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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,824 Views)
remy mcswain
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11 Sep 2015, 07:08 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 05:41 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 05:21 PM

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We did and will make money from the EL so that would reduce the impact of no CL but i don't know how much the El was worth. the Inter Milan game alone must have been worth a few quid.

I just did some very rough calculations to show it was nowhere near £50m
The €8.6m figure quoted doesn't include either the Market Pool or the Playoff money though. The last time we qualified and finished bottom of the group we made €19.67m (honestly! :potm: ) in UEFA prize money alone:

- €8.60m from participating
- €7.97m from the market pool
- €2.10m from competing in the playoff
- €1.00m for our solitary win

Last year we would have made the same €20m from qualifying. That's before ticket sales, increased merchandising and other fringe benefits such as an increase in player values.

This year would have been even higher as our market pool payout would have increased substantially based on BT's new TV deal and the €8.6m fee has increased to €12m as you mentioned. As it is we have pocketed €3m from losing in the playoff.

Failure to qualify in the last 2 years has costs us close to €50m in prize money alone (north of £35m) before you account for ticket sales and anything else.
Yes but giving Ronny Deila £5m quid last summer would not have made us qualify for the CL.
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Would having to play at Murrayfield dented the revenue? Not only would we have had to pay a fee for it, we also gave 2 free Cl qualifiers instead of 1
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stibhan
11 Sep 2015, 07:13 PM
So Lawwell is failing both on and off the pitch... when are we getting rid of this idiot?
Well to be fair - as the statement rightly points out - Celtic are a club founded on charity. Lawwell's charity payment is close to 1m per year.
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Pretty poor figures. You would think that the CEO would be getting his arse felt for this but I won't hold my breath.

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remy mcswain
11 Sep 2015, 07:15 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 07:08 PM
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The €8.6m figure quoted doesn't include either the Market Pool or the Playoff money though. The last time we qualified and finished bottom of the group we made €19.67m (honestly! :potm: ) in UEFA prize money alone:

- €8.60m from participating
- €7.97m from the market pool
- €2.10m from competing in the playoff
- €1.00m for our solitary win

Last year we would have made the same €20m from qualifying. That's before ticket sales, increased merchandising and other fringe benefits such as an increase in player values.

This year would have been even higher as our market pool payout would have increased substantially based on BT's new TV deal and the €8.6m fee has increased to €12m as you mentioned. As it is we have pocketed €3m from losing in the playoff.

Failure to qualify in the last 2 years has costs us close to €50m in prize money alone (north of £35m) before you account for ticket sales and anything else.
Yes but giving Ronny Deila £5m quid last summer would not have made us qualify for the CL.
£5 million on a good Striker against Maribor would have put us through.
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remy mcswain
11 Sep 2015, 07:15 PM
Lawlerm
11 Sep 2015, 07:08 PM
kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:41 PM

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The €8.6m figure quoted doesn't include either the Market Pool or the Playoff money though. The last time we qualified and finished bottom of the group we made €19.67m (honestly! :potm: ) in UEFA prize money alone:

- €8.60m from participating
- €7.97m from the market pool
- €2.10m from competing in the playoff
- €1.00m for our solitary win

Last year we would have made the same €20m from qualifying. That's before ticket sales, increased merchandising and other fringe benefits such as an increase in player values.

This year would have been even higher as our market pool payout would have increased substantially based on BT's new TV deal and the €8.6m fee has increased to €12m as you mentioned. As it is we have pocketed €3m from losing in the playoff.

Failure to qualify in the last 2 years has costs us close to €50m in prize money alone (north of £35m) before you account for ticket sales and anything else.
Yes but giving Ronny Deila £5m quid last summer would not have made us qualify for the CL.
Agreed as I said earlier, was just focusing on the size of the prize.

Not sure if Kevtic is saying that we collect the CL TV money even though we didn't qualify. :ponder:

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At least a year for the team to 'develop' in the Europa League will be good, eh?
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some people still think lawwell is sitting on a pile of money that hes refusing to spend.

the managers failings to get us into the champions league the past 2 seasons will hurt us for quite a while.

we are very fortunate that the board got lucky appointing lennon who in turn managed to get some great signings in and 2 champions league runs. eff knows what state we would be in right now without that income.
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11 Sep 2015, 07:47 PM
some people still think lawwell is sitting on a pile of money that hes refusing to spend.

the managers failings to get us into the champions league the past 2 seasons will hurt us for quite a while.

we are very fortunate that the board got lucky appointing lennon who in turn managed to get some great signings in and 2 champions league runs. eff knows what state we would be in right now without that income.
At least with the sale of van Dijk, the improved earnings from the CL playoff and the increase Market Pool for the Europa League there will be an uplift in the takings next year :lol: :clap:
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Looking at around £4m from Europa league participation with a few home wins which we would expect then there's gate receipts so dependent on crowds say 30k at home games that's another £2m then if I'm not mistaken we get some money from TV as well dunno what that's worth?
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11 Sep 2015, 07:47 PM
some people still think lawwell is sitting on a pile of money that hes refusing to spend.

the managers failings to get us into the champions league the past 2 seasons will hurt us for quite a while.

we are very fortunate that the board got lucky appointing lennon who in turn managed to get some great signings in and 2 champions league runs. eff knows what state we would be in right now without that income.
Nobody is saying he is sitting on a pile of cash. He is spending a lot of money but his decisions are wrong. The manager was his choice and if people are to be believed he has a big say on the players we do and don't sign.

We have failed to qualify for the CL despite two years of decent draws, crowds are down, profits have disappeared and we have a worse product on the park.

By every single measure he is failing.
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Quiet Assasin
11 Sep 2015, 05:37 PM
I can't imagine my boss being comfortable that my strategy is sound if I tell him I've been overseeing a 20% reduction in revenue :lol:
Stunning, isn't it? Lawwell really is taking the piss and the idiots on the board are backing him all the way. A parcel of rogues.
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11 Sep 2015, 07:58 PM
By every single measure he is failing.
of course he is but for plenty of people they seem to think the solution to the problems we have is throwing more money at it which is daft.
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11 Sep 2015, 08:03 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 07:58 PM
By every single measure he is failing.
of course he is but for plenty of people they seem to think the solution to the problems we have is throwing more money at it which is daft.
There'll have to be a point where we'll have to invest and take a bit of debt on.

We have no players to sell next year to cover any loss of CL football which, let's face it, is massively likely given our reduction in player quality. We would probably need the kind of ridiculous draw Dinamo Zagreb got this year to make it through.
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11 Sep 2015, 08:03 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 07:58 PM
By every single measure he is failing.
of course he is but for plenty of people they seem to think the solution to the problems we have is throwing more money at it which is daft.
I agree we can't spend cash we don't have. We are spending a lot of money on absolute shampooe though and that is what needs to change.
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11 Sep 2015, 08:07 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 08:03 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 07:58 PM
By every single measure he is failing.
of course he is but for plenty of people they seem to think the solution to the problems we have is throwing more money at it which is daft.
There'll have to be a point where we'll have to invest and take a bit of debt on.

We have no players to sell next year to cover any loss of CL football which, let's face it, is massively likely given our reduction in player quality. We would probably need the kind of ridiculous draw Dinamo Zagreb got this year to make it through.
if we were going to take a financial gamble on spending to ensure we qualify for the champions league im not sure id trust ronny with it after the last 2 qualifying campaigns though which leads to more problems and questions needing asked of those in charge
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11 Sep 2015, 08:09 PM
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There'll have to be a point where we'll have to invest and take a bit of debt on.

We have no players to sell next year to cover any loss of CL football which, let's face it, is massively likely given our reduction in player quality. We would probably need the kind of ridiculous draw Dinamo Zagreb got this year to make it through.
if we were going to take a financial gamble on spending to ensure we qualify for the champions league im not sure id trust ronny with it after the last 2 qualifying campaigns though which leads to more problems and questions needing asked of those in charge
I agree with that.

But asking a manger who clearly bottled it and whose team failed at the very basics this year to go and do it again, under more pressure, with a poorer squad isn't appealing.

Wonder if Åge fancies a job... :lol:
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11 Sep 2015, 08:18 PM
Wonder if Åge fancies a job... :lol:
A lot of people slagged him for being a dick but it was clear where the mental strength of his team came from. After seeing him interviewed at the end of the first leg I felt they were favourites to go through.
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Lawlerm
11 Sep 2015, 08:20 PM
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Wonder if Åge fancies a job... :lol:
A lot of people slagged him for being a dick but it was clear where the mental strength of his team came from. After seeing him interviewed at the end of the first leg I felt they were favourites to go through.
He obviously had his side believing they were through whereas our manager had our team utterly terrified of not going through, from Qarabag onwards. Deila didn't handle the pressure at all and didn't insulate his team from it.
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