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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,846 Views)
MBhoy1888
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JonnyB67
2 Sep 2015, 06:49 AM
Out of interest do people actually think there will be change and what can be done?

Season tickets have been bought. Not buy EL tickets? Will that actually make a difference. My fear is that the international week has came at a good time for the board. Beat Aberdeen in a couple of weeks and people might start to let this go.
Doubtful, unless there is an organised movement ala 'celts for change', then protest will mostly be confined to low attedances in the league and EL, which can be easily put down to the lack of domestic challenge or respect for the competition. I think something much more drastic would need to happen for there to be actual organised protest against the board.
Edited by MBhoy1888, 2 Sep 2015, 07:01 AM.
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The amount of empty seats and the lack of Champions League money are two major issues that the board don't seem to want to address. In football you need to speculate to accumulate but our board feel a perverse need to penny pinch and hope everything turns out for the best.

Ultimately we are paying our Chief Exec a higher wage than the majority of our players. This is despite the fact our turnover is nowhere near what it could be. We're rewarding failure in the boardroom whilst refusing to fund success on the pitch.
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Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 01:45 AM
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Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 12:47 AM
ompared to Tesco, Celtic is small beer; but in any organisation, the board determines policy, not the CEO.
No they don't - utter rubbish. The CEO is answerable to the board but that person is paid to come up with a strategy to make the business profitable first and foremost and sustainable in the long term. Lawwell may be achieving the former but not the latter. This nonsense that poor Peter is being paid £1m a year to simply dot the i's and cross the t's on a strategy for which he has no say is incredibly naive. Where does it come from? It is utter, utter bollocks. Celtic engaged on a u-turn in policy around 2005 and while other board members may have had an input into strategy - Lawwell has since taken on the responsibility with gusto. Since then we have arguably lost countless millions due to this individual.
You seem to fail to understand how governance works - either that, or your are indulging in reductio ad absurdem in attempt to diminish what I said: yes, Lawwell will have an input, but the bottom line is that the board will set spending priorities. There is also the small matter of the £100 reduction in season book prices: that isn't going to affect income streams at all. Tell you what, let's spunk millions on a load of players with extravagant wage demands in the hope that we can qualify for the CL every season... that worked well the last time it was tried by a Scottish club... didnt it?
The amount of millions we've wasted on players since we started downsizing maybe shows that the policy of buying so cheaply doesn't often work and is a false economy.Now we have no debt our business could sustain going into a wee bit of debt.Nobody is saying we should go massively into debt like the huns ,although unlike the huns the banks wouldn't allow us to do that anyway,but most fans realise that maybe going into say £5m in debt for the chance to get into the CL worth £20m is actually good business.Last year before we played Maribor we were crying out for a striker which we eventually bought after we got beaten by Maribor.Surely it would have made more since to buy a striker,or any other signing, before a game worth £20m not after?
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When's the effing AGM. :angry:
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Empty seats will get blamed on the death of the huns but can be explained by our team having a guy like Griffiths as our main striker. We don't have a hero or a player anywhere near being one. Scott Brown is our cult hero but is anyone really going to think they can't miss the game because Broony is playing?
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Wasn't expecting much but still can't believe we're going into the Europa League with Ciftci, Griffiths and Stokes.

Press release on the website announcing Simunovic is laughable. Ronny reading a script about how we've funds to strengthen in January. How about spending them now then rather than have our whole reason rest on Leigh Griffiths staying fit FFS?
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Gerinho
2 Sep 2015, 12:01 AM
Clueless in the boardroom...... To think the fans booed this statement
We've got plenty of fans who get all misty eyed at the suits and think they've "doing their best in trying circumstances".

Just check the likes of CQN and weep
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It's all a bit grim, and shows no signs of ever relenting.

Realistically, we'll win the league with what we have, a cup or two will be a bonus and we'll roll the dice next year to get into the CL. How much money would it take to 'guarantee' qualification out this EL group? That's an unanswerable question, and in financial reality, what's the point? The reality is, in Pedro's mind, there's not much point in spending money as it probably doesn't really alter the season's results. The reality in the supports mind, is the way we get to those results is of huge importance. There's no hero. Not even one. Griffiths is the best striker we have. When you actually let that sink it, it's truly depressing.

I don't expect Celtic to go back to the MON days and spunk money we don't have and I understand we are hamstrung by geography, both playing in a rotten league and also by being so close to England. What I do expect is for the CEO, DD, the PLC, the manager, everyone at the club, to be focused on putting the best possible team on the park that we can afford, regardless of whether or not it only makes the difference of 2 EL points and an extra 10 league points. That's their obligation. They're currently falling way way short of that.
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Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 01:45 AM
murphio
2 Sep 2015, 01:23 AM
Otis B Driftwood
2 Sep 2015, 12:47 AM
ompared to Tesco, Celtic is small beer; but in any organisation, the board determines policy, not the CEO.
No they don't - utter rubbish. The CEO is answerable to the board but that person is paid to come up with a strategy to make the business profitable first and foremost and sustainable in the long term. Lawwell may be achieving the former but not the latter. This nonsense that poor Peter is being paid £1m a year to simply dot the i's and cross the t's on a strategy for which he has no say is incredibly naive. Where does it come from? It is utter, utter bollocks. Celtic engaged on a u-turn in policy around 2005 and while other board members may have had an input into strategy - Lawwell has since taken on the responsibility with gusto. Since then we have arguably lost countless millions due to this individual.
You seem to fail to understand how governance works - either that, or your are indulging in reductio ad absurdem in attempt to diminish what I said: yes, Lawwell will have an input, but the bottom line is that the board will set spending priorities. There is also the small matter of the £100 reduction in season book prices: that isn't going to affect income streams at all. Tell you what, let's spunk millions on a load of players with extravagant wage demands in the hope that we can qualify for the CL every season... that worked well the last time it was tried by a Scottish club... didnt it?
I understand it just fine so you can ram your condescension up your jacksie. The notion Peter Lawwell is the highest earner at the club for being nothing more than an administrator, doing Dermot Desmond's bidding, is risible. As CEO - and de facto Director of Football - he is ultimately responsible for the loss of millions of pounds in revenue - income that had to be plugged by selling the family silver season after season. Everything is in steady decline and the only thing this man knows is to continue with the same, failed policy - he is a one trick pony. But still, the hun will be back next year and he stick £100 back onto the price of a season book - that will solve all his problems. :lol:
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At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
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I'd be happy if they didn't sign another 'striker' rather than perform their usual £1.5m-£2m pish up a wall but then I remembered Nadir Ciftci

It's clear the board don't give a feck about how we perform on the European stage out with CL qualification, this squad will still win the SPFL and in their eyes that's all they need to do to keep the fans happy.
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They don't have a strategy to address falling attendances, although the solution is obvious.

Buying good players = hugley reater chance of getting into CL = massive rise in income & status.

Said it before, but we have the only football club-owning billionaire on the planet who spends not a penny on his pet project.

Most of his ilk have to spend gazillions to try to get into the CL, and often fail. He has a clear run via the SPFL, but chooses not to.

Our billionaire owner has stunted the development of CFC for years now.

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Europa league will be a riddy now.
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remy mcswain
2 Sep 2015, 07:45 AM
At least we don't have anyone left to sell for really big money.
Correct. What happens if we get lapped out of the CL before the end of August next year. Who we gonna sell ? Peter's bonus might be in trouble !!. On second thoughts, we could finish in the bottom 6 and he'd still probably get it.
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i, as a whole have been supportive of the board even getting grief on here for doing so. i believe that celtic needs to be well run and costs kept under control. that said i think it is a disgrace our plan to buy a striker seems to be wait for the transfer window to close in england and look for scraps. we scouted jozo and obtained him. why did we not have a list of strikers at start of window and obtain them. yes losing out of cl was a blow but surely the list could have contained affordable players for that situation instead of looking for scraps. no one excepts a 10m player but surely a 3m striker identified months ago is not too much from a so called professional club
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gary1888
2 Sep 2015, 08:02 AM
Europa league will be a riddy now.
We're going to get pounded in all 6 games, aren't we?
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2 Sep 2015, 08:04 AM
i, as a whole have been supportive of the board even getting grief on here for doing so. i believe that celtic needs to be well run and costs kept under control. that said i think it is a disgrace our plan to buy a striker seems to be wait for the transfer window to close in england and look for scraps. we scouted jozo and obtained him. why did we not have a list of strikers at start of window and obtain them. yes losing out of cl was a blow but surely the list could have contained affordable players for that situation instead of looking for scraps. no one excepts a 10m player but surely a 3m striker identified months ago is not too much from a so called professional club
We did identify a striker, and we went and got him.

The problem is, the boards expectations are completely out of kilter from the fans expectations.
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Mickeybhoy84
2 Sep 2015, 07:00 AM
The amount of empty seats and the lack of Champions League money are two major issues that the board don't seem to want to address. In football you need to speculate to accumulate but our board feel a perverse need to penny pinch and hope everything turns out for the best.

Ultimately we are paying our Chief Exec a higher wage than the majority of our players. This is despite the fact our turnover is nowhere near what it could be. We're rewarding failure in the boardroom whilst refusing to fund success on the pitch.
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2 Sep 2015, 07:44 AM
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You seem to fail to understand how governance works - either that, or your are indulging in reductio ad absurdem in attempt to diminish what I said: yes, Lawwell will have an input, but the bottom line is that the board will set spending priorities. There is also the small matter of the £100 reduction in season book prices: that isn't going to affect income streams at all. Tell you what, let's spunk millions on a load of players with extravagant wage demands in the hope that we can qualify for the CL every season... that worked well the last time it was tried by a Scottish club... didnt it?
I understand it just fine so you can ram your condescension up your jacksie. The notion Peter Lawwell is the highest earner at the club for being nothing more than an administrator, doing Dermot Desmond's bidding, is risible. As CEO - and de facto Director of Football - he is ultimately responsible for the loss of millions of pounds in revenue - income that had to be plugged by selling the family silver season after season. Everything is in steady decline and the only thing this man knows is to continue with the same, failed policy - he is a one trick pony. But still, the hun will be back next year and he stick £100 back onto the price of a season book - that will solve all his problems. :lol:
Murray didn't just try to get into the CL but had the Celtic-induced inferiority complex of wanting to win it. On the other hand, just making up the numbers is good enough for us- we have long given up any ambition, in fact it was never there to begin with- but have failed against teams we should really do better against. The comparisons to the death of oldco are nonsensical.
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A few years ago I went to Sweden to watch Henrik play for Helsingborg against a pub-level village team in the Alsvenkskan.

The standard was awful. I mean really appalling.

Now Malmo are again in the CL, ahead of us this year. On a tiny budget they managed this.

What has happened over there that we need to learn from over here? I am 100% certain that Malmo's CE is not on £1m+pa for achieving success while our Beria, bristling with self-entitlement, presides over failure while pocketing that fortune, regardless of any KPIs.

Apart, that is, from making sure that our Comrade Stalin DD never has to put his hand in his pocket for us, as he did for the Tories. recently.
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