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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,836 Views)
CuriousOranj67
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Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
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murphio
2 Sep 2015, 03:39 PM
[; we do. I'm saying that we have better players than Malmo in almost every position.
I do not know how you can arrive at that Murph. Over the two games they outplayed us. We played for 15 minutes in the first game
and then they adjusted and outsmarted us. Do you watch Malmo on a regular basis.?
Don't watch Malmo at all - none of their players greatly impressed me over the two games. If I had to pick one I'd probably go with Berget - and look how that turned out. They were better organised, better disciplined, fitter and, importantly, played with total belief they would get through the tie. They won as a team - individually there is no one who struck me as a player I'd like for our team.
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murphio
2 Sep 2015, 03:39 PM
[; we do. I'm saying that we have better players than Malmo in almost every position.
I do not know how you can arrive at that Murph. Over the two games they outplayed us. We played for 15 minutes in the first game
and then they adjusted and outsmarted us. Do you watch Malmo on a regular basis.?
Don't watch Malmo at all - none of their players greatly impressed me over the two games. If I had to pick one I'd probably go with Berget - and look how that turned out. They were better organised, better disciplined, fitter and, importantly, played with total belief they would get through the tie. They won as a team - individually there is no one who struck me as a player I'd like for our team.
Correct.

We had the mentality of the game all wrong. The manager and the team shat it.
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CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
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CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Do any of the boo boys, as you so beautifully put it, get paid 6/7 figures a year to find that solution?
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CuriousOranj67
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3 Sep 2015, 06:31 PM
CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Do any of the boo boys, as you so beautifully put it, get paid 6/7 figures a year to find that solution?
Ahh the old money trick. Solutions please?
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3 Sep 2015, 09:16 AM
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3 Sep 2015, 09:10 AM

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I'll accept speculative and "bad player recruitment" in players.. Yes definitely but
how can we be accused of "underinvestment" when we spend pretty much all we get ??
Just baffling that clearly intelligent people refuse to accept that!!
I'd say underinvestment is represented by having Griffiths, Stokes, and Ciftci (suspended) as your striking options in your most important, money-spinning tie of the whole season. While playing an untried youngster at right back, and a mediocre utility man on the other side.

It is simply not true that we underinvest. Look at the accounts. We generally invest as much as we prudently can. There is definitely a debate to be had about how that investment is spent (e.g. would we be better to buy one £4m striker than a succession of £1.5m strikers?) but the accounts will show you that there really isn't any reasonable case to be made for the overall investment being significantly increased. We simply don't have the money.
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CuriousOranj67
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3 Sep 2015, 06:31 PM
CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Do any of the boo boys, as you so beautifully put it, get paid 6/7 figures a year to find that solution?
Ahh the old money trick.
Whit?
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CuriousOranj67
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3 Sep 2015, 06:33 PM
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3 Sep 2015, 06:31 PM

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Ahh the old money trick.
Whit?
Money seems to be yer measure of stuff SM. Whats yer solution?. Imagine you got paid all that dosh? For me there isnae a problem, just my club called Celtic. Do ye have a solution or does 6/7 grand a week only allow that?
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The strategy of the club is simply wrong. I keep asking the same question and I have yet to receive a decent answer.
Surely we cannot budget our club on the possibility of developing players and selling on for profit. This should be seen as a bonus. We have received over £30 million more in transfer fees than spent, in the last couple of years. Where would we be if these players had also failed? Bankrupt?
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CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:42 PM
For me there isnae a problem
you are happy with the way things are going just now then?
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CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Present financial situation: In 3 of the last 5 years we have reported a profit. The combined profit of those last 5 years (before tax) was nearly £12m. We pay our Chief Executive an average of about £1m a year (more than almost anyone in our squad).

Solution: Get a Chief Executive making half of what Lawwell is making. Spend the average £3m annual profit we would be banking.
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CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Present financial situation: In 3 of the last 5 years we have reported a profit. The combined profit of those last 5 years (before tax) was nearly £12m. We pay our Chief Executive an average of about £1m a year (more than almost anyone in our squad).

Solution: Get a Chief Executive making half of what Lawwell is making. Spend the average £3m annual profit we would be banking.
Can I suggest we invest some of that into a more comprehensive scouting department that looks at players outwith Manchester and Dundee.
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CuriousOranj67
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3 Sep 2015, 06:47 PM
CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Present financial situation: In 3 of the last 5 years we have reported a profit. The combined profit of those last 5 years (before tax) was nearly £12m. We pay our Chief Executive an average of about £1m a year (more than almost anyone in our squad).

Solution: Get a Chief Executive making half of what Lawwell is making. Spend the average £3m annual profit we would be banking.
Bingo! That sorts that then. You should apply for the job an show them yer master plan. I'll be behind ye
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CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:42 PM
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3 Sep 2015, 06:36 PM
CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:33 PM

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Whit?
Money seems to be yer measure of stuff SM. Whats yer solution?. Imagine you got paid all that dosh? For me there isnae a problem, just my club called Celtic. Do ye have a solution or does 6/7 grand a week only allow that?
Money seems to be my measure of stuff?

How'd you figure that?

You want a solutions to how Celtic can be better run.

Some folk on the internet might have some ideas, but is it not more realistic that the guy who is paid to run the club is the one who should be coming up with the solution?

And as that guy is very handsomely paid, we should be expecting better solutions from him than we would from someone else getting paid half what he is.

Folk are expected to do their job and the more they're paid, the better they're expected to do. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that's how jobs worked.
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CuriousOranj67
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3 Sep 2015, 06:52 PM
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3 Sep 2015, 06:36 PM

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Money seems to be yer measure of stuff SM. Whats yer solution?. Imagine you got paid all that dosh? For me there isnae a problem, just my club called Celtic. Do ye have a solution or does 6/7 grand a week only allow that?
Money seems to be my measure of stuff?

How'd you figure that?

You want a solutions to how Celtic can be better run.

Some folk on the internet might have some ideas, but is it not more realistic that the guy who is paid to run the club is the one who should be coming up with the solution?

And as that guy is very handsomely paid, we should be expecting better solutions from him than we would from someone else getting paid half what he is.

Folk are expected to do their job and the more they're paid, the better they're expected to do. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that's how jobs worked.
Oh right so the way that works is that yer team wins or we sack folk?
As far as yer money indicator is concerned. It's what ye say, an just have again. Criticism is a dawdle. Just read an listen tae our media comrades.
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Lawlerm
3 Sep 2015, 06:47 PM
CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Present financial situation: In 3 of the last 5 years we have reported a profit. The combined profit of those last 5 years (before tax) was nearly £12m. We pay our Chief Executive an average of about £1m a year (more than almost anyone in our squad).

Solution: Get a Chief Executive making half of what Lawwell is making. Spend the average £3m annual profit we would be banking.
Even if that did equate to an extra £3 million to spend per year (it doesn't because you haven't accounted for tax), that money really doesn't stretch very far once you take account of transfer/loan fees plus wages plus agent fees.

Adding an additional c. £2 million per year to the club's operating expenditure of c. £60 million (which is effectively what you are talking about) is not likely to materially improve the squad.

Given the margins in which we are operating, the strength of our squad from time to time is utterly dependent on the decisions made by our scouting team. The success of our transfer policy lives and dies by the scouts' ability to find a Wanyama rather than a Pukki.

That is the real issue here. The issue isn't how much we spend; it's how we spend it. The problem, however, and this is where I have some sympathy with John Park and his team, is that we need to unearth these players before other clubs which are often far better funded.
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CuriousOranj67
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3 Sep 2015, 07:10 PM
Lawlerm
3 Sep 2015, 06:47 PM
CuriousOranj67
3 Sep 2015, 06:13 PM
Could any of the boo bhoys please give us a detailed breakdown of the present financial situation? Then please give us the details to the solution you believe needs to be found.
Present financial situation: In 3 of the last 5 years we have reported a profit. The combined profit of those last 5 years (before tax) was nearly £12m. We pay our Chief Executive an average of about £1m a year (more than almost anyone in our squad).

Solution: Get a Chief Executive making half of what Lawwell is making. Spend the average £3m annual profit we would be banking.
Even if that did equate to an extra £3 million to spend per year (it doesn't because you haven't accounted for tax), that money really doesn't stretch very far once you take account of transfer/loan fees plus wages plus agent fees.

Adding an additional c. £2 million per year to the club's operating expenditure of c. £60 million (which is effectively what you are talking about) is not likely to materially improve the squad.

Given the margins in which we are operating, the strength of our squad from time to time is utterly dependent on the decisions made by our scouting team. The success of our transfer policy lives and dies by the scouts' ability to find a Wanyama rather than a Pukki.

That is the real issue here. The issue isn't how much we spend; it's how we spend it. The problem, however, and this is where I have some sympathy with John Park and his team, is that we need to unearth these players before other clubs which are often far better funded.
No one wants such a dose of reality please MM!!
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3 Sep 2015, 06:52 PM
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3 Sep 2015, 06:36 PM

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Money seems to be yer measure of stuff SM. Whats yer solution?. Imagine you got paid all that dosh? For me there isnae a problem, just my club called Celtic. Do ye have a solution or does 6/7 grand a week only allow that?
Money seems to be my measure of stuff?

How'd you figure that?

You want a solutions to how Celtic can be better run.

Some folk on the internet might have some ideas, but is it not more realistic that the guy who is paid to run the club is the one who should be coming up with the solution?

And as that guy is very handsomely paid, we should be expecting better solutions from him than we would from someone else getting paid half what he is.

Folk are expected to do their job and the more they're paid, the better they're expected to do. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that's how jobs worked.
You can't think of any better solutions.

As such, you defer to the guy who gets paid to think of solutions.

And yet, you know that the guy who gets paid to think of solutions should have better solutions than the solutions he currently has?

How's that work?

Edited by Midfield Maestro, 3 Sep 2015, 07:21 PM.
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