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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,843 Views)
murphio
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The model of buy low, sell high should be so that any profit made on the sale of players is reinvested back into the team. For two summers on the trot the money generated from selling our best player will be used to essentially fill the hole left by our failure to qualify for the Champions League. This is totally self defeating and can only lead to a continual downward spiral in quality which will in turn lead to an even greater slump in ticket sales. There is a malaise about the club and fresh ideas are needed to arrest it sharpish.
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bubba
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Getting on a bit
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remy mcswain
2 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
Isn't it worse then that we will have to sell several players to make up the shortfall for our next feck up

Bitton for £5m, erm, 4 others for £2m each? Or 8 others for £1m apiece
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Otis B Driftwood
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murphio
2 Sep 2015, 09:26 AM
Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 08:27 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 07:44 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepreductio ad absurdem
So -just to be clear - you think it's all Lawwell's fault, and his alone? Clearly, the board disagree with your take on his performance in his role.
No, the failure is collective; the board provide a basic framework which requires the club to be run within its means. The scouting team, the management structure etc has been put in place by Lawwell and its failure is ultimately his responsibility. No one is suggesting we spend money we don't have; the problem is how we spend the money we do have.
We agree. :thumbsup:
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bubba
2 Sep 2015, 11:00 AM
remy mcswain
2 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
Isn't it worse then that we will have to sell several players to make up the shortfall for our next feck up

Bitton for £5m, erm, 4 others for £2m each? Or 8 others for £1m apiece
We don't know who is going to be worth what in a years time.

In 12/24 months we will probably have Championship clubs trying to take our better players off us for £10m at a time.

The new TV deal is a game changer.
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The statement irks most obviously because it is so reminiscent of the rhetoric that comes out of our club on a biannual basis. 'The Market isn't good'; 'We asked some players to come and they didn't want to'; 'We didn't want to break our wage structure'. Most galling of all, however, is Lawwell's constant insistence that we can make 'blue chip' signings if we want to, and yet our equally constant refusal to do so.

This behaviour is always rhetorically cloaked by the declaration that the 'real value' is to be found in the next transfer window--be that January or the Summer--when the market will have 'settled'. The reality is that Celtic are only interested in winning league titles at the minute. We could win a treble this year quite comfortably (we should have last year) and the season will still be a failure in footballing terms because we have undeniably weakened our team to the point where even EPL misfits are out of our 'wage structure'.

Even under Lennon, we had success with markets like South America, Belgium, Holland and Scandinavia. Yes, there were some major failures too, but the idea that we now have to look primarily in the Scottish Championship/Premier League, or EPL development squads, for talent is just not going to pan out well for us or for the marketability of Celtic and Scottish Football in general.

We are sleepwalking into Five-in-a-row and it's being dressed up as a huge achievement. Deila said during the week that 'smart' people will start 'judging [him] only on results." The reality here is that they want us to judge them on results in Scotland but some abstracted notion of 'progress' or 'performance' in Europe. You can't effing have it both ways.
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bubba
2 Sep 2015, 11:00 AM
remy mcswain
2 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
Isn't it worse then that we will have to sell several players to make up the shortfall for our next feck up

Bitton for £5m, erm, 4 others for £2m each? Or 8 others for £1m apiece
2 furra £.
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MBhoy1888
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murphio
2 Sep 2015, 10:55 AM
The model of buy low, sell high should be so that any profit made on the sale of players is reinvested back into the team. For two summers on the trot the money generated from selling our best player will be used to essentially fill the hole left by our failure to qualify for the Champions League. This is totally self defeating and can only lead to a continual downward spiral in quality which will in turn lead to an even greater slump in ticket sales. There is a malaise about the club and fresh ideas are needed to arrest it sharpish.
In all fairness it seems to be the case that we did everything we could to keep Virgil here but he wanted to go.
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I'm sick to the back teeth of this. If getting some decent competition and some drive back into Celtic requires them back up in the league I can't effing wait for it.

This stasis bullshampoo with half full park, pish signings , ultra austerity is driving me completely mental.

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Bang on queue CQN have an article up highlighting the £40m profit Celtic have made on transfers in recent seasons.
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tinsoldier
2 Sep 2015, 11:31 AM
Bang on queue CQN have an article up highlighting the £40m profit Celtic have made on transfers in recent seasons.
No idea why anyone reads that site. They'd have had us signing Prosinecki and doing features about how Berlusconi was driven to create a team of AC Milan legends after watching the Lisbon Lions.

Podium etc.
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tinsoldier
2 Sep 2015, 11:31 AM
Bang on queue CQN have an article up highlighting the £40m profit Celtic have made on transfers in recent seasons.
Plonkers the lot.

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tinsoldier
2 Sep 2015, 11:31 AM
Bang on queue CQN have an article up highlighting the £40m profit Celtic have made on transfers in recent seasons.
:lol: eff off
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The day after that farce of a transfer window and the club's official account is tweeting pictures of actor and Ross Gellar lookalike Gianni Capaldi on a visit to CP. Comical stuff.
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The board seem to be sacrificing success on the park for success on the balance sheet.

Surely success on the park aids the balance sheet?
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Flawless
2 Sep 2015, 11:24 AM
I'm sick to the back teeth of this. If getting some decent competition and some drive back into Celtic requires them back up in the league I can't effing wait for it.

This stasis bullshampoo with half full park, pish signings , ultra austerity is driving me completely mental.

The club has been run in accordance of what has/is happening with them. It was obvious they would always have to, to a certain extent but for me this window has made it more clear just how much we are running our own affairs on what is happening over there.

The board are banking on them coming up next season, they've slashed the squad, cutting costs, whilst banking transfer fees (most of which will only go to cover the lack of European income this season). They're happy for us just to win the league by a few games whilst they aren't in the league.

If/when they do get promotion this season we'll no doubt splash more cash than we have recently next summer. It is why we have slashed the squad so savagely this summer IMO and the board will make some dig at the difference in how much we are spending compared to them, we'll have a good old chuckle at them and what they've done to the club for the past few seasons will all be forgotten. Because lol look at them zombies and their no money.

If we need that lot in the league in order to show some ambition then I'm the same, I can't wait. :nono:
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2 Sep 2015, 11:46 AM
The day after that farce of a transfer window and the club's official account is tweeting pictures of actor and Ross Gellar lookalike Gianni Capaldi on a visit to CP. Comical stuff.
They really don't give a eff about the support or whoever is doing the tweeting is the ultimate trolling shampooe.

I really thought this thread would've jumped at least 20 pages after the window closed. Are people that apathetic now that we just can't be bothered questioning the strategy or where we are going as a football club. The most important people are the fans being the lifeblood and that but are treated with utter contempt by the board.

Their output after last night was shocking and it appears they've nudged their mouthpiece over at podium towers to put out some shampooe.
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Flawless
2 Sep 2015, 11:39 AM
tinsoldier
2 Sep 2015, 11:31 AM
Bang on queue CQN have an article up highlighting the £40m profit Celtic have made on transfers in recent seasons.
Plonkers the lot.

Self aggrandizing plonkers the lot you mean
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Maybe someone can give me an example of a club that has spent serious money and thrived on it, without being given unlimited funds by a rich owner. There's no lack of Scottish clubs that have spent money they didn't have, and look where it has got them. Celtic are on a different level to every other club in the land precisely because of the financial management. Anywhere, there are numerous examples of clubs that have near ruined themselves on a speculate to accumulate policy.

But I'd hope that most of us accept that frustration with the board does not stem from level of expenditure anyway. We're just not being smart enough with our investments. The lack of an additional striker does suggest some reluctance to go and get someone just for the sake of it. We do seem to be getting or fingers burnt continually with some awful duds, with Scepovic the latest in a long undistinguished line.

However, while the equivalent of a Sutton or Hartson is now beyond our reach, I would ask why we can't at least track down a Zurawski type. He was only a one season hit, but he scored enough to pay his way, and for less than a million, all we need to look for is an additional poacher. There is definitely a fixation with youth, which for the most part is a good thing for us - we do seem pretty good at finding decent prospects. However, youth tends to be position biased, since a precocious youth will tend to be a central defender, attacking midfielder or winger. This isn't accidental, because becoming a clinical finisher is often an acquired skill (so many strikers start out as midfielders and wingers). You are not going to get a project striker.
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tinsoldier
2 Sep 2015, 11:31 AM
Bang on queue CQN have an article up highlighting the £40m profit Celtic have made on transfers in recent seasons.
I can actually see Pistol Pete writing that as he throws custard Cremes at an obedient Paul Brennan.

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murphio
2 Sep 2015, 07:44 AM
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2 Sep 2015, 01:45 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 01:23 AM

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You seem to fail to understand how governance works - either that, or your are indulging in reductio ad absurdem in attempt to diminish what I said: yes, Lawwell will have an input, but the bottom line is that the board will set spending priorities. There is also the small matter of the £100 reduction in season book prices: that isn't going to affect income streams at all. Tell you what, let's spunk millions on a load of players with extravagant wage demands in the hope that we can qualify for the CL every season... that worked well the last time it was tried by a Scottish club... didnt it?
I understand it just fine so you can ram your condescension up your jacksie. The notion Peter Lawwell is the highest earner at the club for being nothing more than an administrator, doing Dermot Desmond's bidding, is risible. As CEO - and de facto Director of Football - he is ultimately responsible for the loss of millions of pounds in revenue - income that had to be plugged by selling the family silver season after season. Everything is in steady decline and the only thing this man knows is to continue with the same, failed policy - he is a one trick pony. But still, the hun will be back next year and he stick £100 back onto the price of a season book - that will solve all his problems. :lol:
The point is that if the Board had a problem with how PL does things he wouldn't still be doing them. PL is not the only one whose position needs looked at.
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