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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,832 Views)
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4 Sep 2015, 07:51 AM
The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



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Totally agree. Lawwell has been in charge long enough (more than long enough, given the guidelines in the UK's corporate governance code). This is his organisation, and its failings are his failings.
Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then?

You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?

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4 Sep 2015, 01:55 AM
We really need to get behind this Celtic team, regardless of thoughts on the board or whether X, Y or Z striker is bettererer than Griffiths.

This is a young, inexperienced Celtic side that could have some new heroes hidden in there, but at the moment all the positive energy is hanging out with the huns while they pump part timers 5-1 each week.

If they carry on they will have a shampoo load of momentum behind them, and would pose enough of a threat this year if we met them.

The last thing we need is going in to the start of next season putting extreme amounts of pressure on Ronny and what is a very young squad to get CL football, while the huns enjoy the benefits of some positive self delusion.

If cracks are appearing it's because of needless pressure at a time we can enjoy experimenting.
Wish it was as simple as that.

If Fatboab goes on record with such information that things ain't all good, you can rest assured that he thought long and hard about sharing that info.

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Fat Boab sounds like a hun. Incredible stuff.
Glad somebody else thinks this. I met on a few occasions and thought the same. As for Tim Waits I noticed he got decidedly nervous when I suggested going to a pub in West Belfast. Another hun I suspect. El Celtico is another that I should mention - definitely dodgy. Thinks McCartney is better than Lennon. Trust no one :suspect:
Glad somebody else has the neck to say what they think and that Remy guy, wow! place is a hotbed.
We need some new blood on here to point these things out.












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Is it allowable tae say, WHAT ABSOLUTE shampooE
Fat Boab sounds like a hun. Incredible stuff.
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4 Sep 2015, 12:37 AM

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The Barca result was a one off and you know it. We could play them another 10 games in a row and get gubbed. In fact didn't they really give
us a going over the next time we played them. And we know that their players are far superior to ours. So that comparison is not on.
Of course fitba is team game and you also have to have a talent to fit into the team. Malmo had that type of player and if you do not accept that Malmo
were superior to Celtic in those two games then " end of discussion"Your claim that the Celtic reject was their best player is a joke.
You watched Malmo twice on T.V. I take it and judge that all of our players are better than theirs. Aye o.k. then
I saw something different and Malmo are on their way to the group stages.

Did Barca give us a going over the next time we played them?

No.
It looked like a going over to me. We scarcely got a kick of the ball and we were clinging on desperately even before our captain stupidly got himself sent off. Admittedly, it wasn't as bad as the utter humiliation which was still to come in the away fixture.
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. They were better organised, better disciplined, fitter and, importantly, played with total belief they would get through the tie. They won as a team - .
And that makes them better players in my mind. Being a good player does not just mean that you are skilled with a ball. All of what
you have just mentioned is required as well. That is why they dumped us out.
Surprised at you Murph.
Why did we beat Barca? We didn't have one player who would get in their team. Not one. Football is a team game. With organisation, energy, belief and a good tactical gameplan, one team can beat the other despite having inferior individual players. We have proved it time and again. There isn't one single Malmo player I'd want in our team. To me their best player is a Celtic reject. Rosenberg - took advantage of a mistake from a set piece and done little else. I'd have Griffiths every day of the week. We have better players than Malmo all over the pitch - a team they assembled for the same money we paid for Cictci. I can guarantee you there will be no one leaving Malmo for any kind of money any time soon - Rosenberg appears to be their man main and he was sent back from West Brom with his tails between his legs on a free. Their strength is in the collective, not the individual. Ours is the exact opposite.
Griffiths was deemed surplus to requirements at Wolves...a League One club. Rosenberg has a decent enough scoring record, but his strength is how he leads the line. I'd have him at Celtic in a heartbeat.
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Did Barca give us a going over the next time we played them?

No.
It looked like a going over to me. We scarcely got a kick of the ball and we were clinging on desperately even before our captain stupidly got himself sent off. Admittedly, it wasn't as bad as the utter humiliation which was still to come in the away fixture.
1-0 defeat with ten men isn't a going over :lol: Especially to Barcelona.

We played alright in that game.
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4 Sep 2015, 09:23 AM
sevilliano
4 Sep 2015, 07:51 AM
The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



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Totally agree. Lawwell has been in charge long enough (more than long enough, given the guidelines in the UK's corporate governance code). This is his organisation, and its failings are his failings.
Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then?

You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?

I'm a chartered accountant, dude. Part of having a professional qualification is abiding by ethical codes, so yeah, I will criticise people for not complying with good practice, particularly if it's something as fundamental as corporate governance..
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Thats your dinner out Kingbhoyd
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kingbhoyd
4 Sep 2015, 09:38 AM
duffsticks
4 Sep 2015, 09:23 AM
sevilliano
4 Sep 2015, 07:51 AM
The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



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Totally agree. Lawwell has been in charge long enough (more than long enough, given the guidelines in the UK's corporate governance code). This is his organisation, and its failings are his failings.
Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then?

You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?

Kingbhoyd breaks his cover but DOESN'T tell us everything is OK and the board are on it.

:o
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3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Present financial situation: In 3 of the last 5 years we have reported a profit. The combined profit of those last 5 years (before tax) was nearly £12m. We pay our Chief Executive an average of about £1m a year (more than almost anyone in our squad).

Solution: Get a Chief Executive making half of what Lawwell is making. Spend the average £3m annual profit we would be banking.
That is based on the assumption that a CEO with a salary of 50% of our current CEO could produce the same financial results, as that's the metric for your argument.
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4 Sep 2015, 09:23 AM

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Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then?

You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?

Kingbhoyd breaks his cover but DOESN'T tell us everything is OK and the board are on it.

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been on holiday and serving a ban, nice to know you're looking out for me :thumbsup:
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Jeez you guys are something else. I believe they have an expression in the states - "Monday morning quarterbacks".

For a start this alleged unrest in Lennoxtown? Where's this coming from? A source. Someone once said to me - if you believed all you read, you'd eat all you see. Frankly I don't know how that actually works out, but for me the gist is, there's a lot of shampoo out there spread about by a lot of people with a complete spectrum of motives. You need to get a grip. We lost a game. To paraphrase - it's not Armageddon.

If all the experts on here could really walk the walk rather than talking the talk, they'd have no time to while away on KDS. As I mentioned on another thread, we have made (domestically) the best start to a season for 4 years. Are we trumpeting that? - hell no. That would be too much like tuning in to reality.

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Jeez you guys are something else. I believe they have an expression in the states - "Monday morning quarterbacks".

For a start this alleged unrest in Lennoxtown? Where's this coming from? A source. Someone once said to me - if you believed all you read, you'd eat all you see. Frankly I don't know how that actually works out, but for me the gist is, there's a lot of shampoo out there spread about by a lot of people with a complete spectrum of motives. You need to get a grip. We lost a game. To paraphrase - it's not Armageddon.

If all the experts on here could really walk the walk rather than talking the talk, they'd have no time to while away on KDS. As I mentioned on another thread, we have made (domestically) the best start to a season for 4 years. Are we trumpeting that? - hell no. That would be too much like tuning in to reality.

The source seems credible and doesn't go into too much detail but its worth considering, especially since we seem to be blowing out our arse after 70 minutes

"We lost a game" is a tad simplistic though, isn't it, given that we lost a £20m game against a team with a fraction of our resources after holding a lead and completely falling apart, meaning we are out of the CL.

That kind of tempers the "best start" fanfare as well - we can afford to lose a few games at this time without it affecting us winning the league - how many of the last 4 years have we failed to win the league at the end ?
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Jeez you guys are something else. I believe they have an expression in the states - "Monday morning quarterbacks".

For a start this alleged unrest in Lennoxtown? Where's this coming from? A source. Someone once said to me - if you believed all you read, you'd eat all you see. Frankly I don't know how that actually works out, but for me the gist is, there's a lot of shampoo out there spread about by a lot of people with a complete spectrum of motives. You need to get a grip. We lost a game. To paraphrase - it's not Armageddon.

If all the experts on here could really walk the walk rather than talking the talk, they'd have no time to while away on KDS. As I mentioned on another thread, we have made (domestically) the best start to a season for 4 years. Are we trumpeting that? - hell no. That would be too much like tuning in to reality.

5 wins out of 6 should be the least of our expectations in the league so far with the fixtures we've had.

If you can't see how we couldn't see out the home leg against Malmo as an issue, or how we looked beat with a good part of the 2nd half of the away leg still to play then that is your choice. If you feel the investment in the team over recent years has A. Been enough and B. Invested wisely. Then that is also your choice.

If you are happy with our options up front and for left back then you're entitled to your opinion.

But don't assume your 'reality' is the same as everyone elses.
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4 Sep 2015, 01:56 PM
Jeez you guys are something else. I believe they have an expression in the states - "Monday morning quarterbacks".

For a start this alleged unrest in Lennoxtown? Where's this coming from? A source. Someone once said to me - if you believed all you read, you'd eat all you see. Frankly I don't know how that actually works out, but for me the gist is, there's a lot of shampoo out there spread about by a lot of people with a complete spectrum of motives. You need to get a grip. We lost a game. To paraphrase - it's not Armageddon.

If all the experts on here could really walk the walk rather than talking the talk, they'd have no time to while away on KDS. As I mentioned on another thread, we have made (domestically) the best start to a season for 4 years. Are we trumpeting that? - hell no. That would be too much like tuning in to reality.

5 wins out of 6 should be the least of our expectations in the league so far with the fixtures we've had.

If you can't see how we couldn't see out the home leg against Malmo as an issue, or how we looked beat with a good part of the 2nd half of the away leg still to play then that is your choice. If you feel the investment in the team over recent years has A. Been enough and B. Invested wisely. Then that is also your choice.

If you are happy with our options up front and for left back then you're entitled to your opinion.

But don't assume your 'reality' is the same as everyone elses.
I don't seek to impose any sort of reality, nor suggest that mine is superior. I merely suggest that the picture might not be as bleak as some around here suggest. My late mother used to say "fools and weans shouldn't see things done". Over the years (and I'm now in my 7th decade) that's often been proved to be true.

Too many on here seem happier to rush to judgement especially around new players rather than giving them an opportunity to show how well or poorly they can play.

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Someone on kds referencing the corporate governance code! I take it you'll be pulling up everyone on their ignorance of corporate governance from now on then?

You do know what Dermot Desmond does for a living? Or maybe you know more about corporate governance in practice than him?

I'm a chartered accountant, dude. Part of having a professional qualification is abiding by ethical codes, so yeah, I will criticise people for not complying with good practice, particularly if it's something as fundamental as corporate governance..
i don't get your point, dude - what on earth does a professional qualification with an ethical code have to do with it? so if i'm a qualified medic the same applies? you're confusing ethical codes, good practice and regulation and law, three separate things.

i'm studying acca, i'm fully aware of accountancy ethics, and its importance in that profession. you'll note that i said corporate governance in practice, not some code, nor regulations - this isn't accountancy, its what works in business, and i would think that dermot desmond probably knows a thing or two about what works best in the boardroom and for his businesses.

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4 Sep 2015, 01:56 PM
Jeez you guys are something else. I believe they have an expression in the states - "Monday morning quarterbacks".

For a start this alleged unrest in Lennoxtown? Where's this coming from? A source. Someone once said to me - if you believed all you read, you'd eat all you see. Frankly I don't know how that actually works out, but for me the gist is, there's a lot of shampoo out there spread about by a lot of people with a complete spectrum of motives. You need to get a grip. We lost a game. To paraphrase - it's not Armageddon.

If all the experts on here could really walk the walk rather than talking the talk, they'd have no time to while away on KDS. As I mentioned on another thread, we have made (domestically) the best start to a season for 4 years. Are we trumpeting that? - hell no. That would be too much like tuning in to reality.

5 wins out of 6 should be the least of our expectations in the league so far with the fixtures we've had.

If you can't see how we couldn't see out the home leg against Malmo as an issue, or how we looked beat with a good part of the 2nd half of the away leg still to play then that is your choice. If you feel the investment in the team over recent years has A. Been enough and B. Invested wisely. Then that is also your choice.

If you are happy with our options up front and for left back then you're entitled to your opinion.

But don't assume your 'reality' is the same as everyone elses.
I don't seek to impose any sort of reality, nor suggest that mine is superior. I merely suggest that the picture might not be as bleak as some around here suggest. My late mother used to say "fools and weans shouldn't see things done". Over the years (and I'm now in my 7th decade) that's often been proved to be true.

Too many on here seem happier to rush to judgement especially around new players rather than giving them an opportunity to show how well or poorly they can play.

"That would be too much like tuning in to reality."

That line, whether you meant it to read like it or not implies the issues posted on here aren't in tune with reality thereby imposing your own reality.

Malmo wasn't a one off freak result. The same happened last year, first with Legia then Maribor. We made hard work for ourselves against Karagandy the year before that, had it not been for the wood work we wouldn't have made the Champions League that year either. We got past Qarabag 1-0 over 2 legs this season. Every tie mentioned there should be winnable for Celtic and a couple should have been comfortbale when they weren't.

The picture isn't all bleak, due to having no credible contender we're probably going to win the league for at least another few seasons. The board know this and we've seen the squad trimmed and reduced in quality. This is the issue most of us have.

On the coaching side of it, as has been mentioned we looked legged against Malmo as the 2 games went on. Deila and Collins are self proclaimed fitness fanatics and you'd expect the squad to be well into a fitness regime that should help us see out games against teams of Malmo's level. The fact we couldn't is a failure in that respect.

If you see 5 wins from 6 in the league, with the squad we currently have and no Champions League football yet again as everything being rosey in the garden that is your choice. I wish I was as easily pleased as you.
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Griffiths was deemed surplus to requirements at Wolves...a League One club. Rosenberg has a decent enough scoring record, but his strength is how he leads the line. I'd have him at Celtic in a heartbeat.
I'd have Rosenberg over Griffiths every time. He was a pain in the arse against us, a massive presence who inspired his front line, something Griffiths doesn't do.
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