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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,825 Views)
paulfg42
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Revenues down 20% but the strategy is sound?

Made a loss because we didn't sell van Dijk?

FFS. Clueless just doesn't cover it.
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murphio
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paulfg42
11 Sep 2015, 05:14 PM
Revenues down 20% but the strategy is sound?

Made a loss because we didn't sell van Dijk?

FFS. Clueless just doesn't cover it.
We did though sell Watt and Forster - yet the accounts say we made only 6.77m from the gain on player registrations.
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kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:08 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 05:05 PM
kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:02 PM

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It'a not just that it's the ticketsales, merchandise and folk spending money on stuff etc. The feelgood factor folk generally dont spend as much if things go wrong.
Must be buying a lot of stuff.

I edited my post to point out that was in euros so the figure is actually under £20 million. So even adding £2m a game we'd still be at less than £30 million.

Still would be nice to have it but we haven't lost potentially 50 million.
We did as we might have went on to win it :clap:
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jack-daniels1981
11 Sep 2015, 05:17 PM
kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:08 PM
jack-daniels1981
11 Sep 2015, 05:05 PM

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Must be buying a lot of stuff.

I edited my post to point out that was in euros so the figure is actually under £20 million. So even adding £2m a game we'd still be at less than £30 million.

Still would be nice to have it but we haven't lost potentially 50 million.
We did as we might have went on to win it :clap:
:lol: :lol:
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Adam Smith 11
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kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:02 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 04:51 PM
remy mcswain
11 Sep 2015, 04:43 PM

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We have failed to qualify for the CL the last 2 seasons costing us potentially 50m :thumbsup:
Making group stage last year would have got us 8.6m and 12 this year. Say we won 2 games :ph43r: Another 5 mill. couple of draws another million

Just under 27 million and remember we got money for europa league so just a bit shy of 50 million :thumbsup:

edit and that is in euros so under £20million :doh: :lol:

Not that I agree with full initial argument but what about TV Pool money?

This is a significant amount given we would collect all of it. Could have been at least 10 million euro per year using rough calculations.

Edited by Adam Smith 11, 11 Sep 2015, 05:31 PM.
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Over two years the loss is aprox £30m. In 2013 - the last year we qualified for the group stages - revenue was around 65m.
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murphio
11 Sep 2015, 05:16 PM
paulfg42
11 Sep 2015, 05:14 PM
Revenues down 20% but the strategy is sound?

Made a loss because we didn't sell van Dijk?

FFS. Clueless just doesn't cover it.
We did though sell Watt and Forster - yet the accounts say we made only 6.77m from the gain on player registrations.
Obviously getting paid in installments
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I can't imagine my boss being comfortable that my strategy is sound if I tell him I've been overseeing a 20% reduction in revenue :lol:
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Adam Smith 11
11 Sep 2015, 05:21 PM
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jack-daniels1981
11 Sep 2015, 04:51 PM

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Making group stage last year would have got us 8.6m and 12 this year. Say we won 2 games :ph43r: Another 5 mill. couple of draws another million

Just under 27 million and remember we got money for europa league so just a bit shy of 50 million :thumbsup:

edit and that is in euros so under £20million :doh: :lol:

Not that I agree with full initial argument but what about TV Pool money?

This is a significant amount given we would collect all of it. Could have been at least 10 million euro per year using rough calculations.

We did and will make money from the EL so that would reduce the impact of no CL but i don't know how much the El was worth. the Inter Milan game alone must have been worth a few quid.

I just did some very rough calculations to show it was nowhere near £50m
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11 Sep 2015, 05:41 PM
Adam Smith 11
11 Sep 2015, 05:21 PM
kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:02 PM

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Not that I agree with full initial argument but what about TV Pool money?

This is a significant amount given we would collect all of it. Could have been at least 10 million euro per year using rough calculations.

We did and will make money from the EL so that would reduce the impact of no CL but i don't know how much the El was worth. the Inter Milan game alone must have been worth a few quid.

I just did some very rough calculations to show it was nowhere near £50m
It felt like 50m tho :boxer:
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Revenue down 20% ? eff me.

I can't even bring myself to read Lawwell's statement proclaiming his intent to make us a 'world class club' and how we all need to pull together blah blah blah.
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Ronny Roars
11 Sep 2015, 05:37 PM
murphio
11 Sep 2015, 05:16 PM
paulfg42
11 Sep 2015, 05:14 PM
Revenues down 20% but the strategy is sound?

Made a loss because we didn't sell van Dijk?

FFS. Clueless just doesn't cover it.
We did though sell Watt and Forster - yet the accounts say we made only 6.77m from the gain on player registrations.
Obviously getting paid in installments
That must be the case - and I guess Lawwell was happy enough to spread the fees out a bit, making our failure to qualify for the group stages easier to swallow when next year's figures are released.
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murphio
11 Sep 2015, 06:32 PM
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11 Sep 2015, 05:37 PM
murphio
11 Sep 2015, 05:16 PM

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Obviously getting paid in installments
That must be the case - and I guess Lawwell was happy enough to spread the fees out a bit, making our failure to qualify for the group stages easier to swallow when next year's figures are released.
May well be getting paid in instalments but that doesn't impact how it would be reported in the P&L account.I said at the time, Newcastle had a huge sell on fee on Forster (30% was number I heard), so that would explain part of the lower than expected profit.
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remy mcswain
11 Sep 2015, 06:35 PM
murphio
11 Sep 2015, 06:32 PM
Ronny Roars
11 Sep 2015, 05:37 PM

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That must be the case - and I guess Lawwell was happy enough to spread the fees out a bit, making our failure to qualify for the group stages easier to swallow when next year's figures are released.
May well be getting paid in instalments but that doesn't impact how it would be reported in the P&L account.I said at the time, Newcastle had a huge sell on fee on Forster (30% was number I heard), so that would explain part of the lower than expected profit.
When you consider the fee for Watt aswell - that does appear on the low side.
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This is my favourite bit:
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Off the pitch, it was also a challenging year. Our decision not to transfer certain players registration during the period......had a significant impact on revenues and profits.

Not to worry Peter - you sold him this year so that will cover your backside for next year's loss of revenue. Idiot.
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murphio
11 Sep 2015, 07:01 PM
This is my favourite bit:
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Off the pitch, it was also a challenging year. Our decision not to transfer certain players registration during the period......had a significant impact on revenues and profits.

Not to worry Peter - you sold him this year so that will cover your backside for next year's loss of revenue. Idiot.
It's as if he done us a favour that we should all be thankful for. What a ridiculous statement to put in a set of accounts.
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What a bunch of ingrates,if it wasn't for the salary Lawwell would turn round and say 'ok youse run it better '
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kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:41 PM
Adam Smith 11
11 Sep 2015, 05:21 PM
kevtic
11 Sep 2015, 05:02 PM

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Not that I agree with full initial argument but what about TV Pool money?

This is a significant amount given we would collect all of it. Could have been at least 10 million euro per year using rough calculations.

We did and will make money from the EL so that would reduce the impact of no CL but i don't know how much the El was worth. the Inter Milan game alone must have been worth a few quid.

I just did some very rough calculations to show it was nowhere near £50m
The €8.6m figure quoted doesn't include either the Market Pool or the Playoff money though. The last time we qualified and finished bottom of the group we made €19.67m (honestly! :potm: ) in UEFA prize money alone:

- €8.60m from participating
- €7.97m from the market pool
- €2.10m from competing in the playoff
- €1.00m for our solitary win

Last year we would have made the same €20m from qualifying. That's before ticket sales, increased merchandising and other fringe benefits such as an increase in player values.

This year would have been even higher as our market pool payout would have increased substantially based on BT's new TV deal and the €8.6m fee has increased to €12m as you mentioned. As it is we have pocketed €3m from losing in the playoff.

Failure to qualify in the last 2 years has costs us close to €50m in prize money alone (north of £35m) before you account for ticket sales and anything else.
Edited by Lawlerm, 11 Sep 2015, 07:13 PM.
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Ned Rise
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Would be nice to have a board that were interested in building a team.

All we have is a board that likes to manage expectations while running it down through the fasttrack sales of the better players. And now even that's not working.

What's left for them to do with this strategy? It's failed on the pitch in Europe (and often domestically where we regularly get knocked out of cups by teams with a fraction of our resources) and it's failed on the fabled balance sheet.
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So Lawwell is failing both on and off the pitch... when are we getting rid of this idiot?
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