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| The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM | |
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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,840 Views) | |
| bubba | 2 Sep 2015, 05:31 PM Post #3641 |
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Getting on a bit
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mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal not surprisingly he wants to stay |
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| remy mcswain | 2 Sep 2015, 05:33 PM Post #3642 |
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Big in Canada
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What if he gets offered a lot less money like others were? |
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| antbhoy | 2 Sep 2015, 05:36 PM Post #3643 |
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Marshal of the Soviet Union
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You would like to think he would be getting offered less, that being the case probably sign for Bolton in Jan if NL is still there. |
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| JimG31Bhoy | 2 Sep 2015, 05:42 PM Post #3644 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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Am I missing something here? The reason we got knocked out against Malmo was nothing to to with the strikers but because our pish defence in both legs. Edited by JimG31Bhoy, 2 Sep 2015, 05:42 PM.
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| jim62 | 2 Sep 2015, 05:46 PM Post #3645 |
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up on the roof!!
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Yotun was absolute garbage....
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| Sjb141 | 2 Sep 2015, 06:29 PM Post #3646 |
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First-team captain
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Do you think he was worse than mulgrew though? |
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| Bob Loblaw | 2 Sep 2015, 06:32 PM Post #3647 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Probably still be more than he'll get elsewhere. |
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| DKB | 2 Sep 2015, 06:50 PM Post #3648 |
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Getting on a bit
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in the first leg Yotun was a pumpkin and didn't do much good, but in the second leg he was really really good |
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| DKB | 2 Sep 2015, 06:57 PM Post #3649 |
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Getting on a bit
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3 reasons Mulgrew is "homegrown" in reference to Europe Mulgrew can cover (notice I didn't say play) in DL/DC/MC/ML Mulgrew is ...(not sure of the English word - but in Danish we call it "kulturbærer", it is like... He knows the club, what it stands for, shows that in his approach to work as a footballer) Every club needs to have a few of those to keep the squad together |
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| lubolubo | 2 Sep 2015, 07:51 PM Post #3650 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Not sure how much more money was required to be spent to be able to mark properly at corners. Every team can have more money spent on it, and the squad was and is clearly deficient in a number of positions, but the Malmo debacle came down to catastrophic defending at set pieces and fundamentally that's a coaching issue. We scored 3 goals at home, we lost 3 goals at corners including one in the last minute which basically broke the back of the tie, and one on the counter when our own set piece play broke down. I like Ronny but the Malmo defeat was a combination of poor performance by the players especially away from home and terrible, terrible coaching. Rosenberg aside I'm not sure I'd take any of the Malmo players over what we have in the squad. That's not to let the performance of the board off the hook. In particular we part with far far too much money to keep Lawwell in sharp suits. Edited by lubolubo, 2 Sep 2015, 07:53 PM.
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| SuperHans67 | 2 Sep 2015, 08:03 PM Post #3651 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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Agree. Same as what happened with Commons, he should have been punted also. |
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| Pussyfoot | 2 Sep 2015, 08:17 PM Post #3652 |
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À la mode if you will
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Just look at the difference Rosenberg made in the 2nd Leg for an easy answer, we don't have a player of that quality. |
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| Gerinho | 2 Sep 2015, 08:33 PM Post #3653 |
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If mulgrew makes the starting 11 or comes on from the bench on a saturday, he earns £17k pw. Heard this from someone who knows him well. If he does get a new deal i sincerely hope that salary is slashed significantly. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 2 Sep 2015, 08:38 PM Post #3654 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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The real difference was our complete inability to defend corners. |
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| Gerinho | 2 Sep 2015, 08:48 PM Post #3655 |
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As an attacking threat, malmo were dangerous in more ways than just corners. Rosenberg ran us ragged and on another night could have been 4 or 5. Although its foley to say one player makes ALL the difference, a good centre forward helps the team no end (defensively and going forward) Edited by Gerinho, 2 Sep 2015, 08:49 PM.
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| Dr_Optimist | 2 Sep 2015, 08:56 PM Post #3656 |
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Aka 'The Thesis'
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The corner debacle was in part down to the players not performing duties that they are more than familiar with. Where the manager is at fault is for chopping and changing the defence so there was a lack of familiarity between players and not knowing their defensive duties. The latter could be down to players switching off as well, but by and large the point remains. We also clearly lack a physical presence throughout the side which didn't help, with our tallest players all failing to match Malmo's physical approach at times during the match, mainly for the goals we lost. And that includes Virgil. As far as striking options go - I personally don't like starting a poacher like Griffiths up front in such games, as unless we are going for it from the off and creating chances for him (and relying on him scoring), then we are basically risking a loss of possession, losing our defensive shape and being caught on the counter. Hooper was similar in that respect in European games. We lack a player who can hold the ball up and compete physically and give us an outlet high up the park. While that is deviating slightly from the point of this thread, it points towards not investing even in the right types of player, let alone the required quality. Ciftci may or may not have physical presence, but over the few games he played in Europe, he gave us barely a glimmer of that type of player we need. The talk about Mulgrew is also depressing. I know that he is someone who knows the club and offers 'experience'. But he's simply not quick, strong or good enough to play at a high tempo. He was decent in a number of positions at one point, but as a squad player, not a starter. Commons to a lesser extent is in a similar boat, though has improved his physical attributes and has more quality. Aside from them, we have Brown, Gordon, Ambrose and Izaguirre as our 'experienced' players. With only two of them being reliable and classed as 'leaders'. We shouldn't be relying on the likes of Mulgrew to offer experience in the squad. Yet with yet again an inexperienced squad moving forwards, it looks like we will be until January at least. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 2 Sep 2015, 08:58 PM Post #3657 |
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Of course a good centre forward helps the team. A good goalie helps the team, a good centre half helps the team, a good winger helps the team... Malmo may have been dangerous in more ways than corners. And yet, three of the four goals we lost against them came direct from corners. That is the chief reason we are out. Not Griffiths' performance. We could have had Rosenborg or Gary Hooper or Michu or Luis Suarez up front and losing three goals directly from corners would still have been a catastrophe. In a tie in which our centre forward scored two goals, the performance of our strikers was somewhat down the list of "things that went wrong" against Malmo. Should we have a better collection of strikers? Definitely. Would having a player like Rosenborg have helped us to some extent against Malmo? Possibly. Would another striker have "made a difference" against Malmo? Probably not, given that our striker scored twice and we conceded three goals directly from corners. Edited by Midfield Maestro, 2 Sep 2015, 08:59 PM.
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| Dr_Optimist | 2 Sep 2015, 09:02 PM Post #3658 |
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Aka 'The Thesis'
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Or maybe a taller, better striker would have been more effective in defending set-pieces in the way Samaras was
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| Joseph D. Pistone | 2 Sep 2015, 09:04 PM Post #3659 |
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Because he's not our 'type'. We wouldn't consider anyone without sell on value. |
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| paulfg42 | 2 Sep 2015, 09:08 PM Post #3660 |
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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Was Commons offered less money? |
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