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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,842 Views)
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antbhoy
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2 Sep 2015, 12:02 PM
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I'm sick to the back teeth of this. If getting some decent competition and some drive back into Celtic requires them back up in the league I can't effing wait for it.
This stasis bullshampoo with half full park, pish signings , ultra austerity is driving me completely mental.
The club has been run in accordance of what has/is happening with them. It was obvious they would always have to, to a certain extent but for me this window has made it more clear just how much we are running our own affairs on what is happening over there. The board are banking on them coming up next season, they've slashed the squad, cutting costs, whilst banking transfer fees (most of which will only go to cover the lack of European income this season). They're happy for us just to win the league by a few games whilst they aren't in the league. If/when they do get promotion this season we'll no doubt splash more cash than we have recently next summer. It is why we have slashed the squad so savagely this summer IMO and the board will make some dig at the difference in how much we are spending compared to them, we'll have a good old chuckle at them and what they've done to the club for the past few seasons will all be forgotten. Because lol look at them zombies and their no money. If we need that lot in the league in order to show some ambition then I'm the same, I can't wait. If that is a case then it is an utter disgarce dictating a strategy like that. We could have tried to invest a wee bit and guarantee the CL pot and it would not matter if huns are there or not.
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2 Sep 2015, 12:13 PM
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You almost get the feeling that when we take these players from Man City/Man Utd it's to make us feel relevant, its like the board saying 'these guys play in the EPL and want to play for Celtic, we're still a big fish'
Get tae eff
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2 Sep 2015, 12:19 PM
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david murray had the daily record etc
Peter Lawwell has CQN and a few choice media folk.
CQN reads like 90s daily record back pages these days.
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Franakamura
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2 Sep 2015, 12:39 PM
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Another window......short changed again, sick of it.
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2 Sep 2015, 12:43 PM
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- antbhoy
- 2 Sep 2015, 12:02 PM
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- 2 Sep 2015, 11:55 AM
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- 2 Sep 2015, 11:24 AM
I'm sick to the back teeth of this. If getting some decent competition and some drive back into Celtic requires them back up in the league I can't effing wait for it.
This stasis bullshampoo with half full park, pish signings , ultra austerity is driving me completely mental.
The club has been run in accordance of what has/is happening with them. It was obvious they would always have to, to a certain extent but for me this window has made it more clear just how much we are running our own affairs on what is happening over there. The board are banking on them coming up next season, they've slashed the squad, cutting costs, whilst banking transfer fees (most of which will only go to cover the lack of European income this season). They're happy for us just to win the league by a few games whilst they aren't in the league. If/when they do get promotion this season we'll no doubt splash more cash than we have recently next summer. It is why we have slashed the squad so savagely this summer IMO and the board will make some dig at the difference in how much we are spending compared to them, we'll have a good old chuckle at them and what they've done to the club for the past few seasons will all be forgotten. Because lol look at them zombies and their no money. If we need that lot in the league in order to show some ambition then I'm the same, I can't wait.
If that is a case then it is an utter disgarce dictating a strategy like that. We could have tried to invest a wee bit and guarantee the CL pot and it would not matter if huns are there or not. TBF I don't think our current signing strategy would be all that different even if Zombie FC were in the top flight or another club had stepped up to offer us a real challenge in the league.
The key issue is that in England transfer prices are rocketing because of the money Sky are chucking at them and that is having an impact on the prices we're having to pay for players too. Unfortunately though we're excluded from the TV money feeding frenzy so the net result is that the cost of signing players is going up while our income potential remains static (at best)....the standard of player that would improve our squad may have cost £2million transfer fee and £12k a week wages a couple of years back....but now you're probably talking about the best part of £5million fee and £18k per week to convince the same quality of player that we're an option for them.
And yes, before anyone says it, qualifying for the CL over the last couple of years would help to boost our income by £10 to £20million per season (depending on who's made-up figures we're going with this week), but that's only going to fund a couple of big-ish transfer fees and wage packages....and could be disastrous for us if we splash the cash and still fail to get through.
Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation.
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Joseph D. Pistone
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2 Sep 2015, 12:51 PM
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- Estadio nacional
- 2 Sep 2015, 12:19 PM
david murray had the daily record etc
Peter Lawwell has CQN and a few choice media folk.
CQN reads like 90s daily record back pages these days. Is it still Paul who does all the 'CQN Magazine' articles, or someone else? It's grim stuff.
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2 Sep 2015, 12:51 PM
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If that is a case then it is an utter disgarce dictating a strategy like that. We could have tried to invest a wee bit and guarantee the CL pot and it would not matter if huns are there or not.
TBF I don't think our current signing strategy would be all that different even if Zombie FC were in the top flight or another club had stepped up to offer us a real challenge in the league. The key issue is that in England transfer prices are rocketing because of the money Sky are chucking at them and that is having an impact on the prices we're having to pay for players too. Unfortunately though we're excluded from the TV money feeding frenzy so the net result is that the cost of signing players is going up while our income potential remains static (at best)....the standard of player that would improve our squad may have cost £2million transfer fee and £12k a week wages a couple of years back....but now you're probably talking about the best part of £5million fee and £18k per week to convince the same quality of player that we're an option for them. And yes, before anyone says it, qualifying for the CL over the last couple of years would help to boost our income by £10 to £20million per season (depending on who's made-up figures we're going with this week), but that's only going to fund a couple of big-ish transfer fees and wage packages.... and could be disastrous for us if we splash the cash and still fail to get through.Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation. We'd have a transfer window 4 months later. We'd be able to offload players during that.
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remy mcswain
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2 Sep 2015, 12:53 PM
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What is Mulgrew's contract position?
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2 Sep 2015, 01:04 PM
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- remy mcswain
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What is Mulgrew's contract position?
Changed my mind. Poor taste
Edited by Flawless, 2 Sep 2015, 01:05 PM.
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Estadio nacional
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2 Sep 2015, 01:08 PM
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- Estadio nacional
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david murray had the daily record etc
Peter Lawwell has CQN and a few choice media folk.
CQN reads like 90s daily record back pages these days.
Is it still Paul who does all the 'CQN Magazine' articles, or someone else? It's grim stuff. Someone else. Another old firm fan.
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antbhoy
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2 Sep 2015, 01:12 PM
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- remy mcswain
- 2 Sep 2015, 12:53 PM
What is Mulgrew's contract position? In what sense, length the content within it?
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murphio
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2 Sep 2015, 01:22 PM
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- 2 Sep 2015, 12:43 PM
Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation. The amount Celtic could afford to spend this summer without the revenue from Champions League football was hampered by a catalogue of failed signings. We have a guy earning close to £1m per year in Derk Boerigter who has all but retired from football. Balde, Bangura, Pukki, Scepovic - all failures who between them cost the club millions. It is our absolute insistence in shopping in certain price ranges - documented last week by the club scout - which has resulted in this waste. The chances of finding a striker of any kind of quality in that price bracket is remote. We'd have been better off pushing the boat out to keep Gary Hooper but instead Peter Lawwell decided it was preferable to cash in for £5m. In the interim period we have spent the majority of the money on Ciftci and Scepovic. It is completely self defeating. The buck has to stop with Peter Lawwell - it's his scouting structure finding the players and his management team putting them on the pitch. It's just not good enough, simple as that.
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2 Sep 2015, 01:22 PM
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What is Mulgrew's contract position?
Changed my mind. Poor taste That just intrigues me now, I read on hoping someone had quoted you to find out what was so distasteful.
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2 Sep 2015, 01:24 PM
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Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation.
The amount Celtic could afford to spend this summer without the revenue from Champions League football was hampered by a catalogue of failed signings. We have a guy earning close to £1m per year in Derk Boerigter who has all but retired from football. Balde, Bangura, Pukki, Scepovic - all failures who between them cost the club millions. It is our absolute insistence in shopping in certain price ranges - documented last week by the club scout - which has resulted in this waste. The chances of finding a striker of any kind of quality in that price bracket is remote. We'd have been better off pushing the boat out to keep Gary Hooper but instead Peter Lawwell decided it was preferable to cash in for £5m. In the interim period we have spent the majority of the money on Ciftci and Scepovic. It is completely self defeating. The buck has to stop with Peter Lawwell - it's his scouting structure finding the players and his management team putting them on the pitch. It's just not good enough, simple as that. Spot on.
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2 Sep 2015, 01:39 PM
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- remy mcswain
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What is Mulgrew's contract position? In breach of the trades description act. Apparently the word footballer is quoted.
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are you here for the game boys
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2 Sep 2015, 01:43 PM
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Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation.
The amount Celtic could afford to spend this summer without the revenue from Champions League football was hampered by a catalogue of failed signings. We have a guy earning close to £1m per year in Derk Boerigter who has all but retired from football. Balde, Bangura, Pukki, Scepovic - all failures who between them cost the club millions. It is our absolute insistence in shopping in certain price ranges - documented last week by the club scout - which has resulted in this waste. The chances of finding a striker of any kind of quality in that price bracket is remote. We'd have been better off pushing the boat out to keep Gary Hooper but instead Peter Lawwell decided it was preferable to cash in for £5m. In the interim period we have spent the majority of the money on Ciftci and Scepovic. It is completely self defeating. The buck has to stop with Peter Lawwell - it's his scouting structure finding the players and his management team putting them on the pitch. It's just not good enough, simple as that.
Spot on. Agree with all of that.
If the stories regarding the differential between what Hooper was asking for and what we were prepared to offer are true then it was a monumental balls up to let him go, He has never been adequately replaced while at the same time we have squandered millions on a succession of diddies to replace him.
Not acceptable.
As an aside (and off-topic I know) you also have to wonder just what our scouts ere identifying in these players as being worthwhile to pursue when it was clear to most of us when we first saw them that they were on the whole gash.
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2 Sep 2015, 02:53 PM
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If that is a case then it is an utter disgarce dictating a strategy like that. We could have tried to invest a wee bit and guarantee the CL pot and it would not matter if huns are there or not.
TBF I don't think our current signing strategy would be all that different even if Zombie FC were in the top flight or another club had stepped up to offer us a real challenge in the league. The key issue is that in England transfer prices are rocketing because of the money Sky are chucking at them and that is having an impact on the prices we're having to pay for players too. Unfortunately though we're excluded from the TV money feeding frenzy so the net result is that the cost of signing players is going up while our income potential remains static (at best)....the standard of player that would improve our squad may have cost £2million transfer fee and £12k a week wages a couple of years back....but now you're probably talking about the best part of £5million fee and £18k per week to convince the same quality of player that we're an option for them. And yes, before anyone says it, qualifying for the CL over the last couple of years would help to boost our income by £10 to £20million per season (depending on who's made-up figures we're going with this week), but that's only going to fund a couple of big-ish transfer fees and wage packages....and could be disastrous for us if we splash the cash and still fail to get through. Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation. We started downsizing after MON left because we were £20m in debt.Now we have no debt it certainly wouldn't be disastrous if we had bought a £5m striker before the malmo game and not qualified for the CL.For a business our size a £5m debt is perfectly servicable and we knew we were going to get £10m plus for VVD anyway.To me its disasterous to not qualify for the CL because of lack of investment.The figures for the CL aren't made up.You get £10m for qualifying then you have your ticket sales for 3 games which for us would be about £6m then you get a share of the TV money which I think for us is £2m then if you get 3 points that would take you up to the £20m.
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2 Sep 2015, 02:59 PM
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TBF I don't think our current signing strategy would be all that different even if Zombie FC were in the top flight or another club had stepped up to offer us a real challenge in the league. The key issue is that in England transfer prices are rocketing because of the money Sky are chucking at them and that is having an impact on the prices we're having to pay for players too. Unfortunately though we're excluded from the TV money feeding frenzy so the net result is that the cost of signing players is going up while our income potential remains static (at best)....the standard of player that would improve our squad may have cost £2million transfer fee and £12k a week wages a couple of years back....but now you're probably talking about the best part of £5million fee and £18k per week to convince the same quality of player that we're an option for them. And yes, before anyone says it, qualifying for the CL over the last couple of years would help to boost our income by £10 to £20million per season (depending on who's made-up figures we're going with this week), but that's only going to fund a couple of big-ish transfer fees and wage packages....and could be disastrous for us if we splash the cash and still fail to get through. Like it or not, in every business there's a risk/reward assessment to be made on how much they spend chasing extra income.....our board have clearly come down on the side of setting their budget for the income that can be guaranteed (more or less) rather than taking a punt on spending more on players to chase CL participation.
We started downsizing after MON left because we were £20m in debt.Now we have no debt it certainly wouldn't be disastrous if we had bought a £5m striker before the malmo game and not qualified for the CL.For a business our size a £5m debt is perfectly servicable and we knew we were going to get £10m plus for VVD anyway.To me its disasterous to not qualify for the CL because of lack of investment.The figures for the CL aren't made up.You get £10m for qualifying then you have your ticket sales for 3 games which for us would be about £6m then you get a share of the TV money which I think for us is £2m then if you get 3 points that would take you up to the £20m. It's about £8m for the group stages (€12m). The market pool for Scotland is about £9m. It's €1.5m for a win and €500k for a draw. Then there's tickets on top of that. You'd easily top £20m just by turning up.
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2 Sep 2015, 03:09 PM
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Would a striker have made a difference against Malmo? Griffiths scored two goals over the two ties. Scoring three times at home should have been sufficient to take us through. The failure for that didn't lie directly with Lawwell or the board - it was the fault of Ronny Deila and his players. But then the manager was recruited by Lawwell and the players were scouted by his system. The blame must eventually be traced back to him. One thing is for sure - we absolutely cannot afford to make the same mistake three summers on the trot. Some way, some how Lawwell and Deila between them must make sure we are in the group stages next year because we have no one left to sell in order to fill the shortfall.
Edited by murphio, 2 Sep 2015, 03:09 PM.
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antbhoy
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2 Sep 2015, 03:14 PM
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We started downsizing after MON left because we were £20m in debt.Now we have no debt it certainly wouldn't be disastrous if we had bought a £5m striker before the malmo game and not qualified for the CL.For a business our size a £5m debt is perfectly servicable and we knew we were going to get £10m plus for VVD anyway.To me its disasterous to not qualify for the CL because of lack of investment.The figures for the CL aren't made up.You get £10m for qualifying then you have your ticket sales for 3 games which for us would be about £6m then you get a share of the TV money which I think for us is £2m then if you get 3 points that would take you up to the £20m.
It's about £8m for the group stages (€12m). The market pool for Scotland is about £9m. It's €1.5m for a win and €500k for a draw. Then there's tickets on top of that. You'd easily top £20m just by turning up. Aye but remember we get our transfer fees in, in instalments and when we pay them out we pay the full whack this is the obvious reason we cannot strengthen.
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