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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Also quite odd given our 'policy' of not letting players run their deals down.

Another load of shampooe.
I thought he had a year left. How come Matthews gets punted but Mulgrew remains? Really doesn't make sense at all. No consistency.
mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal

not surprisingly he wants to stay
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I thought he had a year left. How come Matthews gets punted but Mulgrew remains? Really doesn't make sense at all. No consistency.
mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal

not surprisingly he wants to stay
What if he gets offered a lot less money like others were?
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mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal

not surprisingly he wants to stay
What if he gets offered a lot less money like others were?
You would like to think he would be getting offered less, that being the case probably sign for Bolton in Jan if NL is still there.
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Would a striker have made a difference against Malmo? Griffiths scored two goals over the two ties. Scoring three times at home should have been sufficient to take us through. The failure for that didn't lie directly with Lawwell or the board - it was the fault of Ronny Deila and his players. But then the manager was recruited by Lawwell and the players were scouted by his system. The blame must eventually be traced back to him. One thing is for sure - we absolutely cannot afford to make the same mistake three summers on the trot. Some way, some how Lawwell and Deila between them must make sure we are in the group stages next year because we have no one left to sell in order to fill the shortfall.
anyone at all upfront who could lead the line and hold the ball to allow us to keep posession would have made a huge difference in malmo. even outwith his goal rosenborg was fantastic up front for them and he is an average player

the manager and players were to blame for getting pumped out rather than a lack of investment though
Am I missing something here? The reason we got knocked out against Malmo was nothing to to with the strikers but because our pish defence in both legs.
Edited by JimG31Bhoy, 2 Sep 2015, 05:42 PM.
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The point I am making is not that we don't lack a striker; we do. I'm saying that we have better players than Malmo in almost every position. I'm saying we operate on many times their budget. Malmo would love to have Leigh Griffiths in their squad - they couldn't afford his wages though. The failure to get past Malmo was not a result of not buying a striker - we had more than enough to negotiate our way through that tie. Again, that's not to say we shouldn't have invested some decent money on a forward but the one should never be used as an excuse for the other.
Rosenberg is better than Griffiths tbh.

We played awfully against them away but Malmo do have some good talent. Yotun is better than Mulgrew. Lewicki is very good. Rodic and Berget played very well also.
Yotun was absolute garbage.... :thumbsup:
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Rosenberg is better than Griffiths tbh.

We played awfully against them away but Malmo do have some good talent. Yotun is better than Mulgrew. Lewicki is very good. Rodic and Berget played very well also.
Yotun was absolute garbage.... :thumbsup:
Do you think he was worse than mulgrew though?
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mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal

not surprisingly he wants to stay
What if he gets offered a lot less money like others were?
Probably still be more than he'll get elsewhere.
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Rosenberg is better than Griffiths tbh.

We played awfully against them away but Malmo do have some good talent. Yotun is better than Mulgrew. Lewicki is very good. Rodic and Berget played very well also.
Yotun was absolute garbage.... :thumbsup:
in the first leg Yotun was a pumpkin and didn't do much good, but in the second leg he was really really good
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I thought he had a year left. How come Matthews gets punted but Mulgrew remains? Really doesn't make sense at all. No consistency.
mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal

not surprisingly he wants to stay
3 reasons

Mulgrew is "homegrown" in reference to Europe

Mulgrew can cover (notice I didn't say play) in DL/DC/MC/ML

Mulgrew is ...(not sure of the English word - but in Danish we call it "kulturbærer", it is like... He knows the club, what it stands for, shows that in his approach to work as a footballer) Every club needs to have a few of those to keep the squad together

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Not sure how much more money was required to be spent to be able to mark properly at corners. Every team can have more money spent on it, and the squad was and is clearly deficient in a number of positions, but the Malmo debacle came down to catastrophic defending at set pieces and fundamentally that's a coaching issue.

We scored 3 goals at home, we lost 3 goals at corners including one in the last minute which basically broke the back of the tie, and one on the counter when our own set piece play broke down. I like Ronny but the Malmo defeat was a combination of poor performance by the players especially away from home and terrible, terrible coaching. Rosenberg aside I'm not sure I'd take any of the Malmo players over what we have in the squad.

That's not to let the performance of the board off the hook. In particular we part with far far too much money to keep Lawwell in sharp suits.
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He'll probably be given a new contract :cry:
He'll hit a run of 5 or 6 games good games... the press and the messageboards will start bleating "surely he's done enough for a new deal?!" Rumours of Bolton's interest will circulate around December. "It would be a tragedy to lose him on a free" etc etc. Then BAM. Four year extension. Then BAM. Loss of form.

I've seen the future.
Agree. Same as what happened with Commons, he should have been punted also.
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Would a striker have made a difference against Malmo? Griffiths scored two goals over the two ties. Scoring three times at home should have been sufficient to take us through. The failure for that didn't lie directly with Lawwell or the board - it was the fault of Ronny Deila and his players. But then the manager was recruited by Lawwell and the players were scouted by his system. The blame must eventually be traced back to him. One thing is for sure - we absolutely cannot afford to make the same mistake three summers on the trot. Some way, some how Lawwell and Deila between them must make sure we are in the group stages next year because we have no one left to sell in order to fill the shortfall.
A decent striker would've made a difference away from home.
Just look at the difference Rosenberg made in the 2nd Leg for an easy answer, we don't have a player of that quality.
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If mulgrew makes the starting 11 or comes on from the bench on a saturday, he earns £17k pw. Heard this from someone who knows him well.

If he does get a new deal i sincerely hope that salary is slashed significantly.
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Would a striker have made a difference against Malmo? Griffiths scored two goals over the two ties. Scoring three times at home should have been sufficient to take us through. The failure for that didn't lie directly with Lawwell or the board - it was the fault of Ronny Deila and his players. But then the manager was recruited by Lawwell and the players were scouted by his system. The blame must eventually be traced back to him. One thing is for sure - we absolutely cannot afford to make the same mistake three summers on the trot. Some way, some how Lawwell and Deila between them must make sure we are in the group stages next year because we have no one left to sell in order to fill the shortfall.
A decent striker would've made a difference away from home.
Just look at the difference Rosenberg made in the 2nd Leg for an easy answer, we don't have a player of that quality.
The real difference was our complete inability to defend corners.
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Just look at the difference Rosenberg made in the 2nd Leg for an easy answer, we don't have a player of that quality.
The real difference was our complete inability to defend corners.
As an attacking threat, malmo were dangerous in more ways than just corners. Rosenberg ran us ragged and on another night could have been 4 or 5. Although its foley to say one player makes ALL the difference, a good centre forward helps the team no end (defensively and going forward)
Edited by Gerinho, 2 Sep 2015, 08:49 PM.
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The corner debacle was in part down to the players not performing duties that they are more than familiar with. Where the manager is at fault is for chopping and changing the defence so there was a lack of familiarity between players and not knowing their defensive duties. The latter could be down to players switching off as well, but by and large the point remains. We also clearly lack a physical presence throughout the side which didn't help, with our tallest players all failing to match Malmo's physical approach at times during the match, mainly for the goals we lost. And that includes Virgil.

As far as striking options go - I personally don't like starting a poacher like Griffiths up front in such games, as unless we are going for it from the off and creating chances for him (and relying on him scoring), then we are basically risking a loss of possession, losing our defensive shape and being caught on the counter. Hooper was similar in that respect in European games. We lack a player who can hold the ball up and compete physically and give us an outlet high up the park.

While that is deviating slightly from the point of this thread, it points towards not investing even in the right types of player, let alone the required quality. Ciftci may or may not have physical presence, but over the few games he played in Europe, he gave us barely a glimmer of that type of player we need.

The talk about Mulgrew is also depressing. I know that he is someone who knows the club and offers 'experience'. But he's simply not quick, strong or good enough to play at a high tempo. He was decent in a number of positions at one point, but as a squad player, not a starter. Commons to a lesser extent is in a similar boat, though has improved his physical attributes and has more quality.

Aside from them, we have Brown, Gordon, Ambrose and Izaguirre as our 'experienced' players. With only two of them being reliable and classed as 'leaders'. We shouldn't be relying on the likes of Mulgrew to offer experience in the squad. Yet with yet again an inexperienced squad moving forwards, it looks like we will be until January at least.
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The real difference was our complete inability to defend corners.
As an attacking threat, malmo were dangerous in more ways than just corners. Rosenberg ran us ragged and on another night could have been 4 or 5. Although its foley to say one player makes ALL the difference, a good centre forward helps the team no end (defensively and going forward)
Of course a good centre forward helps the team. A good goalie helps the team, a good centre half helps the team, a good winger helps the team...

Malmo may have been dangerous in more ways than corners. And yet, three of the four goals we lost against them came direct from corners. That is the chief reason we are out. Not Griffiths' performance. We could have had Rosenborg or Gary Hooper or Michu or Luis Suarez up front and losing three goals directly from corners would still have been a catastrophe.

In a tie in which our centre forward scored two goals, the performance of our strikers was somewhat down the list of "things that went wrong" against Malmo.

Should we have a better collection of strikers? Definitely.

Would having a player like Rosenborg have helped us to some extent against Malmo? Possibly.

Would another striker have "made a difference" against Malmo? Probably not, given that our striker scored twice and we conceded three goals directly from corners.
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As an attacking threat, malmo were dangerous in more ways than just corners. Rosenberg ran us ragged and on another night could have been 4 or 5. Although its foley to say one player makes ALL the difference, a good centre forward helps the team no end (defensively and going forward)
Of course a good centre forward helps the team. A good goalie helps the team, a good centre half helps the team, a good winger helps the team...

Malmo may have been dangerous in more ways than corners. And yet, three of the four goals we lost against them came direct from corners. That is the chief reason we are out. Not Griffiths' performance. We could have had Rosenborg or Gary Hooper or Michu or Luis Suarez up front and losing three goals directly from corners would still have been a catastrophe.

In a tie in which our centre forward scored two goals, the performance of our strikers was somewhat down the list of "things that went wrong" against Malmo.

Should we have a better collection of strikers? Definitely.

Would having a player like Rosenborg have helped us to some extent against Malmo? Possibly.

Would another striker have "made a difference" against Malmo? Probably not, given that our striker scored twice and we conceded three goals directly from corners.
Or maybe a taller, better striker would have been more effective in defending set-pieces in the way Samaras was :ph43r:
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Would a striker have made a difference against Malmo? Griffiths scored two goals over the two ties. Scoring three times at home should have been sufficient to take us through. The failure for that didn't lie directly with Lawwell or the board - it was the fault of Ronny Deila and his players. But then the manager was recruited by Lawwell and the players were scouted by his system. The blame must eventually be traced back to him. One thing is for sure - we absolutely cannot afford to make the same mistake three summers on the trot. Some way, some how Lawwell and Deila between them must make sure we are in the group stages next year because we have no one left to sell in order to fill the shortfall.
A decent striker would've made a difference away from home.
Just look at the difference Rosenberg made in the 2nd Leg for an easy answer, we don't have a player of that quality.
Because he's not our 'type'. We wouldn't consider anyone without sell on value.
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mulgrew said last week his agent had held talks about a new deal

not surprisingly he wants to stay
What if he gets offered a lot less money like others were?
Was Commons offered less money?
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