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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,833 Views)
ssmith81
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If there are issues with training then it's inexcusable given Deila and Collins' apparent insistence on fitness/diet. It's the least I expect from Deila's team.
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Is it allowable tae say, WHAT ABSOLUTE shampooE
Fat Boab sounds like a hun. Incredible stuff.
Glad somebody else thinks this. I met on a few occasions and thought the same. As for Tim Waits I noticed he got decidedly nervous when I suggested going to a pub in West Belfast. Another hun I suspect. El Celtico is another that I should mention - definitely dodgy. Thinks McCartney is better than Lennon. Trust no one :suspect:
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High pressing high intensity football. The new Camelot.

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Fat Boab sounds like a hun. Incredible stuff.
Glad somebody else thinks this. I met on a few occasions and thought the same. As for Tim Waits I noticed he got decidedly nervous when I suggested going to a pub in West Belfast. Another hun I suspect. El Celtico is another that I should mention - definitely dodgy. Thinks McCartney is better than Lennon. Trust no one :suspect:
These guys could be the original Mysteron investors.

Is Fat Boab Blue Pitch Holdings?

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murphio
4 Sep 2015, 12:24 AM
Gonga
3 Sep 2015, 11:39 PM
The cracks are appearing?

You're the expert (no condescension intended). You think this team looks fitter than it did? To me, Malmo looked fitter and I'm not buying into their manager's guff. We lacked bravery on the ball, which isn't about fitness, but we also lacked energy both off the ball and on it. For me that is the most disappointing aspect of Ronny's tenure. I was hoping we'd see this high pressing, high intensity game and we are blowing out our collective arses. The fact Ronny believes in the ethos of fitness and diet does not necessarily mean he knows how to put it into practice and convey it to others. You have bought into him because of his ideas. I can respect that. But it appears to me he is having a problem putting them into practice. In a senior, well paid management position that really isn't acceptable.
Hullbhoy raised a good point on the Celtic Underground podcast.

We do now take the pressing game for granted, that it doesn't guarantee goals or even results at times is not a sign that we are not fitter. We are playing a different style that in itself requires higher energy output.

Even if fitness levels are improving throughout the team, it's not like a power bar in a computer game that resets for each match, and any increase or decrease in fitness levels is always littered with little peaks and troughs along the way.

I said all the way through the Ronny thread that improvements in fitness at this level are often marginal, but over time it will result in more things going our way, not all of the time, but sometimes and that's enough to warrent having a decent system in place.

With regard to our current training not being 'Hard Enough', I would ask what is meant by 'hard'..

Technically challenging?

Physically punishing?

In a long season I imaging that sessions are measured to bring players to full fitness without risking injury.
Going hell for leather is not a sensible way to train, you don't see training clips of Barca or Real going through gruelling training sessions.

I think some folk still have a bee in their bonnet since Ronny commented on the fitness and nutrition thing while bringing Lenny in to it, it was his biggest mistake yet as manager. A naive and poorly timed excuse at a time he was getting crucified.
Sadly it was taken as personal sleight against someone popular, when really it was a guy in the middle of a shampoostorm wanting the fans of his new club to see that he did have a plan.

It's totally been over egged, and not by those who back the guy either. I can hardly remember reading any posts proclaiming any amazing new fitness levels in the squad, yet every week someone is questioning if it's working and whether it might prove Ronny is full of crap.. It's the same posters , desperate for something to go wrong .

Some seem to be demanding to be impressed by visibly increased physical performances and questioning everything because sometimes we still look tired in a game (even though we do press more). Its counter productive on every level, and doesn't take in to account how a squad of players will always have varying and fluctuating fitness levels at all times anyway..

Mood, hormones, sleep, there is so much going on at any one time, all you can do is put in place a decent system and give it time.





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4 Sep 2015, 01:02 AM
High pressing high intensity football. The new Camelot.

It's the new long ball game.

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We really need to get behind this Celtic team, regardless of thoughts on the board or whether X, Y or Z striker is bettererer than Griffiths.

This is a young, inexperienced Celtic side that could have some new heroes hidden in there, but at the moment all the positive energy is hanging out with the huns while they pump part timers 5-1 each week.

If they carry on they will have a shampoo load of momentum behind them, and would pose enough of a threat this year if we met them.

The last thing we need is going in to the start of next season putting extreme amounts of pressure on Ronny and what is a very young squad to get CL football, while the huns enjoy the benefits of some positive self delusion.

If cracks are appearing it's because of needless pressure at a time we can enjoy experimenting.
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murphio
4 Sep 2015, 12:37 AM
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3 Sep 2015, 06:25 PM
. They were better organised, better disciplined, fitter and, importantly, played with total belief they would get through the tie. They won as a team - .
And that makes them better players in my mind. Being a good player does not just mean that you are skilled with a ball. All of what
you have just mentioned is required as well. That is why they dumped us out.
Surprised at you Murph.
Why did we beat Barca? We didn't have one player who would get in their team. Not one. Football is a team game. With organisation, energy, belief and a good tactical gameplan, one team can beat the other despite having inferior individual players. We have proved it time and again. There isn't one single Malmo player I'd want in our team. To me their best player is a Celtic reject. Rosenberg - took advantage of a mistake from a set piece and done little else. I'd have Griffiths every day of the week. We have better players than Malmo all over the pitch - a team they assembled for the same money we paid for Cictci. I can guarantee you there will be no one leaving Malmo for any kind of money any time soon - Rosenberg appears to be their man main and he was sent back from West Brom with his tails between his legs on a free. Their strength is in the collective, not the individual. Ours is the exact opposite.
The Barca result was a one off and you know it. We could play them another 10 games in a row and get gubbed. In fact didn't they really give
us a going over the next time we played them. And we know that their players are far superior to ours. So that comparison is not on.
Of course fitba is team game and you also have to have a talent to fit into the team. Malmo had that type of player and if you do not accept that Malmo
were superior to Celtic in those two games then " end of discussion"Your claim that the Celtic reject was their best player is a joke.
You watched Malmo twice on T.V. I take it and judge that all of our players are better than theirs. Aye o.k. then
I saw something different and Malmo are on their way to the group stages.

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ssmith81
4 Sep 2015, 12:48 AM
If there are issues with training then it's inexcusable given Deila and Collins' apparent insistence on fitness/diet. It's the least I expect from Deila's team.
But what case is it, is it the players not doing the training as asked by the management team or whatever implementation from the management team that is not for the benefit of the players.

There appears to be a lot of problems about the club right now.
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4 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
ssmith81
4 Sep 2015, 12:48 AM
If there are issues with training then it's inexcusable given Deila and Collins' apparent insistence on fitness/diet. It's the least I expect from Deila's team.
But what case is it, is it the players not doing the training as asked by the management team or whatever implementation from the management team that is not for the benefit of the players.

There appears to be a lot of problems about the club right now.
Either or it's obviously a real problem.

My post was aimed at both cases.
Edited by ssmith81, 4 Sep 2015, 07:50 AM.
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Even if that did equate to an extra £3 million to spend per year (it doesn't because you haven't accounted for tax), that money really doesn't stretch very far once you take account of transfer/loan fees plus wages plus agent fees.

Adding an additional c. £2 million per year to the club's operating expenditure of c. £60 million (which is effectively what you are talking about) is not likely to materially improve the squad.

Given the margins in which we are operating, the strength of our squad from time to time is utterly dependent on the decisions made by our scouting team. The success of our transfer policy lives and dies by the scouts' ability to find a Wanyama rather than a Pukki.

That is the real issue here. The issue isn't how much we spend; it's how we spend it. The problem, however, and this is where I have some sympathy with John Park and his team, is that we need to unearth these players before other clubs which are often far better funded.
No one wants such a dose of reality please MM!!
The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



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Gonga
4 Sep 2015, 01:55 AM
The last thing we need is going in to the start of next season putting extreme amounts of pressure on Ronny and what is a very young squad to get CL football, while the huns enjoy the benefits of some positive self delusion.
It's entirely self inflicted.

The extreme pressure will come next season due to three absolute colossal eff ups from Deila and the team.
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Where's Jim Kerr and Bono when we need them? :arrr:
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No one wants such a dose of reality please MM!!
The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



At least he'd get a good laugh out of you wasting his time
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3 Sep 2015, 11:39 PM
The cracks are appearing?

We lost a game against Malmo.

The only game we have lost this season.

Lots of teams start the season out of sorts, some are still in the middle of transfer speculation until end of August.
How many seasons have we had slow starts or crappy Euro performances while the squad comes together.

We lose a game and now cracks are appearing.

Be as well reading the newspapers.
Malmo might be the "only game" we've lost this season but that was THE game. A defining moment. I'm fairly confident we could win the SPFL and the odd domestic cup with John Collins, Jackie McNamara or even the bold Ally McCoist in charge! Such a failure, especially when it's happened two years in a row, can't be allowed to be dismissed as though it was just another game or an anomaly in the middle of some generally decent form..
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4 Sep 2015, 12:37 AM
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Why did we beat Barca? We didn't have one player who would get in their team. Not one. Football is a team game. With organisation, energy, belief and a good tactical gameplan, one team can beat the other despite having inferior individual players. We have proved it time and again. There isn't one single Malmo player I'd want in our team. To me their best player is a Celtic reject. Rosenberg - took advantage of a mistake from a set piece and done little else. I'd have Griffiths every day of the week. We have better players than Malmo all over the pitch - a team they assembled for the same money we paid for Cictci. I can guarantee you there will be no one leaving Malmo for any kind of money any time soon - Rosenberg appears to be their man main and he was sent back from West Brom with his tails between his legs on a free. Their strength is in the collective, not the individual. Ours is the exact opposite.
The Barca result was a one off and you know it. We could play them another 10 games in a row and get gubbed. In fact didn't they really give
us a going over the next time we played them. And we know that their players are far superior to ours. So that comparison is not on.
Of course fitba is team game and you also have to have a talent to fit into the team. Malmo had that type of player and if you do not accept that Malmo
were superior to Celtic in those two games then " end of discussion"Your claim that the Celtic reject was their best player is a joke.
You watched Malmo twice on T.V. I take it and judge that all of our players are better than theirs. Aye o.k. then
I saw something different and Malmo are on their way to the group stages.

Did Barca give us a going over the next time we played them?

No.
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4 Sep 2015, 01:55 AM
We really need to get behind this Celtic team, regardless of thoughts on the board or whether X, Y or Z striker is bettererer than Griffiths.

This is a young, inexperienced Celtic side that could have some new heroes hidden in there, but at the moment all the positive energy is hanging out with the huns while they pump part timers 5-1 each week.

If they carry on they will have a shampoo load of momentum behind them, and would pose enough of a threat this year if we met them.

The last thing we need is going in to the start of next season putting extreme amounts of pressure on Ronny and what is a very young squad to get CL football, while the huns enjoy the benefits of some positive self delusion.

If cracks are appearing it's because of needless pressure at a time we can enjoy experimenting.
'Enjoy experimenting'?

This is hardly like smoking a fly joint or taking a sweetie down the dancing. This is costing us big amounts of money and impacting what we are able to invest (as per the club's strategy).
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Players aren't happy with training? The same players who bottled it last week?
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4 Sep 2015, 07:51 AM
The reality is the club is being mismanaged by pl

Youth development fail - ridiculously small amount of money put into quality coaches at lennoxtown
Scouting Scottish players fail - to date we have got there too late on a good number and missed many for that reason
Scouting network - mediocre - for every Forster there are 4 failures so we are treading water financially (which some see as success) but
Squad value - decreased hugely over last 5/6 years as repeated failures to reach cl (even by way of champions route) means forced sales far too early and inability to reinvest at quality required - major fail

And he's failed to do anything about our playing environment in over 10 years

Times up for him

Quite happy to apply for his job when he goes ;) and share my wisdom with dermot



:thumbsup:

Totally agree. Lawwell has been in charge long enough (more than long enough, given the guidelines in the UK's corporate governance code). This is his organisation, and its failings are his failings.
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Fat Boab sounds like a hun. Incredible stuff.
Glad somebody else thinks this. I met on a few occasions and thought the same. As for Tim Waits I noticed he got decidedly nervous when I suggested going to a pub in West Belfast. Another hun I suspect. El Celtico is another that I should mention - definitely dodgy. Thinks McCartney is better than Lennon. Trust no one :suspect:
Nice avatar but you ain't fooling anyone either.
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