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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,829 Views)
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Faust
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6 Sep 2015, 11:00 AM
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- 5 Sep 2015, 09:31 PM
PL is going to do his pontius pilate
RD is going to feel the heat very shortly
PL will position this as he was well supported and failed nothing more could be done - he talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk
It's actually shameful that this arrogant oaf can manoeuvre people so easily and fail time after time in his role
I actually feel sorry for RD but then again if Lennon couldn't see how he was being stitched up how could a no 2 from a small Norwegian club take him on
We live in hope that maybe one day people on the board will see pl for the ingrate tthat he is Well said, sir.
Expect an even more nauseating & manipulative video for this years AGM.
It's going to be such a squirrelfest I fully expect David Attenborough to be the presenter.
For Gods sake go, DD & PL. Just go.
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geezerbhoy
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6 Sep 2015, 12:23 PM
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- 4 Sep 2015, 11:42 PM
Lawwell has took a risk every year not making significant signings until our champions league fate is decided, was the same under Lennon. If we had spent a few million on a couple of decent players we would have had a better chance of qualifying each year and would of made a fortune in champions league revenue. But no Lawwell would rather take a gamble and try get us in to the group stages spending as little as possible. Putting the whole transfer dealings to the side, Lawwell is still a complete tit in dealing with other aspects of the club. From not paying staff the living wage to zero hour contracts to not having a charity as our sponsor. Lawwell would probably have voted to allow Sevco in to the SPL if it wasn't from the pressure the fans put on him. The club even had plans in place to change season ticket prices only if the huns got promoted last season ffs. I'm sure I even read somewhere that we didn't even have a club doctor with us during that friendly with Real Madrid when McGeough got injured due to cut backs, astonishing. Something really must be done to bring about change or we're going to be seeing the same thing continue. Getting some sort of fan ownership/representation on the board is definitely the way forward. I could ramble on all night about my hatred for Lawwell. ive read some pish on this thread , but that is sensational
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6 Sep 2015, 01:14 PM
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I` d be assuming that Lawwell would not have been able to implement the current transfer policy as well as anything else significant without being given the go ahead from DD so as long as Lawwell remains in place we would have to be thinking that DD thinks he is doing a good job.
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paulfg42
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6 Sep 2015, 01:38 PM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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Lawwell has took a risk every year not making significant signings until our champions league fate is decided, was the same under Lennon. If we had spent a few million on a couple of decent players we would have had a better chance of qualifying each year and would of made a fortune in champions league revenue. But no Lawwell would rather take a gamble and try get us in to the group stages spending as little as possible. Putting the whole transfer dealings to the side, Lawwell is still a complete tit in dealing with other aspects of the club. From not paying staff the living wage to zero hour contracts to not having a charity as our sponsor. Lawwell would probably have voted to allow Sevco in to the SPL if it wasn't from the pressure the fans put on him. The club even had plans in place to change season ticket prices only if the huns got promoted last season ffs. I'm sure I even read somewhere that we didn't even have a club doctor with us during that friendly with Real Madrid when McGeough got injured due to cut backs, astonishing. Something really must be done to bring about change or we're going to be seeing the same thing continue. Getting some sort of fan ownership/representation on the board is definitely the way forward. I could ramble on all night about my hatred for Lawwell.
ive read some pish on this thread , but that is sensational Maybe once you extricate yourself from PL's pocket, you might explain why you think it is sensational pish?
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Midfield Maestro
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6 Sep 2015, 02:11 PM
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- 4 Sep 2015, 09:23 AM
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Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then? You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?
I'm a chartered accountant, dude. Part of having a professional qualification is abiding by ethical codes, so yeah, I will criticise people for not complying with good practice, particularly if it's something as fundamental as corporate governance.. What aspect do you think he isn't complying with, out of interest?
The provisions on length of service in the Code deal with independent non-execs, not chief execs.
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6 Sep 2015, 06:27 PM
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- 5 Sep 2015, 09:31 PM
PL is going to do his pontius pilate
RD is going to feel the heat very shortly
PL will position this as he was well supported and failed nothing more could be done - he talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk
It's actually shameful that this arrogant oaf can manoeuvre people so easily and fail time after time in his role
I actually feel sorry for RD but then again if Lennon couldn't see how he was being stitched up how could a no 2 from a small Norwegian club take him on
We live in hope that maybe one day people on the board will see pl for the ingrate tthat he is Which is why he jumped whilst he still could.
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6 Sep 2015, 07:01 PM
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We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to improve the squad with no real serious domestic opposition. I would say we are in worse shape than we were 4 years ago. Totally agree with this.
It's the lack of ambition that kills me.
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8 Sep 2015, 05:27 PM
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*edit on dates*
Go back to season 2008/9. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2008 and not Jan 2009. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.
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8 Sep 2015, 05:47 PM
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I have no business expertise - probably like many on here - so I don't know how good or bad a job PL does on the non playing side of the business. However he is only an employee and just carries out the policy outlined by DD and the board. I see that today he has been re-elected to the ECA board. He also is doing work with the SFA and SPFL. Could it be possible that he is trying to wear too many hats at one time? I also think that part of the problem is that the money all idea was a good idea at its inception but that it has not been refreshed nor updated. Could also be possible that he is just on a bit and gone a bit stale doing the same things all the time out of habit. We need fresh blood and fresh ideas to take the club forward but unfortunately DD controls the strings, getting shot of PL is pointless if all that happens is that his boy gets his job! Biggest decision a board should take is the appointment of the manager. Our last two should never have been considered suitable candidates! Neither could knock back the opportunity once it was offered.as others have said if we had appointed a manager with the requisite experience and proven ability then we would have had a much better chance of qualifying for the CL and doing a domestic treble!
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8 Sep 2015, 08:49 PM
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- 4 Sep 2015, 11:42 PM
Lawwell has took a risk every year not making significant signings until our champions league fate is decided, was the same under Lennon. If we had spent a few million on a couple of decent players we would have had a better chance of qualifying each year and would of made a fortune in champions league revenue. But no Lawwell would rather take a gamble and try get us in to the group stages spending as little as possible. Putting the whole transfer dealings to the side, Lawwell is still a complete tit in dealing with other aspects of the club. From not paying staff the living wage to zero hour contracts to not having a charity as our sponsor. Lawwell would probably have voted to allow Sevco in to the SPL if it wasn't from the pressure the fans put on him. The club even had plans in place to change season ticket prices only if the huns got promoted last season ffs. I'm sure I even read somewhere that we didn't even have a club doctor with us during that friendly with Real Madrid when McGeough got injured due to cut backs, astonishing. Something really must be done to bring about change or we're going to be seeing the same thing continue. Getting some sort of fan ownership/representation on the board is definitely the way forward. I could ramble on all night about my hatred for Lawwell.
ive read some pish on this thread , but that is sensational can't see a whole lot wrong with it myself tbh
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8 Sep 2015, 08:51 PM
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Go back to season 2007/8. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2007 and not Jan 2008. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.

Absolutely spot on. I doff my cap.
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8 Sep 2015, 08:53 PM
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- 4 Sep 2015, 09:38 AM
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I'm a chartered accountant, dude. Part of having a professional qualification is abiding by ethical codes, so yeah, I will criticise people for not complying with good practice, particularly if it's something as fundamental as corporate governance..
What aspect do you think he isn't complying with, out of interest? The provisions on length of service in the Code deal with independent non-execs, not chief execs. The NEDs have all been there too long and the remuneration committee has too much history with Lawwell.
A chief exec should never be in post for 12/13 years. Way too long.
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8 Sep 2015, 08:59 PM
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Go back to season 2007/8. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2007 and not Jan 2008. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.
 Absolutely spot on. I doff my cap. I concur.
Sums up my thoughts exactly. Celtic seems to be a place full of ***** telling each other they are doing a great job while in reality they are incompetent at best.
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8 Sep 2015, 09:04 PM
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Go back to season 2007/8. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2007 and not Jan 2008. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.
 Absolutely spot on. I doff my cap.
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Go back to season 2007/8. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2007 and not Jan 2008. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.
Hear, hear.
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8 Sep 2015, 09:20 PM
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Brilliant post Corky Buczek. Spot on
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8 Sep 2015, 09:29 PM
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- Corky Buczek
- 8 Sep 2015, 05:27 PM
Go back to season 2007/8. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2007 and not Jan 2008. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.
2008/09*
NitpickyCSC
Seriously tho, bang on the money
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- Corky Buczek
- 8 Sep 2015, 05:27 PM
Go back to season 2007/8. Much has been said about the failure to land Steven Fletcher when our strikers couldn't buy a goal.
But the malaise started in the summer of 2007 and not Jan 2008. Strachan asked for a centre half and a holding midfielder. We ended up with Crosas and Loovens and so began the now annual trawl of the fag end of the transfer market come the end of August each year .
The following year saw Mowbray hired after Owen Coyle turned us down after a botched PL negotiation. Mowbray thought he was going to get another centre half before the season started but it never materialised - a scenario that the two subsequent managers have both experienced. In all fairness a new centre half wouldn't have stopped the train wreck that was Mogga, although I have long since argued that all he did was continue in the same vein as he done with WBA the season before.
And so Neil Lennon was hired. A manager with no experience who had lost a semi final against lower division opposition - and on a salary of less than half what PL was earning. He would also have to get used to his assets being sold and then much of that money being used to cover the losses. In fairness after a sluggish start, Lenny started to win over the doubters like myself. We made CL twice - even making the last 16. Although the second time it was by the skin of our teeth.
The second CL qualification occurred after our now legendary transfer policy of wait and see as to how we progress in Europe began. It was clear during that season that Lennon was getting fed up with it. I'm not one of ones on this board that knew some of the previous coaching staff but it came as no surprise to me that Lennon packed it in when he did.
And so to Ronnie. Someone who initially was all set to be our assistant gets the top job after the likes of Roy Keane and Henrik turn us down. The idea that these two would have made good Celtic managers should set the alarm bells ringing never mind the fact we ended up with the guy who was earmarked to be their assistant.
Last summer saw shambles of a transfer window as we signed various players on loan (after the manager saying he didn't fancy such a scenario) but none in time to stop our possibly worst ever August in Europe as we were thrashed home and away by Legia and duffed by the giant that is Maribor. To go onto these games with Anthony Stokes as a lone striker really tells you all you need to now about how badly we were prepared. After a dreadful start, we seemed to find some kind of form and after - for once - a decent window in January, we had 4 in a row.
Then along comes another summer. We knew at the start that we would have to find two new centre halves as Denayer was not going to stay and this was VVD's last season. Ronnie wanted a left back and given that Guidetti was going to go and there were clearly question marks against Scepovic, we were going to need at least one probably two strikers.
So how have we done. Long term aim is for Boyata and Simovic to replace VVD and Denayer. Boyata gives you the fear on the ball and big Croat wiil take time to adjust and probably needs to toughen up if we are to believe reports, quotes and some comments from Zagreb fans. It could well be that Blackett plays at centre half for much of this season. At left back, after agreeing terms and fee for Mitchell Dijks, we then ended up with nobody. PL it seems, wants us to believe that was no other left back out there that was improvement on Charlie or Izzy - both on whom would be spectacularly bad over the two legs against Malmo.
As for the strikers, by all accounts Ronnie wanted Ciftci and we fought off Wigan for his signature. Enuff said - I suspect that will come back to haunt him. To not even bother replacing Scepovic is just negligence. As with Steven Fletcher at the start of this post, PL has rolled the dice once more and erred on the side of doing NOT enough to get by.
We currently have a Chief Exec who gets paid double what the management team does. His salary has gone on leaps and bounds whilst attendances and turnover falls and we have qualified just twice for the CL in seven seasons. In that time the likes of Braga, Utrecht, Happoel Tel Aviv, Maribor and Malmo have fed us our dinner in Europe with technicalities preventing Legia and Sion from joining that list. If you want to go back a further season in 2007/8, we finished bottom of a CL group behind Copenhagen.
In the past seven seasons, we have won 4 leagues, two league cups and two Scottish Cups. 8 trophies in total when for the past three years, there has been no real challenge. Is that good enough ? Is that enough to justify the CEO as the second highest paid person at the club ?
We hire rockie managers who blew it in Europe to begin with. I don't doubt that RD must have the finger pointed at him for getting caught on the break after 57 minutes when 2-0 up at home, but why are we hiring managers with no experience.
I'm sure that balance sheet s great but you don't need to hire a CEO on £1M a year if all you are going to do sell and rationalise the business. If you read the likes of CQN, there are those who think PL and the board are some sort of alchemists, turning raw material into gold. Well 2 visits to the CL in seven years and only eight domestic trophies in that time, really should put paid to such nonsense.
Under PL and DD we are going nowhere. If the pressure gets to much for Deila this year, then expect him to be replaced by another novice or a great former player with a chequered managerial career. They will not prepare properly for European qualifiers, That is the extent of the ambition.
If another Scottish club ever did get its act together, we would struggle because those running Celtic seem to think they are doing a great job when actually they are failing badly.
2008/09* NitpickyCSC Seriously tho, bang on the money
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