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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,024 Views)
seaneh
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They're doing a very good job for us, however I thought the Living Wage refusal was shameful :nono:
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They're running the club as well as they can in my opinion.

It's easy to say we should splash out on one marquee signing a year, but unless you're selling one marquee player a year too that's not going to work either. Not to mention how it would affect the morale in the squad "I know you've been hankering for a new £15k a year deal Izzy, and you deserve it for all you've done, but we can't afford it cos we're going to throw £60k a week at Peter Odemwingie".

Until the rest of the SPL start pulling their weight in Europe the outlook will remain grim.
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Think they are good, would like to see them now be a bit braver though. We have done well with the £1-2m guys, now start picking up a few in the £4-6m bracket. Means we get to see better quality and hopefully they bring the same returns.

The living wage thing neither surprised nor bothered me.
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Arsene Parcelie
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I'd have like to see the living wage adopted, (but not entirely sure of the circumstances as to why it was turned down), but we are where we are, in an environment with little cash, no sponsors for leagues and cups, and no real chance of expansion.
We keep the books and run the business in a fashion that means we won't go bust and can meet our overheads.

We don't need big money signings for domestic purposes, and even 11 new superstar signings wouldn't guarantee any European success.

So we're left with the problem of how do you keep the fans happy and entertained. We can't satisfy everyone, so we end up with those that stay regardless, those that stay and moan, and those that vote with their feet.

It's always been like that though. It's just that the personnel change, and luckily we appear to have survived.

Even a move to (e.g.) the money bags EPL would not guarantee anything. Look at the debt that the "wee" clubs are in there just to tread water. To succeed you need to go into the half billion of debt that the big 5 or 6 go into because they have the global fan base and appeal to service that debt, or have a big "sponsor".

Anybody up for organising a protest march to the ground to complain about the fact that we're not in dire straits because we've managed to get back on an even keel after the debt of the MON era?
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Financial management is ok. The balance is looking good but long term investment in their main money maker (fans) is worrying.

They seem out of touch with the support.

Playing squad could be invested in.
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sevilliano
15 Jul 2014, 06:42 AM
mr green sky
15 Jul 2014, 12:46 AM
Mubo Loravcik
15 Jul 2014, 12:36 AM

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Agree with this . Our place in world football is changing . We play in a back water and are Becoming an irrelevance (just like all Scottish clubs are ) to the super powered , financially doped teams n leagues now .

Until we get put of this place I don't think we can ask anymore more of the board . It's just us fans who have to suffer the crushing reality
This is the crucial point (agree with everything else said by you and TW) and where the board need to up their game

Scandanavian league, the initiatives in Belarus (think politics may stop that) all point the way fwd for the board to deliver a UK cup or Celtic summer league or north sea league or such like - anything to bring about change in environmentb

O/wise we are effed
What are the Belarus initiatives? I missed that story.
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Arsene Parcelie
15 Jul 2014, 09:36 AM
I'd have like to see the living wage adopted, (but not entirely sure of the circumstances as to why it was turned down), but we are where we are, in an environment with little cash, no sponsors for leagues and cups, and no real chance of expansion.
We keep the books and run the business in a fashion that means we won't go bust and can meet our overheads.

We don't need big money signings for domestic purposes, and even 11 new superstar signings wouldn't guarantee any European success.

So we're left with the problem of how do you keep the fans happy and entertained. We can't satisfy everyone, so we end up with those that stay regardless, those that stay and moan, and those that vote with their feet.

It's always been like that though. It's just that the personnel change, and luckily we appear to have survived.

Even a move to (e.g.) the money bags EPL would not guarantee anything. Look at the debt that the "wee" clubs are in there just to tread water. To succeed you need to go into the half billion of debt that the big 5 or 6 go into because they have the global fan base and appeal to service that debt, or have a big "sponsor".

Anybody up for organising a protest march to the ground to complain about the fact that we're not in dire straits because we've managed to get back on an even keel after the debt of the MON era?
I'm not sure why they couldn't adopt it for shop staff/ticket office staff, however I'm quite certain the programme and windfall sellers and the kiosk workers are brought in by contractors.
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Arsene Parcelie
15 Jul 2014, 09:36 AM
I'd have like to see the living wage adopted, (but not entirely sure of the circumstances as to why it was turned down), but we are where we are, in an environment with little cash, no sponsors for leagues and cups, and no real chance of expansion.
We keep the books and run the business in a fashion that means we won't go bust and can meet our overheads.

We don't need big money signings for domestic purposes, and even 11 new superstar signings wouldn't guarantee any European success.

So we're left with the problem of how do you keep the fans happy and entertained. We can't satisfy everyone, so we end up with those that stay regardless, those that stay and moan, and those that vote with their feet.

It's always been like that though. It's just that the personnel change, and luckily we appear to have survived.

Even a move to (e.g.) the money bags EPL would not guarantee anything. Look at the debt that the "wee" clubs are in there just to tread water. To succeed you need to go into the half billion of debt that the big 5 or 6 go into because they have the global fan base and appeal to service that debt, or have a big "sponsor".

Anybody up for organising a protest march to the ground to complain about the fact that we're not in dire straits because we've managed to get back on an even keel after the debt of the MON era?
Can we wave red cards then post them through a window ?
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Round and round we go. We're not really going anywhere fast to be honest. Yes, we are run reasonably well as a business and secondly as a football team. PL has done exceptionally well in lowering everyone's standards and put the fear of God into everyone that we could follow the huns into oblivion.

I don't expect us to throw crazy money around, and I appreciate the backwater we operate in, but the only thing I ever expect from Celtic is to have the best possible team we can afford on the park. I don't think that's currently the case.
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seaneh
15 Jul 2014, 09:25 AM
They're doing a very good job for us, however I thought the Living Wage refusal was shameful :nono:
This.
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Fine as a business, but not as a football club.

They are happy to see us finish top of the league and hope we can get to the group stages without any purchases, which is a massive gamble. If a football club feels they need to buy players to ensure CL qualification and the money is there we should be pursuing signings. There is no ambition to take us up a level into permanent CL group stagers never mind the last 16 we all crave. Moreover there is no real improvement on the on field "product".

We buy players for £1m - £2m and sell for £6m - £10m, why cant we re-invest some of that money? Not saying we should spend £6m - £10m obviously, but why not £3m - £5m on a bit of better quality? Both improving the team and making a healthy profit in the transfer market. (Obviously talking in generalities before someone facetiously talks about some being duds)


Living wage issue is a joke considering why our club was founded.

Out of touch with the supporters, dont know if thats cause they see us as an income or what. Throwing the support under the bus for no reason for the Dundee "riots" immediately after the match without bothering to look into anything themselves (which would've shown a non-event and disgraceful stewarding) was criminal to me as an example.
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They're ok, at least they ain't well-known businessmen lol snort chuckle fart
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yaweedurty
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What exactly is this living wage thing we're talking about?
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yaweedurty
15 Jul 2014, 10:41 AM
What exactly is this living wage thing we're talking about?
http://slw.povertyalliance.org/about_us

The Scottish Living Wage Campaign was established in the autumn of 2007 following a conference organised by the Poverty Alliance in Glasgow. Following this, a steering group was established for the campaign, working hard over the past seven years to build support.
Learning from the success of the London Living Wage Campaign, which estimates to have put £24million back in the pockets of low paid workers since its launch in 2001, the campaign has gone from strength to strength.
Glasgow City Council was the first employer to receive the Scottish Living Wage Employer Award in 2009. Many other large employers such as SSE have committed to pay all their staff the Scottish Living Wage.
The campaign has been working with the Living Wage Foundation to encourage employers to go through the recognised accreditation process, ensuring that not only directly employed staff but also those who are subcontracted are ultimately covered by the living wage.
The number of accredited employers is increasing across the UK, with some recent notable Scottish employers including SSE plc, Falkirk Council and West Dunbartonshire CVS. Over the coming year the number of accredited employers in Scotland will increase as the Poverty Alliance implements the Living Wage Accreditation Project, funded by the Scottish Government.
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Slightly concerned that no-one has gently suggested to Lawwell that despite his many years of good service, 10 years as a director is pushing the boundaries of good corporate governance.

I appreciate he's probably a fan and I assume he enjoys the work, but a relatively regular turn-over of ideas at the head of an organisation is almost always for the best.
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Overall OK

We cannot compete against clubs from bigger nations and we all accept that. Don't want to see us go into debt. Happy with DD as main shareholder. No problem Bankier as chairman. Communication with fans is generally passable.

However

We have signed enough projects - if a top player leaves why not try and replace him with someone that can walk into the team

PL is grossly overpaid as Herbert points out

Reduces the cost of food and beverages on match day (they are a complete rip off)

and pay the living wage
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duffsticks
15 Jul 2014, 11:03 AM
Slightly concerned that no-one has gently suggested to Lawwell that despite his many years of good service, 10 years as a director is pushing the boundaries of good corporate governance.

I appreciate he's probably a fan and I assume he enjoys the work, but a relatively regular turn-over of ideas at the head of an organisation is almost always for the best.
Post #15 on page 1 :thumbsup:
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GetFunky
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15 Jul 2014, 11:09 AM
Overall OK

We cannot compete against clubs from bigger nations and we all accept that. Don't want to see us go into debt. Happy with DD as main shareholder. No problem Bankier as chairman. Communication with fans is generally passable.

However

We have signed enough projects - if a top player leaves why not try and replace him with someone that can walk into the team

PL is grossly overpaid as Herbert points out

Reduces the cost of food and beverages on match day (they are a complete rip off)

and pay the living wage
We've replaced players with who have left with players who have walked into the team.

VVD replaced Kelvin Wilson
Johansen replaced Wanyama
Griffiths was the eventual replacement for Hooper.

My only issue with this is the downsizing.
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I'm happy with the board overall. Yeah, we don't splash funds on marquee signings on a yearly basis but the financial management of the club is sound. It means we can 'afford' to miss out on the Champions League for a season or so with no real issue - in financial terms anyhow.

I agree with others in that I'd be happy if we, at times, were more prepared to spend an extra £500k-1m to land a player who has proved to be a success elsewhere rather than sign 'projects' or players from clubs below us as cheaper alternatives.
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