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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,831 Views)
paulfg42
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kingbhoyd
4 Sep 2015, 02:30 PM
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4 Sep 2015, 01:26 PM
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4 Sep 2015, 09:38 AM

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I'm a chartered accountant, dude. Part of having a professional qualification is abiding by ethical codes, so yeah, I will criticise people for not complying with good practice, particularly if it's something as fundamental as corporate governance..
i don't get your point, dude - what on earth does a professional qualification with an ethical code have to do with it? so if i'm a qualified medic the same applies? you're confusing ethical codes, good practice and regulation and law, three separate things.

i'm studying acca, i'm fully aware of accountancy ethics, and its importance in that profession. you'll note that i said corporate governance in practice, not some code, nor regulations - this isn't accountancy, its what works in business, and i would think that dermot desmond probably knows a thing or two about what works best in the boardroom and for his businesses.

That is where the problem lies - seeing Celtic as a business rather than a football club, a way of providing entertainment to supporters.
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4 Sep 2015, 12:37 AM

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The Barca result was a one off and you know it. We could play them another 10 games in a row and get gubbed. In fact didn't they really give
us a going over the next time we played them. And we know that their players are far superior to ours. So that comparison is not on.
Of course fitba is team game and you also have to have a talent to fit into the team. Malmo had that type of player and if you do not accept that Malmo
were superior to Celtic in those two games then " end of discussion"Your claim that the Celtic reject was their best player is a joke.
You watched Malmo twice on T.V. I take it and judge that all of our players are better than theirs. Aye o.k. then
I saw something different and Malmo are on their way to the group stages.

Did Barca give us a going over the next time we played them?

No.
o.k. it was the next game.
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs - any business whose customers are dissatisfied has problems. Maybe that is unfair, maybe it's not. Nonetheless it's a reality.
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4 Sep 2015, 02:14 PM

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I don't seek to impose any sort of reality, nor suggest that mine is superior. I merely suggest that the picture might not be as bleak as some around here suggest. My late mother used to say "fools and weans shouldn't see things done". Over the years (and I'm now in my 7th decade) that's often been proved to be true.

Too many on here seem happier to rush to judgement especially around new players rather than giving them an opportunity to show how well or poorly they can play.

"That would be too much like tuning in to reality."

That line, whether you meant it to read like it or not implies the issues posted on here aren't in tune with reality thereby imposing your own reality.

Malmo wasn't a one off freak result. The same happened last year, first with Legia then Maribor. We made hard work for ourselves against Karagandy the year before that, had it not been for the wood work we wouldn't have made the Champions League that year either. We got past Qarabag 1-0 over 2 legs this season. Every tie mentioned there should be winnable for Celtic and a couple should have been comfortbale when they weren't.

The picture isn't all bleak, due to having no credible contender we're probably going to win the league for at least another few seasons. The board know this and we've seen the squad trimmed and reduced in quality. This is the issue most of us have.

On the coaching side of it, as has been mentioned we looked legged against Malmo as the 2 games went on. Deila and Collins are self proclaimed fitness fanatics and you'd expect the squad to be well into a fitness regime that should help us see out games against teams of Malmo's level. The fact we couldn't is a failure in that respect.

If you see 5 wins from 6 in the league, with the squad we currently have and no Champions League football yet again as everything being rosey in the garden that is your choice. I wish I was as easily pleased as you.
Without getting into a whole philosophical discussion around reality, my contention is that things may not always be just the way that either you or I perceive them to be and so it is a more prudent course to look at things from a longer perspective. I'm glad that in your argument you have chosen to do the same.

I take your underlying position to be that, compared with several years ago, the club is in a weaker position on many fronts. If I judge that correctly then in many respects I would not disagree with you. We have not qualified for two years on the trot for the group stages of the CL and in the campaign when we last did, we only got there by the skin of our teeth.

You seem however to start however from a position that we all criticise our "friends" across the city over, namely "we belong in...." "our rightful place... " etc. Forgive me if I misread your position. In Celtic's case the argument seems to proceed on the basis of any one of, or a combination of one or more of, the size of the fan base, the size of the stadium, the size of the wage bill, the standard of our training facilities etc etc. Yet to use Malmo as an example they have qualified for the group stages two years on the trot. I'm no expert, however I do believe that the team which got them there last season is different in many respects from the team that got them there this season. So they must be doing something consistently well to get those results.

We could argue up and down all day long on each little aspect of what makes up a club and what makes up a successful team, but the reality I perceive is that at the present time we are in a transitional stage. We have a new manager. Time will tell whether he is the "emperor's new clothes" or the "messiah" or any number of different things in between. If I hear him correctly, he wants a fitter team, a smaller squad, a settled squad, a squad of players with an open mind-set who will respond to his people centred philosophies and who above all play attractive football - a style the fans want to turn up to watch. Only time will tell how it will all turn out. I do believe however that the club/board are willing to give him that time, so long as it is perceived by them that progress is being made. I think (and this is probably true of most football managers) that it will be the media followed by the fans who will engineer Deila's downfall if this is how it all ends.

Transition takes time and sometimes things get a lot worse before they get better - that's just life. I don't think I can be described as what I see termed on here as a "happy clappy". I just prefer to look at the bigger picture. I would venture to suggest, however, that at the end of last season, the majority of fans were happy with Mr D's first term in office. How quickly it seems to have turned round, that for many it's time to dust down the pitchforks.

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Regardless of the rights and wrongs - any business whose customers are dissatisfied has problems. Maybe that is unfair, maybe it's not. Nonetheless it's a reality.
Of course it's a problem because if customers are unhappy with a business they will take their business elsewhere.Football is the exception in that customers are supporters and if we're unhappy we can't support another club and it's the loyalty of the supporters which lets our board get away with letting the standard of the product ,the team, decline every year.
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4 Sep 2015, 03:38 PM
Regardless of the rights and wrongs - any business whose customers are dissatisfied has problems. Maybe that is unfair, maybe it's not. Nonetheless it's a reality.
Of course it's a problem because if customers are unhappy with a business they will take their business elsewhere.Football is the exception in that customers are supporters and if we're unhappy we can't support another club and it's the loyalty of the supporters which lets our board get away with letting the standard of the product ,the team, decline every year.
But the dissatisfaction is being demonstrated week on week by growing swathes of empty seats. Even people who have paid are voting with their feet and finding something else to do with their time. And it's only going to get worse. My fear is that the club are sitting waiting for the rebirth of the Celtic Rangers paradigm in the hope the missing 25,000 will come back. Maybe they will - I tend to think the problems run deeper than that. To me the club is losing connection with its supporters and has been for some time. Something has to be done about that.
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4 Sep 2015, 02:27 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepimpose any sort of reality, nor suggest that mine is superior. I merely suggest that the picture might not be as bleak as some around here suggest. My late mother used to say "fools and weans shouldn't see things done". Over the years (and I'm now in my 7th decade) that's often been proved to be true.

Too many on here seem happier to rush to judgement especially around new players rather than giving them an opportunity to show how well or poorly they can play.

"That would be too much like tuning in to reality."

That line, whether you meant it to read like it or not implies the issues posted on here aren't in tune with reality thereby imposing your own reality.

Malmo wasn't a one off freak result. The same happened last year, first with Legia then Maribor. We made hard work for ourselves against Karagandy the year before that, had it not been for the wood work we wouldn't have made the Champions League that year either. We got past Qarabag 1-0 over 2 legs this season. Every tie mentioned there should be winnable for Celtic and a couple should have been comfortbale when they weren't.

The picture isn't all bleak, due to having no credible contender we're probably going to win the league for at least another few seasons. The board know this and we've seen the squad trimmed and reduced in quality. This is the issue most of us have.

On the coaching side of it, as has been mentioned we looked legged against Malmo as the 2 games went on. Deila and Collins are self proclaimed fitness fanatics and you'd expect the squad to be well into a fitness regime that should help us see out games against teams of Malmo's level. The fact we couldn't is a failure in that respect.

If you see 5 wins from 6 in the league, with the squad we currently have and no Champions League football yet again as everything being rosey in the garden that is your choice. I wish I was as easily pleased as you.
Without getting into a whole philosophical discussion around reality, my contention is that things may not always be just the way that either you or I perceive them to be and so it is a more prudent course to look at things from a longer perspective. I'm glad that in your argument you have chosen to do the same.

I take your underlying position to be that, compared with several years ago, the club is in a weaker position on many fronts. If I judge that correctly then in many respects I would not disagree with you. We have not qualified for two years on the trot for the group stages of the CL and in the campaign when we last did, we only got there by the skin of our teeth.

You seem however to start however from a position that we all criticise our "friends" across the city over, namely "we belong in...." "our rightful place... " etc. Forgive me if I misread your position. In Celtic's case the argument seems to proceed on the basis of any one of, or a combination of one or more of, the size of the fan base, the size of the stadium, the size of the wage bill, the standard of our training facilities etc etc. Yet to use Malmo as an example they have qualified for the group stages two years on the trot. I'm no expert, however I do believe that the team which got them there last season is different in many respects from the team that got them there this season. So they must be doing something consistently well to get those results.

We could argue up and down all day long on each little aspect of what makes up a club and what makes up a successful team, but the reality I perceive is that at the present time we are in a transitional stage. We have a new manager. Time will tell whether he is the "emperor's new clothes" or the "messiah" or any number of different things in between. If I hear him correctly, he wants a fitter team, a smaller squad, a settled squad, a squad of players with an open mind-set who will respond to his people centred philosophies and who above all play attractive football - a style the fans want to turn up to watch. Only time will tell how it will all turn out. I do believe however that the club/board are willing to give him that time, so long as it is perceived by them that progress is being made. I think (and this is probably true of most football managers) that it will be the media followed by the fans who will engineer Deila's downfall if this is how it all ends.

Transition takes time and sometimes things get a lot worse before they get better - that's just life. I don't think I can be described as what I see termed on here as a "happy clappy". I just prefer to look at the bigger picture. I would venture to suggest, however, that at the end of last season, the majority of fans were happy with Mr D's first term in office. How quickly it seems to have turned round, that for many it's time to dust down the pitchforks.

Alleluia, Alleluia,Alleluia!

At last, at long last, a member with sense posts the truth on here.

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searcher52
4 Sep 2015, 02:27 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepimpose any sort of reality, nor suggest that mine is superior. I merely suggest that the picture might not be as bleak as some around here suggest. My late mother used to say "fools and weans shouldn't see things done". Over the years (and I'm now in my 7th decade) that's often been proved to be true.

Too many on here seem happier to rush to judgement especially around new players rather than giving them an opportunity to show how well or poorly they can play.

"That would be too much like tuning in to reality."

That line, whether you meant it to read like it or not implies the issues posted on here aren't in tune with reality thereby imposing your own reality.

Malmo wasn't a one off freak result. The same happened last year, first with Legia then Maribor. We made hard work for ourselves against Karagandy the year before that, had it not been for the wood work we wouldn't have made the Champions League that year either. We got past Qarabag 1-0 over 2 legs this season. Every tie mentioned there should be winnable for Celtic and a couple should have been comfortbale when they weren't.

The picture isn't all bleak, due to having no credible contender we're probably going to win the league for at least another few seasons. The board know this and we've seen the squad trimmed and reduced in quality. This is the issue most of us have.

On the coaching side of it, as has been mentioned we looked legged against Malmo as the 2 games went on. Deila and Collins are self proclaimed fitness fanatics and you'd expect the squad to be well into a fitness regime that should help us see out games against teams of Malmo's level. The fact we couldn't is a failure in that respect.

If you see 5 wins from 6 in the league, with the squad we currently have and no Champions League football yet again as everything being rosey in the garden that is your choice. I wish I was as easily pleased as you.
Without getting into a whole philosophical discussion around reality, my contention is that things may not always be just the way that either you or I perceive them to be and so it is a more prudent course to look at things from a longer perspective. I'm glad that in your argument you have chosen to do the same.

I take your underlying position to be that, compared with several years ago, the club is in a weaker position on many fronts. If I judge that correctly then in many respects I would not disagree with you. We have not qualified for two years on the trot for the group stages of the CL and in the campaign when we last did, we only got there by the skin of our teeth.

You seem however to start however from a position that we all criticise our "friends" across the city over, namely "we belong in...." "our rightful place... " etc. Forgive me if I misread your position. In Celtic's case the argument seems to proceed on the basis of any one of, or a combination of one or more of, the size of the fan base, the size of the stadium, the size of the wage bill, the standard of our training facilities etc etc. Yet to use Malmo as an example they have qualified for the group stages two years on the trot. I'm no expert, however I do believe that the team which got them there last season is different in many respects from the team that got them there this season. So they must be doing something consistently well to get those results.

We could argue up and down all day long on each little aspect of what makes up a club and what makes up a successful team, but the reality I perceive is that at the present time we are in a transitional stage. We have a new manager. Time will tell whether he is the "emperor's new clothes" or the "messiah" or any number of different things in between. If I hear him correctly, he wants a fitter team, a smaller squad, a settled squad, a squad of players with an open mind-set who will respond to his people centred philosophies and who above all play attractive football - a style the fans want to turn up to watch. Only time will tell how it will all turn out. I do believe however that the club/board are willing to give him that time, so long as it is perceived by them that progress is being made. I think (and this is probably true of most football managers) that it will be the media followed by the fans who will engineer Deila's downfall if this is how it all ends.

Transition takes time and sometimes things get a lot worse before they get better - that's just life. I don't think I can be described as what I see termed on here as a "happy clappy". I just prefer to look at the bigger picture. I would venture to suggest, however, that at the end of last season, the majority of fans were happy with Mr D's first term in office. How quickly it seems to have turned round, that for many it's time to dust down the pitchforks.

Celtic have no more 'right' than Barcelona or Berwick Rangers to be in the Champions League. That is not the point I and I'm guessing anyone else is making.

Ciftci didn't cost us much less than the entire Malmo squad. So in the same respect that we would expect to beat any SPL side over 2 legs we should be looking for better when the vast difference in revenues of some of the teams we face in the Champions League qualifiers are looked at.

Money doesn't buy you the right to anything, however there is something fundamentally wrong when each year we struggle against teams with far, far less resources than us.

Last year could be put down to transition, we could clearly see an improvement as the season went on under Deila. But the same excuse can't be made for the Malmo tie. It was a fairly settled team we had and they bottled it along with looking like they were running on sand for the last 20 mins/half an hour.

Teams and managers can show progress then regress. The signings as a whole aren't down to Deila, he can have an input and the board can act on his wishes if they like (like Ciftci). Deila is a coach, not a manager so the main thing to look at when judging him is how well players are playing and how fit the team are. For me performance levels as a whole have dropped since last season, GMS and Johansen the main concerns I have. Fitness and concentration also seems to be down from last season with Inverness and Malmo clear examples.


I like Deila, I'm not calling for him to go. There is only so much you can do when given a sub standard squad. However he has failed twice now to get into the Champions League as already pointed out against teams who would bite our hand off for the money we spend on our squad.

We are under investing if we want to make any impact in the Champions League and we aren't investing wisely to get past teams we should be looking to beat in qualifiers. It is a messy mixture and it's only going to lead to more of the same each season.
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4 Sep 2015, 02:27 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepimpose any sort of reality, nor suggest that mine is superior. I merely suggest that the picture might not be as bleak as some around here suggest. My late mother used to say "fools and weans shouldn't see things done". Over the years (and I'm now in my 7th decade) that's often been proved to be true.

Too many on here seem happier to rush to judgement especially around new players rather than giving them an opportunity to show how well or poorly they can play.

"That would be too much like tuning in to reality."

That line, whether you meant it to read like it or not implies the issues posted on here aren't in tune with reality thereby imposing your own reality.

Malmo wasn't a one off freak result. The same happened last year, first with Legia then Maribor. We made hard work for ourselves against Karagandy the year before that, had it not been for the wood work we wouldn't have made the Champions League that year either. We got past Qarabag 1-0 over 2 legs this season. Every tie mentioned there should be winnable for Celtic and a couple should have been comfortbale when they weren't.

The picture isn't all bleak, due to having no credible contender we're probably going to win the league for at least another few seasons. The board know this and we've seen the squad trimmed and reduced in quality. This is the issue most of us have.

On the coaching side of it, as has been mentioned we looked legged against Malmo as the 2 games went on. Deila and Collins are self proclaimed fitness fanatics and you'd expect the squad to be well into a fitness regime that should help us see out games against teams of Malmo's level. The fact we couldn't is a failure in that respect.

If you see 5 wins from 6 in the league, with the squad we currently have and no Champions League football yet again as everything being rosey in the garden that is your choice. I wish I was as easily pleased as you.
Without getting into a whole philosophical discussion around reality, my contention is that things may not always be just the way that either you or I perceive them to be and so it is a more prudent course to look at things from a longer perspective. I'm glad that in your argument you have chosen to do the same.

I take your underlying position to be that, compared with several years ago, the club is in a weaker position on many fronts. If I judge that correctly then in many respects I would not disagree with you. We have not qualified for two years on the trot for the group stages of the CL and in the campaign when we last did, we only got there by the skin of our teeth.

You seem however to start however from a position that we all criticise our "friends" across the city over, namely "we belong in...." "our rightful place... " etc. Forgive me if I misread your position. In Celtic's case the argument seems to proceed on the basis of any one of, or a combination of one or more of, the size of the fan base, the size of the stadium, the size of the wage bill, the standard of our training facilities etc etc. Yet to use Malmo as an example they have qualified for the group stages two years on the trot. I'm no expert, however I do believe that the team which got them there last season is different in many respects from the team that got them there this season. So they must be doing something consistently well to get those results.

We could argue up and down all day long on each little aspect of what makes up a club and what makes up a successful team, but the reality I perceive is that at the present time we are in a transitional stage. We have a new manager. Time will tell whether he is the "emperor's new clothes" or the "messiah" or any number of different things in between. If I hear him correctly, he wants a fitter team, a smaller squad, a settled squad, a squad of players with an open mind-set who will respond to his people centred philosophies and who above all play attractive football - a style the fans want to turn up to watch. Only time will tell how it will all turn out. I do believe however that the club/board are willing to give him that time, so long as it is perceived by them that progress is being made. I think (and this is probably true of most football managers) that it will be the media followed by the fans who will engineer Deila's downfall if this is how it all ends.

Transition takes time and sometimes things get a lot worse before they get better - that's just life. I don't think I can be described as what I see termed on here as a "happy clappy". I just prefer to look at the bigger picture. I would venture to suggest, however, that at the end of last season, the majority of fans were happy with Mr D's first term in office. How quickly it seems to have turned round, that for many it's time to dust down the pitchforks.

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The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



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Totally agree. Lawwell has been in charge long enough (more than long enough, given the guidelines in the UK's corporate governance code). This is his organisation, and its failings are his failings.
Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then?

You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?

Sevilliano has forgotten more about corporate governance than you will ever know and, sadly, that's a fact.
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Holy Feck, this makes depressing reading. :o

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtics-strikers-200506-201516-scottish-6375760
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You seem to be saying no one has a right to anything, yet you then appear to go on to suggest that because we have bigger resources we should be doing better. For me it's the eternal "does size matter?" argument. To which of course the answer is -"No, it's what you do with it that counts".

So in that vein - and not drifting off into why it might be that the wage bill at Celtic in the SPFL can be higher than a similar club in a comparable league - might the question be "Are Celtic using what they have wisely? " This to me is where Deila's desire for a smaller squad seems to come in. Lower the wage bill but spend it on better quality. And before you slap me down, for me, the jury is still out on the quality of the players who have been brought in.

When looking at the games against Malmo I would suggest that the game in Sweden could have been largely an irrelevance had Celtic a) taken all their chances at CP and/or b) not taken their eye off the ball with less than 60 seconds on the clock. The cup semi last season against ICT wasn't in my view lost because of refereeing incompetence (though that was present in spades) but rather through a combination of errors that left us a man short. Many times in sport it's the very small margins that turn things.

Can I also say in conclusion that I am amazed sometimes by the degree to which posters here seem to have an insight into the day to day running of Celtic.

"The signings as a whole aren't down to Deila, he can have an input and the board can act on his wishes if they like (like Ciftci)."

Do you know this or is this your own perception?


Edit: I made a mess of quoting at different levels!
Edited by searcher52, 4 Sep 2015, 05:05 PM.
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How long does the jury stay out?

Can you not have a longer term view of Deila's management whilst still being critical of the board's approach over many more years?
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...let's fill our team full of Scottish players...

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Fortune Teller
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Lawwell runs the SFA as well......

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4 Sep 2015, 06:52 PM
...let's fill our team full of Scottish players...

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searcher52
4 Sep 2015, 05:03 PM
You seem to be saying no one has a right to anything, yet you then appear to go on to suggest that because we have bigger resources we should be doing better. For me it's the eternal "does size matter?" argument. To which of course the answer is -"No, it's what you do with it that counts".

So in that vein - and not drifting off into why it might be that the wage bill at Celtic in the SPFL can be higher than a similar club in a comparable league - might the question be "Are Celtic using what they have wisely? " This to me is where Deila's desire for a smaller squad seems to come in. Lower the wage bill but spend it on better quality. And before you slap me down, for me, the jury is still out on the quality of the players who have been brought in.

When looking at the games against Malmo I would suggest that the game in Sweden could have been largely an irrelevance had Celtic a) taken all their chances at CP and/or b) not taken their eye off the ball with less than 60 seconds on the clock. The cup semi last season against ICT wasn't in my view lost because of refereeing incompetence (though that was present in spades) but rather through a combination of errors that left us a man short. Many times in sport it's the very small margins that turn things.

Can I also say in conclusion that I am amazed sometimes by the degree to which posters here seem to have an insight into the day to day running of Celtic.

"The signings as a whole aren't down to Deila, he can have an input and the board can act on his wishes if they like (like Ciftci)."

Do you know this or is this your own perception?


Edit: I made a mess of quoting at different levels!
Failing to grasp what is being said, again.

There is a difference between having a right to win a game, like you are trying to make out is being said and having expectations that as a club who has a budget and resources well beyond Malmo should be winning a 2 legged tie against them.

Celtic don't have the right to win the SPL but do you expect us to win it? If your answer is no your lying to try and keep whatever your argument is going.

As I said we haven't spent what budget we had wisely enough, we also haven't invested enough in recent years to be able to realistically compete if and when we do get to the Champions League, our last outing showed that with pretty depressing results.

You are more than capable of being able to criticise the board and management team whilst supporting the team and giving the management time to do whatever they are trying to do. It doesn't have to be blind support or complete hostility.
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