot of our support can't wait.
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PETER LAWWELL last night praised Aberdeen and Hearts — but insists Celtic will keep the title.

Both the Jambos and Dons have made fine starts to the season, and Hoops chief Lawwell has welcomed the challenge.

He said: “Both clubs are doing fantastically well, and that can only be good for Scottish football.

“The ownership, the leadership and the coaching staffs.

“Certainly, we are at Aberdeen on Saturday, and Derek McInnes and Tony Docherty are doing a great job there.”

On the day Lawwell announced club losses of £3.95million to the year ending June 30, compared with an £11.17m profit in 2014, he refused to bite back at Rangers chairman Dave King who claimed that on a football level Celts were not that far ahead of the Light Blues.

Lawwell added: “We’ll look after ourselves. To be honest, I haven’t even noticed what was said because we’ve had a board meeting today.”

Lawwell stressed the confidence he and major shareholder Dermot Desmond have in Ronny Deila has not been dented by the latest Champions League qualifying failure in Malmo.

And he also stated they could easily have sold Virgil van Dijk a year ago.

Of that dismal night in Sweden last month, Lawwell said: “Of course, it was very disappointing.

“But we feel Ronny is doing well. He is still learning and he is progressing. We have demonstrated we are not going to make knee-jerk reactions.

“We didn’t have to sell van Dijk. We could have have kept him to his contract which had two years left. We would have preferred to do that.

“But the dynamic had changed. Virgil was desperate to go. He’s gone to Southampton for five times his salary.

“If we had held on to him for another two years we wouldn’t have had a very happy player.

“Now, over the next few years he’s going to be earning £45,000-a-week at Southampton.”

Meanwhile, Lawwell remained upbeat about the Hoops’ finances despite a staggering £15m turnaround in 12 months.

The £13m sale of van Dijk isn’t included in the latest accounts.

Lawwell added: “We’re very stable, in fantastic shape. We could have made a profit if we’d sold van Dijk and other players a year ago. But we chose to keep them.

“We’d expect to make a profit this year.

“The investment on Jozo Simunovic and other players is a big statement.

“We are dedicated to creating a world class football club here.”
Shouldn't be revealing what a players salary is, surely.

Don't believe he was on £9k a week with us either
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11 Sep 2015, 11:56 PM
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PETER LAWWELL last night praised Aberdeen and Hearts — but insists Celtic will keep the title.

Both the Jambos and Dons have made fine starts to the season, and Hoops chief Lawwell has welcomed the challenge.

He said: “Both clubs are doing fantastically well, and that can only be good for Scottish football.

“The ownership, the leadership and the coaching staffs.

“Certainly, we are at Aberdeen on Saturday, and Derek McInnes and Tony Docherty are doing a great job there.”

On the day Lawwell announced club losses of £3.95million to the year ending June 30, compared with an £11.17m profit in 2014, he refused to bite back at Rangers chairman Dave King who claimed that on a football level Celts were not that far ahead of the Light Blues.

Lawwell added: “We’ll look after ourselves. To be honest, I haven’t even noticed what was said because we’ve had a board meeting today.”

Lawwell stressed the confidence he and major shareholder Dermot Desmond have in Ronny Deila has not been dented by the latest Champions League qualifying failure in Malmo.

And he also stated they could easily have sold Virgil van Dijk a year ago.

Of that dismal night in Sweden last month, Lawwell said: “Of course, it was very disappointing.

“But we feel Ronny is doing well. He is still learning and he is progressing. We have demonstrated we are not going to make knee-jerk reactions.

“We didn’t have to sell van Dijk. We could have have kept him to his contract which had two years left. We would have preferred to do that.

“But the dynamic had changed. Virgil was desperate to go. He’s gone to Southampton for five times his salary.

“If we had held on to him for another two years we wouldn’t have had a very happy player.

“Now, over the next few years he’s going to be earning £45,000-a-week at Southampton.”

Meanwhile, Lawwell remained upbeat about the Hoops’ finances despite a staggering £15m turnaround in 12 months.

The £13m sale of van Dijk isn’t included in the latest accounts.

Lawwell added: “We’re very stable, in fantastic shape. We could have made a profit if we’d sold van Dijk and other players a year ago. But we chose to keep them.

“We’d expect to make a profit this year.

“The investment on Jozo Simunovic and other players is a big statement.

“We are dedicated to creating a world class football club here.”
Shouldn't be revealing what a players salary is, surely.

Don't believe he was on £9k a week with us either
Are you saying Lawwell is a lying carrot?

Sounds about right.
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This brass necked bastard, earning 1m a year from Celtic, has the stones to come out and tell Celtic fans in public that everything is OK, that the club wouldn't have made a loss, if only they chose to sell the family silver earlier. This idiot can GTF. He is an utter coakroach. Piss off Lawwell. :nono:
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This brass necked bastard, earning 1m a year from Celtic, has the stones to come out and tell Celtic fans in public that everything is OK, that the club wouldn't have made a loss, if only they chose to sell the family silver earlier. This idiot can GTF. He is an utter coakroach. Piss off Lawwell. :nono:
It cannot still be a minority of us that hate what he has done to our club, so why is there so little reaction amongst our fans?
Edited by Ron Swanson, 12 Sep 2015, 12:08 AM.
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11 Sep 2015, 07:27 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 07:13 PM
So Lawwell is failing both on and off the pitch... when are we getting rid of this idiot?
Well to be fair - as the statement rightly points out - Celtic are a club founded on charity. Lawwell's charity payment is close to 1m per year.
Moneyball will come bouncing back.
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