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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,845 Views)
beaumontbhoy
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Stringer Bell
2 Sep 2015, 08:09 AM
beaumontbhoy
2 Sep 2015, 08:04 AM
i, as a whole have been supportive of the board even getting grief on here for doing so. i believe that celtic needs to be well run and costs kept under control. that said i think it is a disgrace our plan to buy a striker seems to be wait for the transfer window to close in england and look for scraps. we scouted jozo and obtained him. why did we not have a list of strikers at start of window and obtain them. yes losing out of cl was a blow but surely the list could have contained affordable players for that situation instead of looking for scraps. no one excepts a 10m player but surely a 3m striker identified months ago is not too much from a so called professional club
We did identify a striker, and we went and got him.

The problem is, the boards expectations are completely out of kilter from the fans expectations.
whoever choose that striker then should not have a job in football ps i meant a decent striker :(
Edited by beaumontbhoy, 2 Sep 2015, 08:17 AM.
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Corky Buczek
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Whilst i don't think, player for player, they are better than us, the fact is our nearest rivals in Scotland - Aberdeen - are better than they were 4 months ago.

The sale of VVD, Matthews and Scepovic (the latter not being replaced) and the loss of Denayer means that we are significantly weaker.

An utter shambles of a window, yet again. As Sevilliano said, this window could come beck to haunt us. For this club to move forward Lawwell must go - but too many will continue to back him.

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Dr_Optimist
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What makes it all the more galling is that we've been daft enough to pay an extra £50 on the season ticket for an inferior product.

I can't wait for the board to increase he season ticket cost next year when Sevco come up, spend a bit of extra cash then peddle the line that we don't need a 'big' local rival to thrive on and off the park.

I wouldn't mind a different approach if we were bringing in unknown players and displaying a bit of imagination. That shouldnt include chasing last minute panic signings to kid on we are doing something.
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Otis B Driftwood
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murphio
2 Sep 2015, 07:44 AM
Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 01:45 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 01:23 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You seem to fail to understand how governance works - either that, or your are indulging in reductio ad absurdem in attempt to diminish what I said: yes, Lawwell will have an input, but the bottom line is that the board will set spending priorities. There is also the small matter of the £100 reduction in season book prices: that isn't going to affect income streams at all. Tell you what, let's spunk millions on a load of players with extravagant wage demands in the hope that we can qualify for the CL every season... that worked well the last time it was tried by a Scottish club... didnt it?
I understand it just fine so you can ram your condescension up your jacksie. The notion Peter Lawwell is the highest earner at the club for being nothing more than an administrator, doing Dermot Desmond's bidding, is risible. As CEO - and de facto Director of Football - he is ultimately responsible for the loss of millions of pounds in revenue - income that had to be plugged by selling the family silver season after season. Everything is in steady decline and the only thing this man knows is to continue with the same, failed policy - he is a one trick pony. But still, the hun will be back next year and he stick £100 back onto the price of a season book - that will solve all his problems. :lol:
So -just to be clear - you think it's all Lawwell's fault, and his alone? Clearly, the board disagree with your take on his performance in his role.
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ceannaboe
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we always need to be 2 or 3 steps ahead of the zombies bandwagon when it rolls in next season, and its not paranoia, its a statement of fact as has been proven over the years even when we had good teams

SPLOB - how much has he collected in bonuses with a +£40m balance sheet while the downsizing continues
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Antoninho
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Pedro isn't the only one that needs to eff off.
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OverAndOver
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Griffiths - Ciftci - Stokes

obviously the board are treating the europa league with contempt



think they are about to find out the fans will be doing the exact same
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remy mcswain
2 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
Now we will just be punting Bitton for 4million trying to fill the Europa league gap when we get put out the competition at the first or second stage.
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Carfin
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It's indefensible.

Supporters talking about Rangers' demise in relation to us spending some money are part of the reason why the board acts in the way it does.

Enough is enough.
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dazabhoy67
2 Sep 2015, 08:39 AM
remy mcswain
2 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
Now we will just be punting Bitton for 4million trying to fill the Europa league gap when we get put out the competition at the first or second stage.
Aye, he'll be the next to go I reckon. Probably about £6/7m.


By the way, I'd be effing ecstatic if we got through to the second stage of the EL.
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Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 12:47 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 12:08 AM
Otis B Driftwood
1 Sep 2015, 11:45 PM
People criticising Lawwell for the club's transfer strategy should remember that the board determines policy, not him (although he will advise of market conditions, etc.)... he is an employee, albeit one who is very well rewarded.
Could people please, please, please stop repeating this complete and utter pish that all Lawwell is doing for his £1m a year is following instruction. FFS the tea lady could do that. Where do you get this nonsense? Peter Lawwell is the CEO of the business and driver of this 'strategy'. That is what he is employed to do - run the business. Do you think Tesco shareholders sit at every board meeting and tell the CEO how they want their business run? In the not too distant past Dermot Desmond funded Martin O'Neill in buying Sutton, Thompson, Valgaeran, Lennon, Hartson, Balde etc. We were OK with massive wage deals for Craig Bellamy and Juninho who, at the time, were among the highest earners in Britain. The end of O'Neill saw the end of this policy. Smart guy Lawwell thought he had a different, more profitable way and installed himself as overseer. I honestly can't listen to any more of this nonsense - that joker is at the heart of this period of cost cutting. GTF Lawwell.
Compared to Tesco, Celtic is small beer; but in any organisation, the board determines policy, not the CEO. The board hires and fires the CEO, and reviews his performances... and will set bonus levels. Some on here seem to think he is Murrayesque in lining his pockets... do you honestly believe guys like Dermot Desmond would allow that to happen? If he is interfering in football matters, then that is a different discussion altogether.

FWIW, I believe the board are content to continue to follow the current fiscal approach.
Hires and fires the CEO? Be still my beating heart.
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Corky Buczek
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Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 08:27 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 07:44 AM
Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 01:45 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepreductio ad absurdem in attempt to diminish what I said: yes, Lawwell will have an input, but the bottom line is that the board will set spending priorities. There is also the small matter of the £100 reduction in season book prices: that isn't going to affect income streams at all. Tell you what, let's spunk millions on a load of players with extravagant wage demands in the hope that we can qualify for the CL every season... that worked well the last time it was tried by a Scottish club... didnt it?
I understand it just fine so you can ram your condescension up your jacksie. The notion Peter Lawwell is the highest earner at the club for being nothing more than an administrator, doing Dermot Desmond's bidding, is risible. As CEO - and de facto Director of Football - he is ultimately responsible for the loss of millions of pounds in revenue - income that had to be plugged by selling the family silver season after season. Everything is in steady decline and the only thing this man knows is to continue with the same, failed policy - he is a one trick pony. But still, the hun will be back next year and he stick £100 back onto the price of a season book - that will solve all his problems. :lol:
So -just to be clear - you think it's all Lawwell's fault, and his alone? Clearly, the board disagree with your take on his performance in his role.
The most important role in the boardroom is CEO. Lawwell is more culpable than any other director - hence his salary is three times the next best paid. Is it just him alone - No, the other directors have the power to intervene but don't.

However Lawwell is driving the current transfer strategy and is ridiculously overpaid for doing it. And its failing. If by Lawwell going, he were to take other directors with him, then fine. But we badly need a new CEO with fresh ideas, who is going to give the club and in particular its scouting system a much needed shake.
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Otis B Driftwood
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paulfg42
2 Sep 2015, 08:45 AM
Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 12:47 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 12:08 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Compared to Tesco, Celtic is small beer; but in any organisation, the board determines policy, not the CEO. The board hires and fires the CEO, and reviews his performances... and will set bonus levels. Some on here seem to think he is Murrayesque in lining his pockets... do you honestly believe guys like Dermot Desmond would allow that to happen? If he is interfering in football matters, then that is a different discussion altogether.

FWIW, I believe the board are content to continue to follow the current fiscal approach.
Hires and fires the CEO? Be still my beating heart.
:lol:
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Dapper Dan
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Looks like I picked the wrong time to buy a season ticket again.

It's all so utterly deflating.
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Completely forgot about the £50 bump this season :ffs:
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OverAndOver
2 Sep 2015, 08:38 AM
Griffiths - Ciftci - Stokes

obviously the board are treating the europa league with contempt



think they are about to find out the fans will be doing the exact same
Email last night.

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Guarantee your seat for UEFA Europa League with a Season Ticket

Following Friday’s UEFA Europa League draw, Celtic will face Dutch side, Ajax, Fenerbahce of Turkey and Molde from Norway over the coming months as the quest for European success continues.

The first match for the Hoops is away to Ajax on September 17 before Paradise prepares to host Fenerbahce on Thursday, October 1 with Robin Van Persie and Nani amongst their most recent big-name signings.

Nothing beats a night of European football at Celtic Park and a 2015/16 Season Ticket is the only way to guarantee your seat for all of the big games.

You’ll have a guaranteed right to buy for all the European matches at Celtic Park and with all home Ladbrokes Premiership games included, you can watch as the Bhoys go for more silverware on the domestic front too.



Buy your season ticket now for the guarenteed right to buy Europa League tickets. :clap: :clap:

To see the big money signings made by our opposition. :clap: :clap:


Thanks peter, good to know you are doing things like this for us. Most grateful.
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Estadio nacional
2 Sep 2015, 09:04 AM
OverAndOver
2 Sep 2015, 08:38 AM
Griffiths - Ciftci - Stokes

obviously the board are treating the europa league with contempt



think they are about to find out the fans will be doing the exact same
Email last night.

Quote:
 
Guarantee your seat for UEFA Europa League with a Season Ticket

Following Friday’s UEFA Europa League draw, Celtic will face Dutch side, Ajax, Fenerbahce of Turkey and Molde from Norway over the coming months as the quest for European success continues.

The first match for the Hoops is away to Ajax on September 17 before Paradise prepares to host Fenerbahce on Thursday, October 1 with Robin Van Persie and Nani amongst their most recent big-name signings.

Nothing beats a night of European football at Celtic Park and a 2015/16 Season Ticket is the only way to guarantee your seat for all of the big games.

You’ll have a guaranteed right to buy for all the European matches at Celtic Park and with all home Ladbrokes Premiership games included, you can watch as the Bhoys go for more silverware on the domestic front too.



Buy your season ticket now for the guarenteed right to buy Europa League tickets. :clap: :clap:

To see the big money signings made by our opposition. :clap: :clap:


Thanks peter, good to know you are doing things like this for us. Most grateful.
Sweet effing Jesus :lol:

Celtic really are clueless :ffs: :cuckoo:
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Ned Rise
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Not the first time I've said it and I doubt it'll be the last, but I wouldn't be surprised if this managed decline is designed to provoke a backlash so that our billionaire can wander off, telling us we're ungrateful and seeing how we get on with some less mentally stable rich owner.

Can't see any other reason for the 'policy' they employ. McCann had the 'build it and they will come' while the current board have a 'dismantle it and they will leave' outlook, and they're not the slightest bit bothered about it. Of course, the recession has hit loads of fans, and some might not fancy it because there's no huns, but the 'product' and 'matchday experience' has been in decline for a long time.

Celtic used to get home gates of 60,000 every fortnight. This season it will be about 40,000, and some of those will be ghost attendees, having bought their tickets and not turned up. But there's no denying that season book sales have collapsed, even if the official figure is as close to the truth as Kim Jong-un's golf scorecard. With ticket sales, food, lottery tickets, merchandise it wouldn't be outlandish to think we're about half a million down on each match day compared to the day Peter Lawwell walked in the door to 'get the debt down'.

Unless debt is genuinely going to jeopardise the future of the club, there's no reason that a club can't carry some. Operating in the way we do has been counter-productive. We have missed out on £40M in the last two years by taking chances. Unforgivable really. And while we should have had enough to see off Malmo or Maribor, the evidence of Legia and even from last season in Europe suggested we were far from being able to take these teams for granted. In both ties, we got what we deserved. Absolutely nothing.

There is no reason why the club can't invest in players before they sell other players. We knew VVD would go and within a margin of a couple of million we knew what we would receive for him. A decent striker and proven defenders could have been bought, gone through pre-season and up to speed with the way the manager wanted the team to play.

Anyway, no point on focusing on one game. This has been going on for years. I'm amazed that there are people who still think that things will get rectified in the next window, or we'll give such and such a player time to settle in. Some might up their game as Griffiths has done and fair play to him for that, other signings might turn out to develop into fine Celtic players, but we're like footballing freegans looking for something that will keep us going for a wee bit, while telling the world that this open packet of cold meat covered in yesterday's fish sauce and vegetable peelings is actually pretty decent fare.

Hopefully these transfers in settle quickly (we're only in September after all and have only been knocked out of one European competition so far) and our forward line miraculously becomes more than the some of its parts and the defence, with the addition of a promising yet error-prone centre half (join the queue) needs to gel in a way that prevents humiliation in Europe's lesser competition. If it doesn't, we'll be looking for a new manager with another vision, another way of playing, and another 'season of transition', which is basically every season now that we aggressively pursue a policy to sell, sell, sell any player who has the merest whiff of cash about him.
Edited by Ned Rise, 2 Sep 2015, 09:16 AM.
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Surely social media is our only route to let them know our feelings?
I don't want to stop supporting the team on the park but I don't like being taken for a mug either
Constantly bombarding their social media outlets to crashing point will at least get them to notice we're still here
Maybe Cartuja or the like could come up with a nice wee photoshop that we could constantly bombard them with?
Just a thought
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We have signed 8 new players & somehow we have come out of this window weaker.

Someone at the club must have a lot of faith in Cifcti. He will most likely lead the line in The Europa. I'm not writing him off but there is no reason whatsoever we couldn't have brought in a quality forward.

I feel for Ronny. He has not been properly backed.
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